Can Someone Explain To Me That Dominion Can Prove Damages?

[Billings]

On 3/18/2023 at 10:23 PM, IanforHeisman said:

Isn’t it that way everywhere.. most big cities are pretty liberal, and the rural more conservative. Idaho always votes heavily republican, but Boise has elected a dem for mayor for quite awhile now.

Wyoming has had several Democratic governors. As had Montana.  They tend to be Blue Dog type candidates and more fiscally conservative.  Montana has a Democratic senator right now.  but overall yea rural is more GOP

[SAMO]

On 3/18/2023 at 11:24 PM, Billings said:

Wyoming has had several Democratic governors. As had Montana.  They tend to be Blue Dog type candidates and more fiscally conservative.  Montana has a Democratic senator right now.  but overall yea rural is more GOP

I drove around in a truck with Jim Geringer once…lol

great guy…lol

[Nevada Convert]

On 3/18/2023 at 10:23 PM, IanforHeisman said:

Isn’t it that way everywhere.. most big cities are pretty liberal, and the rural more conservative. Idaho always votes heavily republican, but Boise has elected a dem for mayor for quite awhile now.

Yeah, it is. California is run so far to the left that people tend to think it must be chock full of these people. The reality is it’s run that way because they always have the controlling majorities where it matters.

[grandjean87]

On 3/19/2023 at 12:30 AM, SAMO said:

I drove around in a truck with Jim Geringer once…lol

great guy…lol

What was he doing in Alphabet City?

[SAMO]

On 3/19/2023 at 10:03 AM, grandjean87 said:

What was he doing in Alphabet City?

i ran into him at shotgun willies in denver...lol

[grandjean87]

On 3/19/2023 at 11:33 AM, SAMO said:

i ran into him at shotgun willies in denver...lol

Loved that album.

(yer welcome fer the setup)

[WYO1016]

On 3/18/2023 at 7:38 AM, Nevada Convert said:

Almost doesn’t work. I’m not looking for emotional support for the cause, I’m curious to see objective facts. I’m not seeing any big losses. I’m not defending Fox at all, just being objective to predict who’s going to win/lose. The MWC Board tends to be tall on emotion and short on facts when it comes to homer lefty politics.  

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[happycamper]

On 3/19/2023 at 2:30 AM, SAMO said:

I drove around in a truck with Jim Geringer once…lol

great guy…lol

From everything I have heard Geringer is the last Wyo governor anyone would call a "great guy"

somehow better than Bebout though, lol

[grandjean87]

Idaho had a 24 year run of Ds in the governorship 1971-1995.  1995 is as far away politically from today here as 1861. 

[Bob]

On 3/20/2023 at 9:35 AM, happycamper said:

From everything I have heard Geringer is the last Wyo governor anyone would call a "great guy"

somehow better than Bebout though, lol

I have met Bebout. Used to work on his (considerable) tax return. My boss was his campaign treasurer/manager.

[happycamper]

On 3/20/2023 at 11:43 AM, Bob said:

I have met Bebout. Used to work on his (considerable) tax return. My boss was his campaign treasurer/manager.

it's wyoming, half the state has met bebout. and that's why he lost in 2002. lol

[Billings]

On 3/20/2023 at 8:35 AM, happycamper said:

From everything I have heard Geringer is the last Wyo governor anyone would call a "great guy"

somehow better than Bebout though, lol

Sullivan was great.   He sat behind me at a Wyo football game once and was plastered with an old cowboy hat on.  NO security just one of the fans

[Billings]

On 3/18/2023 at 11:30 PM, SAMO said:

I drove around in a truck with Jim Geringer once…lol

great guy…lol

A name I have not heard in a long time.  throwback

[SalinasSpartan]

On 3/18/2023 at 8:48 PM, Nevada Convert said:

Yeah, I know what an intangible asset is and it’s role in a defamation case. Intangible assets are generally harder to valuate than tangible assets. Therefore, you need to show some significant monetary damages to be able to make the case that you also have intangible losses. With that, and very strong evidence of intent to defame, you can score some sweet punitive damages as punishment. But the foundation of any defamation case is the monetary damages and intent to defame, and you build it from there. 

No, I imagine the foundation of a defamation case is probably first determining whether you have a defamation per se case, because then damages will not have to be proven.

[SharkTanked]

 

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One expert, in a report submitted by Dominion in November as part of its lawsuit, estimated the company had experienced nearly $16 million in lost profits from customers who either terminated their contracts early or decided not to renew.

The same estimate projected Dominion has already suffered $72.3 million in lost opportunities, which includes potential contract extensions, additional equipment sales and service contracts with existing customers, and new business.

Overall, the expert estimated the company had experienced a $920 million decline in value, which includes the estimated taxes the company would have to pay if they were awarded damages. The expert also estimated additional future lost opportunities that have yet to be detailed publicly."

[grandjean87]

On 3/30/2023 at 10:37 AM, SharkTanked said:

 

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One expert, in a report submitted by Dominion in November as part of its lawsuit, estimated the company had experienced nearly $16 million in lost profits from customers who either terminated their contracts early or decided not to renew.

The same estimate projected Dominion has already suffered $72.3 million in lost opportunities, which includes potential contract extensions, additional equipment sales and service contracts with existing customers, and new business.

Overall, the expert estimated the company had experienced a $920 million decline in value, which includes the estimated taxes the company would have to pay if they were awarded damages. The expert also estimated additional future lost opportunities that have yet to be detailed publicly."

I think you answered the OP's question well. 

I saw this thread yesterday.  Sheesh:

 

[Nevada Convert]

On 3/30/2023 at 9:37 AM, SharkTanked said:

 

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One expert, in a report submitted by Dominion in November as part of its lawsuit, estimated the company had experienced nearly $16 million in lost profits from customers who either terminated their contracts early or decided not to renew.

The same estimate projected Dominion has already suffered $72.3 million in lost opportunities, which includes potential contract extensions, additional equipment sales and service contracts with existing customers, and new business.

Overall, the expert estimated the company had experienced a $920 million decline in value, which includes the estimated taxes the company would have to pay if they were awarded damages. The expert also estimated additional future lost opportunities that have yet to be detailed publicly."

This doesn’t prove anything. Dominion hires an expert to tell the court what they want them to hear …..that the company has losses of almost a billion, and Fox has an expert that’ll show that they’re actually seeing growth and record profits. 

I don’t see any real evidence that they have any significant damages. 

[SalinasSpartan]

On 3/30/2023 at 5:33 PM, Nevada Convert said:

This doesn’t prove anything. Dominion hires an expert to tell the court what they want them to hear …..that the company has losses of almost a billion, and Fox has an expert that’ll show that they’re actually seeing growth and record profits. 

I don’t see any real evidence that they have any significant damages. 

Yea but unless you get on the jury, it doesn’t matter what you think. 

[SalinasSpartan]

@Nevada Convert for like the 3rd time:

https://www.justsecurity.org/82447/8-top-experts-on-strength-of-a-dominion-defamation-case-against-donald-trump/
 

Very relevant quote:

“As statements of fact, they are also clearly capable of bearing defamatory meaning and fall into the category of “per se defamation” in which harm may be presumed based on the nature of the communication.”

Harm being “presumed” means specific damages DO NOT HAVE TO BE PROVEN.

[Nevada Convert]

On 3/30/2023 at 5:55 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

@Nevada Convert for like the 3rd time:

https://www.justsecurity.org/82447/8-top-experts-on-strength-of-a-dominion-defamation-case-against-donald-trump/
 

Very relevant quote:

“As statements of fact, they are also clearly capable of bearing defamatory meaning and fall into the category of “per se defamation” in which harm may be presumed based on the nature of the communication.”

Harm being “presumed” means specific damages DO NOT HAVE TO BE PROVEN.

Dude, ‘defamation per se’ isn’t as easy to get as you might think. It varies by state, and there’s so much grey area in some of it.

Look at this example. Doctor A didn’t like  Doctor B, and wrote a bunch of letters to other doctors that Doctor B is a liar, has character flaws, untrustworthy, etc. and that seems to fall right into the D per se category of defamation affecting your professional standing and means to earn a living. 

But the court ruled that it’s not a D per se situation because the lie wasn’t a about a specific medical procedure or issue. I would argue that honesty applies to a lot of areas in being a doctor, and if everyone at work began to believe you were a liar, fraudulent, untrustworthy, etc.  it would be very damaging to your career/profession and advancement. 
 

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/tx-supreme-court/1631622.html