t's Time for the Scientific Community to Admit We Were Wrong About COVID and It Cost Lives

[Spaztecs]

On 2/4/2023 at 9:24 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

BS.  Even in California the campgrounds are spaced 10+ yards apart.  Absolute BS.  

Many campgrounds were packing them in tighter and you know for a fact humanity is going to mingle.

Nice try though.

Fool.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 2/4/2023 at 9:25 AM, Spaztecs said:

Ur a phucking disaster.

The worst kind because you believe that by being self educated you are smarter than everyone else.

It merely provides you with a self inflicted superiority.

Lol go back to screaming incoherently about While Male Power 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 2/4/2023 at 9:27 AM, Spaztecs said:

Many campgrounds were packing them in tighter and you know for a fact humanity is going to mingle.

Nice try though.

Fool.

 

Now think the next part through logically....

[halfmanhalfbronco]

NGL, "campgrounds needed to be off limits because the national park service and state forest services are so greedy" is a new line I have not heard before....ROFLMAO

[grandjean87]

Why I finally looked at the link in the OP, I'm not sure, but a quick scan showed a set of cherry-picked nothingburgers.  9 pages. Lol. 

[SalinasSpartan]

On 2/4/2023 at 8:11 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Good thing you did not have to seek them out.  They were cited.

Cloth masks were not an effective tool on controlling the spread of SARS-CoV-2.  That's pretty much the cut and dry of it.  They did however hamper the development of millions of kids significantly and caused a huge ecological mess.

This is coming from somebody who was a mask Nazi himself and spent two years masking shaming people on this very board.  However, when presented with the data, one must humble himself and change his mind.

 

Every single study that has ever been conducted about the efficacy of cloth masks in reducing the transmission of COVID-19 was cited? 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 2/4/2023 at 9:50 AM, SalinasSpartan said:

Every single study that has ever been conducted about the efficacy of cloth masks in reducing the transmission of COVID-19 was cited? 

You wouldn't look at them if they were lol.

 

[AztecAlien]

On 2/4/2023 at 9:27 AM, Spaztecs said:

Many campgrounds were packing them in tighter and you know for a fact humanity is going to mingle.

Nice try though.

Fool.

After Fauci and the CDC realized they made huge mistakes with lock downs and shutting down outdoor activities, he comes out a year later and said most outdoor activities are low risk and transmission was rare outside. How was shutting down beaches, golf courses, campgrounds, fishing, hiking trails, ski resorts, and for +++++s sake surfing in CA following the science? 

Mayo Clinic recommendations for outdoor activities during COVID while distancing. 

Walking, running and hiking.

Rollerblading and biking.

Fishing and hunting.

Golfing.

Rock or ice climbing.

Kayaking, canoeing, diving, boating or sailing.

Skiing, including cross-country and downhill skiing.

Ice skating.

Snowboarding.

Sledding.

Snowshoeing.

Fitness classes, held outside. 

Camping. 

Standing in line wrapped around a big box store with a cloth mask on was following the science right? 

 

[AztecAlien]

On 2/4/2023 at 9:17 AM, Spaztecs said:

 

Sorry dumass, but your team telling everyone it was a hoax, your team telling everyone they didn't need to distance or mask, your team telling everyone not to get vaxxed led to excess deaths. 

Not the science.

You are one obtuse dickhead

Remember this?

"If Donald Trump tells us to take the vaccine I'm not taking it."

Kamala Harris 

She also spewed her rhetoric about not trusting the vaccines if Trump had anything to do with them multiply times. 

Way to put trust in the people. 

 

 

 

[grandjean87]

Fauci was not of the CDC. He worked for the NIH, a separate entity w/in HHS.   Yes, he referenced the CDC often, but he was the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) w/in the NIH plus another top executive role there.  He was on Trump's task force and anointed (sic) advisor to 46 before retiring.   

Not going to repeat my past criticisms of Tony, but unfortunately he became the main public face of the pandemic.  Others were far better.  He definitely was a part of the junglefvck.  

[AztecAlien]

On 2/4/2023 at 10:21 AM, grandjean87 said:

Fauci was not of the CDC. He worked for the NIH, a separate entity w/in HHS.   Yes, he referenced the CDC often, but he was the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) w/in the NIH plus another top executive role there.  He was on Trump's task force and anointed (sic) advisor to 46 before retiring.   

Not going to repeat my past criticisms of Tony, but unfortunately he became the main public face of the pandemic.  Others were far better.  He definitely was a part of the junglefvck.  

Correct. However, The CDC was following Fauci and his recommendations he contradicted later multiple times and were part of the creation of the junglefvck you described so well. 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 2/4/2023 at 10:21 AM, grandjean87 said:

Fauci was not of the CDC. He worked for the NIH, a separate entity w/in HHS.   Yes, he referenced the CDC often, but he was the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) w/in the NIH plus another top executive role there.  He was on Trump's task force and anointed (sic) advisor to 46 before retiring.   

Not going to repeat my past criticisms of Tony, but unfortunately he became the main public face of the pandemic.  Others were far better.  He definitely was a part of the junglefvck.  

Yes.  Without re-reading I may have misspoke but I believe I said Fauci and the CDC or may have said Fauci along with the CDC or more mistakenly the Fauci lead CDC.

I guess the main point I am trying to get at is we are so, so, so +++++ed when a more virulent pandemic eventually happens.  The COVID disaster made us all dumber and entrenched.  

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 2/4/2023 at 10:21 AM, grandjean87 said:

Fauci was not of the CDC. He worked for the NIH, a separate entity w/in HHS.   Yes, he referenced the CDC often, but he was the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) w/in the NIH plus another top executive role there.  He was on Trump's task force and anointed (sic) advisor to 46 before retiring.   

Not going to repeat my past criticisms of Tony, but unfortunately he became the main public face of the pandemic.  Others were far better.  He definitely was a part of the junglefvck.  

Yes.  Without re-reading I may have misspoke but I believe I said Fauci and the CDC or may have said Fauci along with the CDC or more mistakenly the Fauci lead CDC.

I guess the main point I am trying to get at is we are so, so, so +++++ed when a more virulent pandemic eventually happens.  The COVID disaster made us all dumber and entrenched.  

I spent three years raging at the COVIDIOT right wingers for the needless death they were responsible for.  For the heartache they caused so many.

I say a word against the response of the other side and idiots like @GoDogs22 say "durka durrr why no say mean things about righty guy"....+++++ing troglodyte 

[grandjean87]

On 2/4/2023 at 10:27 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Yes.  Without re-reading I may have misspoke but I believe I said Fauci and the CDC or may have said Fauci along with the CDC or more mistakenly the Fauci lead CDC.

I guess the main point I am trying to get at is we are so, so, so +++++ed when a more virulent pandemic eventually happens.  The COVID disaster made us all dumber and entrenched.  

My larger point goes to the OP and article linked.  Nothing new there on a quick read.   On the last day of summer/1st day of fall in 2021, Scott Gottlieb's "Uncontrolled Spread" was published.  Much of the content was already published and/or spoken about over the prior year or so.  It's probably going to be the go-to reference for historical and political science research.  

We weren't prepared structurally for this pandemic.  The media got so much wrong so often.   I mean all media.  The fake cures on one side and the dogmatic presentations on the other and more.  Trump, FFS. 

As to the CDC which goes to structural failures, I've posted this before from uncontrolledspread.com: 

"Many of the woes sprung from the CDC, which has very little real-time reporting capability to inform us of Covid’s twists and turns or assess our defenses. The agency lacked an operational capacity and mindset to mobilize the kind of national response that was needed. To guard against future pandemic risks, we must remake the CDC and properly equip it to better confront crises."

[SalinasSpartan]

On 2/4/2023 at 8:55 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

You wouldn't look at them if they were lol.

 

Nope, I sure wouldn’t. But you didn’t answer my question. You are telling me EVERY study that was conducted was cited? And you also sat down and read through every study to ensure that the data being cited wasn’t being used in a misleading way? And then you also didn’t just take them at their word (because they are partisan, and you apparently hate partisans) that they included every study and did an exhaustive search for other studies that they may have omitted, right? 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 2/4/2023 at 10:39 AM, grandjean87 said:

My larger point goes to the OP and article linked.  Nothing new there on a quick read.   On the last day of summer/1st day of fall in 2021, Scott Gottlieb's "Uncontrolled Spread" was published.  Much of the content was already published and/or spoken about over the prior year or so.  It's probably going to be the go-to reference for historical and political science research.  

We weren't prepared structurally for this pandemic.  The media got so much wrong so often.   I mean all media.  The fake cures on one side and the dogmatic presentations on the other and more.  Trump, FFS. 

As to the CDC which goes to structural failures, I've posted this before from uncontrolledspread.com: 

"Many of the woes sprung from the CDC, which has very little real-time reporting capability to inform us of Covid’s twists and turns or assess our defenses. The agency lacked an operational capacity and mindset to mobilize the kind of national response that was needed. To guard against future pandemic risks, we must remake the CDC and properly equip it to better confront crises."

 

I didn't bother reading the article.  I knew from the headline it was going to be nonsense blaming "science" for the response from people who who could not tell you the difference between a proton and a starfish lol.

You are dead on though.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 2/4/2023 at 10:44 AM, SalinasSpartan said:

Nope, I sure wouldn’t. But you didn’t answer my question. You are telling me EVERY study that was conducted was cited? And you also sat down and read through every study to ensure that the data being cited wasn’t being used in a misleading way? And then you also didn’t just take them at their word (because they are partisan, and you apparently hate partisans) that they included every study and did an exhaustive search for other studies that they may have omitted, right? 

Nope.  Just the ones that confirmed what they wanted  to hear.  The data is still the data and still went through peer review though.  That's the point.  Not sure why you are bothering to respond unless you want to site peer review showing the opposite?

[Spaztecs]

On 2/4/2023 at 9:38 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

NGL, "campgrounds needed to be off limits because the national park service and state forest services are so greedy" is a new line I have not heard before....ROFLMAO

The private campground owners did that.

They are the greedy and uncaring bastards.

[Spaztecs]

On 2/4/2023 at 10:03 AM, AztecAlien said:

After Fauci and the CDC realized they made huge mistakes with lock downs and shutting down outdoor activities, he comes out a year later and said most outdoor activities are low risk and transmission was rare outside. How was shutting down beaches, golf courses, campgrounds, fishing, hiking trails, ski resorts, and for +++++s sake surfing in CA following the science? 

Mayo Clinic recommendations for outdoor activities during COVID while distancing. 

Walking, running and hiking.

Rollerblading and biking.

Fishing and hunting.

Golfing.

Rock or ice climbing.

Kayaking, canoeing, diving, boating or sailing.

Skiing, including cross-country and downhill skiing.

Ice skating.

Snowboarding.

Sledding.

Snowshoeing.

Fitness classes, held outside. 

Camping. 

Standing in line wrapped around a big box store with a cloth mask on was following the science right? 

 

Because the photos that were all over the internet with folks engaging in those activities, showed people packed together like it was India.

 

People are communal and instinctively mingle in public spaces.

[SalinasSpartan]

On 2/4/2023 at 9:46 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Nope.  Just the ones that confirmed what they wanted  to hear.  The data is still the data and still went through peer review though.  That's the point.  Not sure why you are bothering to respond unless you want to site peer review showing the opposite?

I just find it funny that Mr anti teams and shit cites a report from a very teams and shit institute and is acting like it’s a mic drop because the report cites some studies. That’s all.