t's Time for the Scientific Community to Admit We Were Wrong About COVID and It Cost Lives

[Stealthlobo]

I think one of the big take aways from the pandemic is no matter what this country will be in trouble. There is too much division and mistrust of the government for any policies (strict or lenient) to really work. Everything will be half-assed and have a ton of resistance from one side or the other.

Both Sweden (lenient policies) and New Zealand (strict policies) did world's better than the US because of trust in their government.

[AztecAlien]

On 2/3/2023 at 3:23 PM, RSF said:

 

 

Not sure what connection you're trying to make. We already went through the material in cloth and disposable masks not stopping the virus from getting through. You posted something similar as well regarding the type of filtration being used. 

[RSF]

On 2/3/2023 at 4:31 PM, AztecAlien said:

Not sure what connection you're trying to make. 

Doesn't surprise me in the least.

 

On 2/3/2023 at 4:31 PM, AztecAlien said:

We already went through the material in cloth and disposable masks not stopping the virus from getting through. You posted something similar as well regarding the type of filtration being used. 

Another interpretation.  You're consistent.

[AztecAlien]

On 2/3/2023 at 3:36 PM, RSF said:

Doesn't surprise me in the least.

 

Another interpretation.  You're consistent.

It's not an incorrect interpretation. It came from science and research that seems to be forgotten. Deeming cloth and disposable masks that most people wore were highly effective in slowing the spread of COVID19 in the beginning of the pandemic was a mistake Along with many others.     

[grandjean87]

On 2/3/2023 at 3:30 PM, Stealthlobo said:

I think one of the big take aways from the pandemic is no matter what this country will be in trouble. There is too much division and mistrust of the government for any policies (strict or lenient) to really work. Everything will be half-assed and have a ton of resistance from one side or the other.

Both Sweden (lenient policies) and New Zealand (strict policies) did world's better than the US because of trust in their government.

Two much healthier populations with household size and living patterns also a factor, but I agree on our nation's inability to form needed consensus on many matters.  Another sad effect of post-truthism. 

[Spaztecs]

On 2/3/2023 at 2:55 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

No.  Everyone knows school kids were not properly masking.  That makes masks useless.  

All parks and campgrounds were closed in many states.  That's not the science.

Once vaccinees we're available for the at risk every school should have opened.

By spring of 2020 we absolutely knew how COVID was spreading.  Especially by the summer.  Beaches still closed   not science.

No, closing small businesses but keeping open crowded ones was not science.  We knew the RO of each wave.  Without wearing a N95 at all times we knew everyone would eventually get COVID.  That's what the RO told us.  That was the science.

BLM movement was the largest in history l.  That was not following the science.  Thousands close together is not the same as chaining off the local swing set.

If the medical short term solutions was social distancing, then packing people into beaches and campgrounds isn't following "The Science."

[SalinasSpartan]

On 2/3/2023 at 1:30 PM, AztecAlien said:

So evidently you think what I stated would have had to lead to a major extinction event? That study didn't suggest that either. And no, the death rate for infected people wasn't 5 out of 100 at anytime.   

 

His point is: 

Let’s say 1% of people with virus X die. 

Cloth masks reduce transmission of virus X by 5%.

In a group of 100,000 people, 10,000 will get virus X if they are all unmasked.

If they are all masked 9,500 will get virus X.

That means that without masks 500 people will get virus X that would not have had they worn masks. 

1% of those 500 people will die, which is 5.

Therefore, masking in that scenario would save 5 lives.

And that was NOT supposed to represent the transmissibility or death rate of COVID, those numbers are just numbers I pulled out of my ass because the math was easy to do in my head. 
 

His point is that when you are dealing with the sheer scale of COVID infections, reducing transmissibility by just 5% will directly result in saving some number of lives. If you want to argue the inconvenience of mask mandates before the vaccine was widely available was too much to justify the mandate even though it would save some lives, then argue that. But to say that a 5% reduction in transmission would not necessarily mean fewer deaths is just disingenuous or cowardice. 

 

[Spaztecs]

On 2/3/2023 at 3:01 PM, AztecAlien said:

I agree with what you're saying. But you keep stating properly masked. If research showed the material used in cloth and disposable masks did not stop the penetration of the virus, what difference does it make if they were worn properly? Please explain. 

You are one obtuse individual.

[AztecAlien]

On 2/3/2023 at 4:18 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

His point is: 

Let’s say 1% of people with virus X die. 

Cloth masks reduce transmission of virus X by 5%.

In a group of 100,000 people, 10,000 will get virus X if they are all unmasked.

If they are all masked 9,500 will get virus X.

That means that without masks 500 people will get virus X that would not have had they worn masks. 

1% of those 500 people will die, which is 5.

Therefore, masking in that scenario would save 5 lives.

And that was NOT supposed to represent the transmissibility or death rate of COVID, those numbers are just numbers I pulled out of my ass because the math was easy to do in my head. 
 

His point is that when you are dealing with the sheer scale of COVID infections, reducing transmissibility by just 5% will directly result in saving some number of lives. If you want to argue the inconvenience of mask mandates before the vaccine was widely available was too much to justify the mandate even though it would save some lives, then argue that. But to say that a 5% reduction in transmission would not necessarily mean fewer deaths is just disingenuous or cowardice. 

 

I didn't state or argue against a 5% reduction in transmission will lead to fewer deaths. That's just another spin and complete BS. Again, the science and research showed cloth masks were highly ineffective in slowing the spread of the virus. That's it. And 5 out of 100 of that 5% reduction didn't lead to death rates like the spaz was trying to claim. I know what he was trying to do. 

[AztecAlien]

On 2/3/2023 at 4:21 PM, Spaztecs said:

You are one obtuse individual.

Oh I understand how people like to twist things. Especially coming from you. 

[Spaztecs]

On 2/3/2023 at 4:33 PM, AztecAlien said:

Oh I understand how people like to twist things. Especially coming from you. 

Yes, I am one twisted phuck.

 

[AztecAlien]

On 2/3/2023 at 4:36 PM, Spaztecs said:

Yes, I am one twisted phuck.

 

At least you admit it. That's progress. 

[SalinasSpartan]

On 2/3/2023 at 3:30 PM, AztecAlien said:

I didn't state or argue that a 5% reduction in transmission will lead to fewer deaths. That's just another spin and complete BS. Again, the science and research showed cloth masks were highly ineffective in slowly the spread of the virus. That's it. And 5 out of 100 of that 5% reduction didn't lead to death like the spaz was trying to claim. I know what he was trying to do. 

Wait, what? The less people that get a virus means less people die of that virus… that isn’t something that’s arguable. 

[Spaztecs]

On 2/3/2023 at 4:37 PM, AztecAlien said:

At least you admit it. That's progress. 

Proud if it as well.

You wear your obtuseness quite well.

[AztecAlien]

On 2/3/2023 at 4:46 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

Wait, what? The less people that get a virus means less people die of that virus… that isn’t something that’s arguable. 

Keep nitpicking and put that cloth mask on if it helps you feel better. 

[AztecAlien]

On 2/3/2023 at 4:49 PM, Spaztecs said:

Proud if it as well.

You wear your obtuseness quite well.

Follow the science right? 

[SalinasSpartan]

On 2/3/2023 at 3:50 PM, AztecAlien said:

Keep nitpicking and put that cloth mask on if it helps you feel better. 

I think this is more cowardice than disingenuousness from you right now. 

[AztecAlien]

On 2/3/2023 at 4:58 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

I think this is more cowardice than disingenuousness from you right now. 

Believe what you want to believe. I believe there were mistakes and contradictions in the response to SARS-CoV-2 that made things worse and as a society and we are just starting to deal with it. 

[RSF]

On 2/3/2023 at 5:33 PM, AztecAlien said:

Oh I understand how people like to twist things. Especially coming from you. 

[RSF]

On 2/3/2023 at 6:09 PM, AztecAlien said:

Believe what you want to believe. I believe there were mistakes and contradictions in the response to SARS-CoV-2 that made things worse and as a society we are just starting to deal with it.