t's Time for the Scientific Community to Admit We Were Wrong About COVID and It Cost Lives

[Spaztecs]

On 2/3/2023 at 12:37 PM, RSF said:

Ask any parent, they'll tell you kids don't just bring homework home from school.

Right after my youngest sister was born, my older sister brought home Chicken Pox, measles, and mumps within two months. And we caught those ailments in succession. As soon as we got over one, we started another round of the next disease.

That was a rough two months for my Mom.

I was fortunate my kids got the Chicken Pox at the same time and it was all over in two weeks.

[AztecAlien]

On 2/3/2023 at 1:26 PM, happycamper said:

I literally never called it good. Before you even posted the link I called cloth masks "not good". Afterwards I called it "not good". 

I just thought your comparison of "amount of damage to ecosystem" to be hilariously dumb and then you went and proved it to be even more hilariously dumb than I could have possibly dreamed

lmao and you.... keep trying

There's plenty of evidence of the environmental impact of those masks. And you're doing the same thing over playing your statements for effect in the celebration of the numbers that are not good that came out of those links. 

[Spaztecs]

On 2/3/2023 at 1:10 PM, AztecAlien said:

That research in the link wasn't some type of celebration regarding that 5% reduction in infection from cloth masks like you keep twisting it to be. It stated those numbers weren't good. But you be you.  

 

So, you're okay with those extra five deaths per hundred ?

 

What a guy, just to prove your Political point.

 

[AztecAlien]

On 2/3/2023 at 1:31 PM, Spaztecs said:

So, you're okay with those extra five deaths per hundred ?

 

What a guy, just to prove your Political point.

 

Linking research that showed cloth masks were highly ineffective with stopping the spread of the virus isn't political. The 5 percent death rate you're trying to pull is political. 

[happycamper]

On 2/3/2023 at 3:31 PM, AztecAlien said:

There's plenty of evidence of the environmental impact of those masks. And you're doing the same thing over playing your statements for effect in the celebration of the numbers that are not good that came out of those links. 

I didn't say there wasn't. 

I said first, you had a comparison that was impossible to make

then you provided a study that made it possible to make, but hilariously stupid

what statements have I "overplayed"?

On 2/3/2023 at 3:43 PM, AztecAlien said:

Linking research that showed cloth masks were highly ineffective with stopping the spread of the virus isn't political.

except you explicitly did it to prove a, political, point that masks are somehow worse for the environment than how much coronavirus they prevent and then immediately proved that for that to be true we'd have to have a major extinction event

On 2/3/2023 at 3:43 PM, AztecAlien said:

The 5 percent death rate you're trying to pull is political. 

it's literally math dude. 5% less infections means 5% less deaths. cmon man

[AztecAlien]

On 2/3/2023 at 2:21 PM, happycamper said:

I didn't say there wasn't. 

I said first, you had a comparison that was impossible to make

then you provided a study that made it possible to make, but hilariously stupid

what statements have I "overplayed"?

except you explicitly did it to prove a, political, point that masks are somehow worse for the environment than how much coronavirus they prevent and then immediately proved that for that to be true we'd have to have a major extinction event

it's literally math dude. 5% less infections means 5% less deaths. cmon man

So evidently you think what I stated would have had to lead to a major extinction event? That study didn't suggest that either. And no, the death rate for infected people wasn't 5 out of 100 at anytime.   

 

[RSF]

On 2/3/2023 at 3:30 PM, AztecAlien said:

So evidently you think what I stated would have had to lead to a major extinction event? That study didn't suggest that either. And no, the death rate for infected people wasn't 5 out of 100 at anytime.  

So you have issues with Math, Science AND English.  

 

 

We're running out of subjects.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 2/3/2023 at 12:37 PM, RSF said:

Ask any parent, they'll tell you kids don't just bring homework home from school.

Yep and it's laughable they thought kids would wear masks appropriately and since they didn't it had no impact on reducing infection only in hampering the development of millions of elementary school kids.  not.  The . Science.

[AztecAlien]

On 2/3/2023 at 2:46 PM, RSF said:

So you have issues with Math, Science AND English.  

 

 

We're running out of subjects.

The science and research showed cloth masks were highly ineffective in stopping the spread of the virus. Not that hard to understand with evidence being available to you. 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 2/3/2023 at 11:19 AM, happycamper said:

I mean... they were. Open schools meant teachers get covid. Teachers with covid can't teach. Multiple schools opened and closed and re-opened because of that. 

I mean... again, they were. The science showed less infections for respitory diseases with masks; we had not had a covid specific model yet. Even later, masks were proven to only be mildly effective... which was the best we had. 

Depends on the beach, park, campground. Also, depends on the part. In April, May 2020? We just didn't know how Covid spread yet. That was following the science because, well, science learned. that's what it does. 

Sure it did. Limit interactions between people as much as possible. Lots of people get life necessities al Walmart. Furthermore,  Walmart offered curbside delivery with a handy dandy app. 

Wait up, halfman. In this very post you said:

So.... which is it? Furthermore, for most protests, which really kicked off in the summer, "the science" had already told us that the earlier recommendations didn't make sense. so....

No.  Everyone knows school kids were not properly masking.  That makes masks useless.  

All parks and campgrounds were closed in many states.  That's not the science.

Once vaccinees we're available for the at risk every school should have opened.

By spring of 2020 we absolutely knew how COVID was spreading.  Especially by the summer.  Beaches still closed   not science.

No, closing small businesses but keeping open crowded ones was not science.  We knew the RO of each wave.  Without wearing a N95 at all times we knew everyone would eventually get COVID.  That's what the RO told us.  That was the science.

BLM movement was the largest in history l.  That was not following the science.  Thousands close together is not the same as chaining off the local swing set.

[happycamper]

On 2/3/2023 at 4:30 PM, AztecAlien said:

So evidently you think what I stated would have had to lead to a major extinction event?

buddy

your study showed that cloth masks reduced infections by 5%

you compared that to the "ecological damage caused by masks"

do you have any idea what 5% of... uh... the ecosphere would be?

On 2/3/2023 at 4:30 PM, AztecAlien said:

That study didn't suggest that either.

 

You're right. It didn't "suggest" that. It outright stated that there was a 5% reduction in infections. 

On 2/3/2023 at 4:30 PM, AztecAlien said:

And no, the death rate for infected people wasn't 5 out of 100 at anytime.   

 

 

each football possession has a 27% chance to make a touchdown

reduce the total number of football possessions in a game

reduce the total number of touchdowns in a game

now look at covid

each covid case has what, 1%? chance to kill someone

reduce covids by 5%

now there are less 1% chances

this is..... not complex

[AztecAlien]

On 2/3/2023 at 2:55 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

No.  Everyone knows school kids were not properly masking.  That makes masks useless.  

All parks and campgrounds were closed in many states.  That's not the science.

Once vaccinees we're available for the at risk every school should have opened.

By spring of 2020 we absolutely knew how COVID was spreading.  Especially by the summer.  Beaches still closed   not science.

No, closing small businesses but keeping open crowded ones was not science.  We knew the RO of each wave.  Without wearing a N95 at all times we knew everyone would eventually get COVID.  That's what the RO told us.  That was the science.

I agree with what you're saying. But you keep stating properly masked. If research showed the material used in cloth and disposable masks did not stop the penetration of the virus, what difference does it make if they were worn properly? Please explain. 

[happycamper]

On 2/3/2023 at 4:55 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

No.  Everyone knows school kids were not properly masking.  That makes masks useless.  

based on what, halfman? "the science"? What studies show kids not properly masking? was that compared to overall societal masking compliance?

seems like you have gotten into the "not following the science" on this windmill tilt

On 2/3/2023 at 4:55 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

All parks and campgrounds were closed in many states.  That's not the science.

dude I went camping in 2020 in Washington. they, uh, were not. playgrounds were closed for a bit, until the science showed it didn't matter. which is absolutely "following the science" because "the science" thought that covid was transmitted by surfaces for a while. 

On 2/3/2023 at 4:55 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Once vaccinees we're available for the at risk every school should have opened.

sure. or after they were available for teachers. 

On 2/3/2023 at 4:55 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

By spring of 2020 we absolutely knew how COVID was spreading. 

no. march? no, we had no idea. we were washing our hands and had no mask mandate.

On 2/3/2023 at 4:55 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Especially by the summer.  Beaches still closed   not science.

ah I forgot cali went nutso. oregon and washington did not. science! 

On 2/3/2023 at 4:55 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

No, closing small businesses but keeping open crowded ones was not science. 

sure it is. where do most people's food comes from? who offers curbside pickup?

that's basic. 

On 2/3/2023 at 4:55 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

We knew the RO of each wave.  Without wearing a N95 at all times we knew everyone would eventually get COVID.  That's what the RO told us.  That was the science.

except that didn't happen halfman. in many countries everyone didn't "eventually get covid" until after vaccines were available. that is recorded data. 

On 2/3/2023 at 4:55 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

BLM movement was the largest in history l.  That was not following the science.  Thousands close together is not the same as chaining off the local swing set.

So which is it? Crowded beaches are ok, while protests aren't? is that "Science"? or is that you being curmudgeonly?

[RSF]

On 2/3/2023 at 3:50 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Yep and it's laughable they thought kids would wear masks appropriately and since they didn't it had no impact on reducing infection only in hampering the development of millions of elementary school kids.  not.  The . Science.

Your conflating scientific theory with execution.

 

On 2/3/2023 at 3:52 PM, AztecAlien said:

The science and research showed cloth masks were highly ineffective in stopping the spread of the virus. Not that hard to understand with evidence being available to you. 

That's your interpretation of the evidence.  The study you cited disputes your characterization.

[happycamper]

On 2/3/2023 at 5:01 PM, AztecAlien said:

I agree with what you're saying. But you keep stating properly masked. If research showed the material used in cloth and disposable masks did not stop the penetration of the virus, what difference does it make if they were worn properly? Please explain. 

you provided research showing cloth masks reduced infections my man

please explain

[RSF]

On 2/2/2023 at 2:37 PM, RSF said:

 

You really need to learn to read the whole article, not just the headline.

 

A study from the same school.  And the SAME doctor.  Because its the SAME study.

 

This is some Bob-level work by you, AA.

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/859071

 

Dr Richard Sear, co-author of the study and Leader of the Soft Matter Group at the University of Surrey, said:

"While wearing a simple and relatively inexpensive cloth face mask cannot eliminate the risk of contracting COVID-19, measurements and our theoretical model suggests they are highly effective in reducing transmission. We hope that our work inspires mask designs to be optimised in the future and we hope it helps to remind people of the importance of continuing to wear masks while COVID-19 remains present in the community."

 

 

Just a reminder....

[AztecAlien]

On 2/3/2023 at 3:10 PM, happycamper said:

you provided research showing cloth masks reduced infections my man

please explain

Those numbers were bad according to the research and clearly stated that.   

[happycamper]

On 2/3/2023 at 5:12 PM, AztecAlien said:

Those numbers were bad according to the research and clearly stated that.   

so for you, 5% = 0%?

how are you with debt lmao

[AztecAlien]

On 2/3/2023 at 3:16 PM, happycamper said:

so for you, 5% = 0%?

how are you with debt lmao

I didn't state anything close to that. Why do you lie?   

[RSF]

On 2/3/2023 at 4:01 PM, AztecAlien said:

I agree with what you're saying. But you keep stating properly masked. If research showed the material used in cloth and disposable masks did not stop the penetration of the virus, what difference does it make if they were worn properly? Please explain. 

 

On 2/3/2023 at 4:16 PM, happycamper said:

so for you, 5% = 0%?

how are you with debt lmao

On 2/3/2023 at 4:17 PM, AztecAlien said:

I didn't state anything close to that. Why do you lie?