Billings Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Interesting times https://apnews.com/article/college-football-sports-florida-gators-miami-hurricanes-72b530729c0d4721ee615997ee2080b4?utm_source=ForYou&utm_medium=HomePage&utm_id=Taboola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoll Cracker Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 NIL was not designed to be pay prior to play. The system is completely broken. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Coast Aztec Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 1/18/2023 at 9:54 AM, Swoll Cracker said: NIL was not designed to be pay prior to play. The system is completely broken. I don't see where it wasn't. People knew immediately that 5-Star recruits were going to be able to cash in immediately, and it happened pretty much as soon as it went into effect. I think where NIL confuses people is that the laymen thought it meant they would be able to use themselves in advertisements and endorsements, when the rules didn't state that was the only way they could get paid. They knew this was going to happen, and made the language vague intentionally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrediggerPoke Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 The bigger story is that a high school prospect, who has never played a down of college football, ranked 7th at his position and 59 overall nationally according to 247 sports is signing a 4 year NIL deal worth $13 million. Process that for one moment. The 7th best QB prospect in the NFL draft would be lucky to get that deal. What does the best QB HS prospect get? 30 million over 4 years? Who cares about the NFL - - you're set for life out of high school. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaFan Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Is it wrong to want the entire ship to sink? 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone Else Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, Swoll Cracker said: NIL was not designed to be pay prior to play. The system is completely broken. The basic issue is that it was not designed at all... no one designed it. All that happened was the SC told the NCAA that they could not tell anyone that they couldn't be paid.... after that there is no design. It's a free for all... and that is why I keep saying this will not end well for college athletics as a whole. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupslam1 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 There should have been a rule put in place that pay had to be commensurate with the value of work the player did for the payee. However, not sure if that would legally fly and would be difficult to enforce. As a player I’d damn well get a NIL contract from the paying party before I signed a NLI. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoStateBulldogFan Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 1/18/2023 at 11:26 AM, NevadaFan said: Is it wrong to want the entire ship to sink? Yeah this NIL NFL Saturday Lite league (aka NCAAFB) has become a real problem. It’s no longer about football, rivalries and education but rather about marketing and making money. The greed for Money has taken the fun out of the actual sport. I don’t blame the students and their families for wanting the money they help generate. I blame the greed from companies, TV networks and colleges that turned this once beloved “amateur sport” into a money robbing machine and means/method to separate their schools’ fan base from their money. I am all for students making the money but make them pay for their own education and make them pay taxes. No way should a regular non athlete student have to help subsidize a paid athlete’s room, board and tuition and whatever else education related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoStateBulldogFan Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 1/18/2023 at 11:53 AM, soupslam1 said: There should have been a rule put in place that pay had to be commensurate with the value of work the player did for the payee. However, not sure if that would legally fly and would be difficult to enforce. As a player I’d damn well get a NIL contract from the paying party before I signed a NLI. I agree there needs to value on work ethic but the real big money is gifted by Mother Nature… there is a balance between talent and development (work). Hardwork can take you places but it won’t take you as many places as talent will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 1/18/2023 at 11:32 AM, Someone Else said: It's a free for all... and that is why I keep saying this will not end well for college athletics as a whole. We've all grown up with college athletics and have loved following our teams/schools but maybe the time is drawing near when academic institutions and athletics should get a divorce. We eventually might be heading for more of a European "club" type structure in which talent is recognized, paid for, and nurtured from a young age. It won't happen overnight, but I can imagine a time when schools start to say "this isn't worth it, this isn't our mission" and they will start eliminating teams or entire programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone Else Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, renoskier said: We've all grown up with college athletics and have loved following our teams/schools but maybe the time is drawing near when academic institutions and athletics should get a divorce. We eventually might be heading for more of a European "club" type structure in which talent is recognized, paid for, and nurtured from a young age. It won't happen overnight, but I can imagine a time when schools start to say "this isn't worth it, this isn't our mission" and they will start eliminating teams or entire programs. Though lots of folks don't see it this way, that is exactly what I think will start happening at the schools who are left out of the party (which will be most of them). These left out schools will eventually realize they have lost the battle for the football money and decide they don't need it for a marketing tool because it isn't a successful tool for them... they will then drop football and make all other sports 'club' teams and will no longer have to fund all of them (or deal with NIL). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrediggerPoke Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 1/18/2023 at 3:02 PM, Someone Else said: Though lots of folks don't see it this way, that is exactly what I think will start happening at the schools who are left out of the party (which will be most of them). These left out schools will eventually realize they have lost the battle for the football money and decide they don't need it for a marketing tool because it isn't a successful tool for them... they will then drop football and make all other sports 'club' teams and will no longer have to fund all of them (or deal with NIL). I personally want Wyoming to be no part of this NIL arm's race. Putting millions of dollars into an unproven 18 year old athlete at an academic institution is the definition of absurdity. If the majority of other schools feel differently and if that means leaving FBS or dropping football all together for Wyoming, I'd be fine with that. I want Wyoming as a state to be successful - - take those dollars and attract top end young professional talent to the state to grow and diversify the state's economy. Those dollars would actually pay for themselves over time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle.borne Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 1/18/2023 at 11:26 AM, NevadaFan said: Is it wrong to want the entire ship to sink? That's where I am at.... Give it two years and the IRS will start audting these high earning players and things will get really spicy. 2 Quote "You pukin morons are just plain too dumb." -bluerules008 aka jibscout aka Hal "Mosquito Man" Newman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle.borne Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 1/18/2023 at 11:53 AM, soupslam1 said: There should have been a rule put in place that pay had to be commensurate with the value of work the player did for the payee. However, not sure if that would legally fly and would be difficult to enforce. As a player I’d damn well get a NIL contract from the paying party before I signed a NLI. It should have been more controlled. "Earnings" should have been placed into a revocable trust, monthly withdrawals limited to 100% of county AMI and only accesible if they were in academic good standing. JMHO 1 Quote "You pukin morons are just plain too dumb." -bluerules008 aka jibscout aka Hal "Mosquito Man" Newman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdgaucho Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Florida's poorer than we thought. Can't come up with a measly $13 million package? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 On 1/18/2023 at 3:25 PM, battle.borne said: It should have been more controlled. "Earnings" should have been placed into a revocable trust, monthly withdrawals limited to 100% of county AMI and only accesible if they were in academic good standing. JMHO that sounds rather authoritarian and socialistic...certainly not like a free market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headbutt Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 On 1/18/2023 at 12:53 PM, soupslam1 said: There should have been a rule put in place that pay had to be commensurate with the value of work the player did for the payee. However, not sure if that would legally fly and would be difficult to enforce. As a player I’d damn well get a NIL contract from the paying party before I signed a NLI. Some states have that rule, Colorado for one. However, you're right about it being difficult to enforce. Who has the right to tell a car dealer that one commercial for $1,000,000 with the local QB isn't a fair amount? Really poor judgement if you're actually looking to advertise, but the market sets fair market value and that car dealer just upped the ante for "fair market value". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headbutt Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 On 1/18/2023 at 10:52 AM, Billings said: Interesting times https://apnews.com/article/college-football-sports-florida-gators-miami-hurricanes-72b530729c0d4721ee615997ee2080b4?utm_source=ForYou&utm_medium=HomePage&utm_id=Taboola I'm LFMAO. Sorry if that's wrong, but that's where this thing has been headed since day 1. As Swoll stated, the entire NIL process cannot be pay for play. Of course it is on all of the big deals, but this time it'd be pretty hard to prove it's not. That actually is one of the rare NCAA violations still left. I've been saying from day one that the way this thing will finally stabilize will be through all the greed and the (now legal) bag men f*&king it up. I'm loving this, other than the terrible advice that QB is getting in his life. I don't care how good he is, there are a whole lot of schools that just decided they don't want him for any price. That Florida collective? The article said that they "terminated the binding agreement". I hope he buries their dumb asses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyovanian Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 On 1/18/2023 at 12:26 PM, NevadaFan said: Is it wrong to want the entire ship to sink? On 1/18/2023 at 4:22 PM, battle.borne said: That's where I am at.... Give it two years and the IRS will start audting these high earning players and things will get really spicy. It's unsustainable. NIL as we're currently seeing it, will be something far different in ten years as speculative "investments" fail. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle.borne Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 On 1/18/2023 at 4:01 PM, renoskier said: that sounds rather authoritarian and socialistic...certainly not like a free market Do you think the NCAA is a free market? Most of these schools are tax payer funded insitutions as well. IMO, these kind of controls would benefit the student-athletes and protect them from predators like lawyers, agents, and various unsavory characters who latch on to young people with money. Quote "You pukin morons are just plain too dumb." -bluerules008 aka jibscout aka Hal "Mosquito Man" Newman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
