Fresno to the P5?

[e-zone99]

On 1/11/2023 at 12:44 PM, e-zone99 said:

I have not heard one word of the Pac being extremely likely of being on CBS, you got a link?

 

This is the closest I have found about the Pac and CBS:

“ESPN will be prepared to split the Pac-12’s media rights with Amazon, but will not offer the conference significantly more than it pays for the Big 12. That will lead the Pac-12 to sell almost its entire media package to Amazon for a price that is slightly higher than what the Big 12 gets from ESPN and Fox. The Pac-12 will carve out a handful of prime-time football games that it then will sell to CBS.”

Link; https://theathletic.com/4019705/2022/12/20/pac12-amazon-media-rights/

[AztecSU]

On 1/11/2023 at 11:44 AM, e-zone99 said:

I have not heard one word of the Pac being extremely likely of being on CBS, you got a link?

 

Multiple industry insiders are predicting a CBS/PAC deal...less are saying they will also have an ESPN deal for late night games. I think they end up with both. If you look at who gets most of the big CBS selections in the MW 2 of those 3 teams are likely going to be in another conference by the time the MW renews its deal. 

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2022/12/19/Insiders/sports-media.aspx

[Aztec1984]

On 1/11/2023 at 11:49 AM, Spaztecs said:

Like I said, the only value SDSU brings to a new PAC TV deal is the mitigation of the potential 1.1 SD TV's who might watch Aztec FB.

That and recruiting. Utah's FB coach mentioned recruiting specifically. Players like to play a couple of games in front of friends and family and they also want their F&F to be able to see them on TV. Finally, if the PAC doesn't take SDSU the B12 surely will.  I can't see the PAC allowing that to happen in their own backyard. 

[818SUDSFan]

On 1/11/2023 at 11:04 AM, Spaztecs said:

Their is a minimal tv value increase for adding them. And I mean minimal, maybe $100 - $200k increase per School, per year.

In terms of Recruiting, the 4* and 5* San Diego kids already take the PAC offers over the MW, everytime.Why have to compete with SDSU for these recruits ?

The PAC TV numbers in San Diego are U$CLA viewers. They will keep on watching U$CLA in the B1G. Very few are watching the late night Wazzu-Arizona game on FS1.

I have been a hardcore Aztec fan my whole life and despite my wanting them to be in the PAC, the cold-hard facts say otherwise.

So what? Your take on this stuff suggests you were born yesterday.

[Spaztecs]

On 1/11/2023 at 1:07 PM, Aztec1984 said:

That and recruiting. Utah's FB coach mentioned recruiting specifically. Players like to play a couple of games in front of friends and family and they also want their F&F to be able to see them on TV. Finally, if the PAC doesn't take SDSU the B12 surely will.  I can't see the PAC allowing that to happen in their own backyard. 

SDSU has never stolen 4 or 5 star recruits from the PAC. If they are added, they will get their share and dilute the PAC talent pool further.

As to playing in front of family, that's called scheduling. The Aztecs have played ever PAC Schooal sans USC and Nike in the last decade. Lots of chances for SD kids to play at home.

[Spaztecs]

On 1/11/2023 at 2:05 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

So what? Your take on this stuff suggests you were born yesterday.

Thems the facts, Jack.

As much as I would like to see the Aztecs in this version of the PAC, they bring minimal value.

Get over yourself 

[AztecSU]

On 1/11/2023 at 2:06 PM, Spaztecs said:

SDSU has never stolen 4 or 5 star recruits from the PAC. If they are added, they will get their share and dilute the PAC talent pool further.

As to playing in front of family, that's called scheduling. The Aztecs have played ever PAC Schooal sans USC and Nike in the last decade. Lots of chances for SD kids to play at home.

San Diego's best talent is already going to the BIG/SEC...surprised you don't know that. 

[e-zone99]

On 1/11/2023 at 12:57 PM, AztecSU said:

Multiple industry insiders are predicting a CBS/PAC deal...less are saying they will also have an ESPN deal for late night games. I think they end up with both. If you look at who gets most of the big CBS selections in the MW 2 of those 3 teams are likely going to be in another conference by the time the MW renews its deal. 

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2022/12/19/Insiders/sports-media.aspx

Notice that it says "that will lead the Pac12 to sell ALOMST IT'S ENTIRE MEDIA PACKAGE TO AMAZON" and "a HANDFUL OF PRIME-TIME FOOTBALL GAMES that it then will sell to CBS."

That write up from John Ourand was on December 19th or getting close to a month ago, yet nothing happened yet with the Pac's media deal.  Maybe some schools are not comfortable with almost all of their media package going to Amazon.  Also it might be a little hard to get all of the Pac10 schools to sign a GOR (Oregon would not commit to signing a GOR a while back when asked if they would).

The other little dirty Pac secret (they don't share this with the public) is that the Pac takes one full share of the Pac's media monies for operating expresses (as far I know they are the only conference in the Country that does this).  Thus, the Pac12 has been splitting media monies by 13 instead of 12.  That's main reason why you always feel the conference distributions seem smaller than they should be (lowest of all the P5 conferences).  So do you think the Pac10 offices are going say we don't need a full share anymore?

[AztecSU]

On 1/11/2023 at 2:41 PM, e-zone99 said:

Notice that it says "that will lead the Pac12 to sell ALOMST IT'S ENTIRE MEDIA PACKAGE TO AMAZON" and "a HANDFUL OF PRIME-TIME FOOTBALL GAMES that it then will sell to CBS."

That write up from John Ourand was on December 19th or getting close to a month ago, yet nothing happened yet with the Pac's media deal.  Maybe some schools are not comfortable with almost all of their media package going to Amazon.  Also it might be a little hard to get all of the Pac10 schools to sign a GOR (Oregon would not commit to signing a GOR a while back when asked if they would).

The other little dirty Pac secret (they don't share this with the public) is that the Pac takes one full share of the Pac's media monies for operating expresses (as far I know they are the only conference in the Country that does this).  Thus, the Pac12 has been splitting media monies by 13 instead of 12.  That's main reason why you always feel the conference distributions seem smaller than they should be (lowest of all the P5 conferences).  So do you think the Pac10 offices are going say we don't need a full share anymore?

They are his predictions for 2023 which is only 11 days old lol. 

Others in the industry have further scoffed at the idea ESPN would not specifically want 4th window games from the PAC as well. Given the lack of alternatives at the moment I’m inclined to believe that. 

If Amazon is the partner doubtful the PACnet goes on in the same way. So I’m not expecting distributions to include the Conf office for operating costs. 

[e-zone99]

On 1/11/2023 at 3:50 PM, AztecSU said:

They are his predictions for 2023 which is only 11 days old lol. 

Others in the industry have further scoffed at the idea ESPN would not specifically want 4th window games from the PAC as well. Given the lack of alternatives at the moment I’m inclined to believe that. 

If Amazon is the partner doubtful the PACnet goes on in the same way. So I’m not expecting distributions to include the Conf office for operating costs. 

Sorry I forgot the media companies don't business the last half of December according to good old George and they needed to wait for Prime to be hired at Colorado.

[818SUDSFan]

On 1/11/2023 at 11:57 AM, AztecSU said:

Multiple industry insiders are predicting a CBS/PAC deal...less are saying they will also have an ESPN deal for late night games. I think they end up with both. If you look at who gets most of the big CBS selections in the MW 2 of those 3 teams are likely going to be in another conference by the time the MW renews its deal. 

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2022/12/19/Insiders/sports-media.aspx

That article is almost four weeks old.

If college conferences were animals, the Pac would be their snail.

[AztecSU]

On 1/12/2023 at 5:35 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

That article is almost four weeks old.

If college conferences were animals, the Pac would be their snail.

It’s been 3 weeks. One of which was the week between Xmas and new years. Stop with the drama. 

[utenation]

On 1/11/2023 at 3:41 PM, e-zone99 said:

Notice that it says "that will lead the Pac12 to sell ALOMST IT'S ENTIRE MEDIA PACKAGE TO AMAZON" and "a HANDFUL OF PRIME-TIME FOOTBALL GAMES that it then will sell to CBS."

That write up from John Ourand was on December 19th or getting close to a month ago, yet nothing happened yet with the Pac's media deal.  Maybe some schools are not comfortable with almost all of their media package going to Amazon.  Also it might be a little hard to get all of the Pac10 schools to sign a GOR (Oregon would not commit to signing a GOR a while back when asked if they would).

The other little dirty Pac secret (they don't share this with the public) is that the Pac takes one full share of the Pac's media monies for operating expresses (as far I know they are the only conference in the Country that does this).  Thus, the Pac12 has been splitting media monies by 13 instead of 12.  That's main reason why you always feel the conference distributions seem smaller than they should be (lowest of all the P5 conferences).  So do you think the Pac10 offices are going say we don't need a full share anymore?

You realize the P12 fired the last commissioner right? And wiped out a lot of fat/expenses in the home office? You realize pretty much all of the P12 network infrastructure is now paid for right?

 The new guy at the request of school presidents was assigned to clean up the mess. It’s early and he has a lot to prove. 
 

But hey, don’t let me get in the way of your doom and gloom campaign. I’ve always been amazed that BYU fans know all the inside info and what’s best for the P12. 

[RSF]

On 1/12/2023 at 8:11 PM, utenation said:

You realize the P12 fired the last commissioner right? And wiped out a lot of fat/expenses in the home office? You realize pretty much all of the P12 network infrastructure is now paid for right?

 The new guy at the request of school presidents was assigned to clean up the mess. It’s early and he has a lot to prove. 
 

 

There's a fair amount of costs in producing all those live events, too.  Which is why ESPN pawned all those costs off on the AAC in their last deal.  Another reason why retaining ownership of P12N was ill-conceived.

[FresnoStateBulldogFan]

On 1/10/2023 at 4:31 PM, e-zone99 said:

But the real question is, why would BYU be even remotely interested in joining the Pac?  

BYU has the biggest Hard on for Utah and have little man syndrome. 

[utenation]

On 1/12/2023 at 9:22 PM, RSF said:

There's a fair amount of costs in producing all those live events, too.  Which is why ESPN pawned all those costs off on the AAC in their last deal.  Another reason why retaining ownership of P12N was ill-conceived.

Yep. A very dumb idea. We should have partnered up and we had our chances to. But I know for a fact P12 expenses are leaner and meaner these days. They also plan on moving the HQ from overpriced downtown San Francisco to Vegas. Worst case, they continue to work remote.  SF lease ends in June. 
 

They did broom a lot of dead weight and trimmed the fat.  But we will see how this shakes out in payout per team. 

[utenation]

On 1/12/2023 at 10:38 PM, FresnoStateBulldogFan said:

BYU has the biggest Hard on for Utah and have little man syndrome. 

Nailed it.  Between Utah leaving them in the dust in 2010 and the P12 never wanting BYU, it’s easy to see why all these sour grapes BYU fans are desperate for the P12 to fail.  They want revenge. 

[doggystyleu2]

On 1/7/2023 at 8:31 PM, Nevada Convert said:

Yeah, but your penis is still small. 

You know what size you like , correct?

[e-zone99]

On 1/12/2023 at 10:38 PM, FresnoStateBulldogFan said:

BYU has the biggest Hard on for Utah and have little man syndrome. 

I could careless about Utah and have no problem with Utah staying in the Pac.  I just don't want BYU in the Pac, never did and never have wanted that (bad fit for BYU, always has been).   I've always felt BYU was a much better fit in the Big12 (Big8).

[e-zone99]

On 1/12/2023 at 7:11 PM, utenation said:

You realize the P12 fired the last commissioner right? And wiped out a lot of fat/expenses in the home office? You realize pretty much all of the P12 network infrastructure is now paid for right?

 The new guy at the request of school presidents was assigned to clean up the mess. It’s early and he has a lot to prove. 
 

But hey, don’t let me get in the way of your doom and gloom campaign. I’ve always been amazed that BYU fans know all the inside info and what’s best for the P12. 

So do really feel like the Pac is well managed?   Once the that paste is out of the tube (giving the conference a full share for operating expenses) it's going to be very hard to put it back in...