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If you clock on the lobby from the main menu of forums, you'll see it. 

I have no idea why it's happening, but I'm almost certain I'll be blamed for it. Something about censoring conservatives. 

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On 12/2/2022 at 3:32 AM, retrofade said:

If you clock on the lobby from the main menu of forums, you'll see it. 

I have no idea why it's happening, but I'm almost certain I'll be blamed for it. Something about censoring conservatives. 

Haha.  Well to be honest I thought Jackson just smartly recognized it was a mess and needed burning to the ground. 

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On 12/2/2022 at 8:58 AM, GoDogs22 said:

I thought maybe it finally got nuked from orbit. It needs to be anyway

@retrofade. Small suggestion. How about you insert some hard drive destroying Malware that puts these images on repeat for these unsuspecting users?

Since you are going to get blamed anyways, might as well make it fun and tear some shit up.

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I have not poked in to the Diner in a while. But it looks like all posts from the last two days (even in older threads) are now VIP only.

People now have to pay to argue there? Well if Musk wants Twitter arguments on a subscription model I guess The Diner can do the same.

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On 12/2/2022 at 11:56 AM, FresnoFacts said:

I have not poked in to the Diner in a while. But it looks like all posts from the last two days (even in older threads) are now VIP only.

People now have to pay to argue there? Well if Musk wants Twitter arguments on a subscription model I guess The Diner can do the same.

It gets marked VIP if there are any posts in the thread that are VIP only. There are some, as it looks like Jackson was perhaps trying to hide that forum. God knows I've asked him enough times... I just don't have the time or energy to play babysitter to a bunch of grown men who can't be civil towards each other.

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On 12/2/2022 at 8:56 AM, FresnoFacts said:

I have not poked in to the Diner in a while. But it looks like all posts from the last two days (even in older threads) are now VIP only.

People now have to pay to argue there? Well if Musk wants Twitter arguments on a subscription model I guess The Diner can do the same.

I think that was done to keep Lu’s posts from seeing the light of day and killing recruiting.  

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On 12/2/2022 at 10:13 AM, retrofade said:

It gets marked VIP if there are any posts in the thread that are VIP only. There are some, as it looks like Jackson was perhaps trying to hide that forum. God knows I've asked him enough times... I just don't have the time or energy to play babysitter to a bunch of grown men who can't be civil towards each other.

In The Lobby, the whole Diner now is marked VIP just like Insider and Archive. I guess that is the way Jackson chose to hide/limit it.

You should not have to babysit. I don't mind a good discussion with someone who has a different opinion. But the Diner became home to a group of angry, grumpy old (and young) men looking to be keyboard warriors.

Unfortunately for Jackson it spilled over a few times to the main board and made me limit my visits to the site.

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On 12/2/2022 at 2:13 PM, FresnoFacts said:

In The Lobby, the whole Diner now is marked VIP just like Insider and Archive. I guess that is the way Jackson chose to hide/limit it.

You should not have to babysit. I don't mind a good discussion with someone who has a different opinion. But the Diner became home to a group of angry, grumpy old (and young) men looking to be keyboard warriors.

Unfortunately for Jackson it spilled over a few times to the main board and made me limit my visits to the site.

Yeah, copter and I are only two people. We tried to tamp down on people letting things spill over to other sections... I've lost track of the amount of threads I've had to delete 10-15 posts out of them just to clean them up.  

It's showing VIP because there are some VIP only posts in there. I don't think Jackson get all of the settings right. I don't have a way to edit any of that stuff over there. 

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On 12/2/2022 at 12:01 PM, retrofade said:

Yeah, copter and I are only two people. We tried to tamp down on people letting things spill over to other sections... I've lost track of the amount of threads I've had to delete 10-15 posts out of them just to clean them up.  

It's showing VIP because there are some VIP only posts in there. I don't think Jackson get all of the settings right. I don't have a way to edit any of that stuff over there. 

 

You two work hard to try to keep the site going. But too many people over there have developed personal grudges that spill into every interaction instead of a sportsmanship type view of win/lose that time then shake hands and move on. Instead it is a grudge atmosphere that sometimes spills across the site even with just sniping that becomes a waste of my time to read.

 

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On 12/2/2022 at 1:23 PM, FresnoFacts said:

 

You two work hard to try to keep the site going. But too many people over there have developed personal grudges that spill into every interaction instead of a sportsmanship type view of win/lose that time then shake hands and move on. Instead it is a grudge atmosphere that sometimes spills across the site even with just sniping that becomes a waste of my time to read.

 

Wow, that’s a lot of drama. 

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Well the Diner is no longer VIP only but, to my knowledge, there has never been an explanation as to why or who made the change in the first place.  And why and who switched it back.

It never made sense to me.  Jackson makes money (I presume) from engagement so why limit engagement?  Nobody is going to become VIP just so they can post in the Diner -- if anything, a few people might drop VIP in protest.  And making it VIP didn't serve a pro-liberal or pro-conservative agenda as neither political affiliation nor ideology are furthered by being or not being VIP. 

So far, we are all still in the dark but, no matter, life -- however distorted, contorted or should have been aborted -- goes on in the Diner.

____________________________________________...

After deleting some of my posts and closing the offending SteveAztec thread, a couple of elites have been able to open it long enough to respond to me anyway.  And since I can’t respond on a closed thread, here is my response…

Other than the initial inquiry, this has never been about letting Steve post again; I doubt that he even wants to post here.  My complaint is about his treatment on this board and the failure of admins to control attacks on him – and worse, to sometimes participate in those attacks.

Steve was first banned on the SDSU board.  When he was banned, it was a sufficiently controversial that they started what became an 8 page thread on the topic to justify the decision (https://aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/9747/steve-aztec-longer-member-board).  It is clear that Steve had support in the community and there was some criticism for the Board Administrators for having failed to “expel the dozens of people who've been taunting him.”  (And take a look at the thread that I bumped; initially it was supporters happy about Steve getting a radio show.  Then the haters arrived.)

I can’t say if Steve took it too far in response, but I will say that he denies most of various accusations and adds important missing context to others.  But I wasn’t a party to any of the events and can’t say who is in the right and who is in the wrong.  And I have to admit that if half of what has been said about him is true, depending on context, I might well have banned him too.  Or more likely I might have banned those who were taunting him.  (Steve had lost a brother-in-law to suicide and there have been a number of memes of people blowing their brains out, as well as posts blaming Steve or his sister for the suicide – and admins apparently let it go.)

I am in no position to evaluate the truth or falsity of the laundry list of claims made on this board about how Steve responded to all this.  My complaint, however, is about his treatment on this board.  I may be wrong, but his banning on this board at least appears to have been less about what he did on this board and more a carryover from the SDSU banning.  The same taunting continued – more suicide memes – apparently ignored by the admins. Utenation supposedly posted the first and it is explained away because he didn’t know about the suicide.  But was the post taken down?  Was an apology issued?   Indeed, for years, admins on this board have allowed Steve to be vilified based on little more than anecdotal hearsay.  This is a privately owned board, but it is not a private board – anyone can join.  And more than that, It’s not an anonymous board; people know who Steve.  You have a duty to protect your posters from libelous statements and unproven allegations -- especially when, having been banned themselves, they have no ability to defend themselves.

Even Retrofade (who says he’s not a mod but can post to closed threads) put up a “blowing his brains out” meme several years ago.  He knew that Steve lost his brother-in-law to suicide, and he now says that “Steve is a mentally disturbed individual”, which is libelous by the way, but excuses his meme as nothing more than being in “poor taste”.  Apparently it is okay with the board's current admins to taunt a "mentally disturbed person" because the post has never been taken down.  The poster has never been admonished.  And there has been no apology, unless you consider "he deserved it" to be an apology.

In my view, you owe Steve an apology for the treatment that you have tolerated and, in some cases, engaged in.  A former Aztec board went out of business when sued (not by Steve).  It won’t be the last one.  You need to fix this.  You need to administer your board and prevent libelous and incendiary attacks -- hearsay-- on posters. 

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On 12/2/2022 at 4:23 PM, FresnoFacts said:

 

You two work hard to try to keep the site going. But too many people over there have developed personal grudges that spill into every interaction instead of a sportsmanship type view of win/lose that time then shake hands and move on. Instead it is a grudge atmosphere that sometimes spills across the site even with just sniping that becomes a waste of my time to read.

 

It's quite unfortunate that it happens on such a regular basis. There's a cadre of people who will go after any and everyone whose politics they disagree with, in basically every thread they can find. It's freaking tiresome, and that's coming from someone that's been running forums since 1999. 

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On 12/7/2022 at 9:25 AM, Yoda said:

Well the Diner is no longer VIP only but, to my knowledge, there has never been an explanation as to why or who made the change in the first place.  And why and who switched it back.

It never made sense to me.  Jackson makes money (I presume) from engagement so why limit engagement?  Nobody is going to become VIP just so they can post in the Diner -- if anything, a few people might drop VIP in protest.  And making it VIP didn't serve a pro-liberal or pro-conservative agenda as neither political affiliation nor ideology are furthered by being or not being VIP. 

So far, we are all still in the dark but, no matter, life -- however distorted, contorted or should have been aborted -- goes on in the Diner.

I don't think anyone knows what happened to be honest. 

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