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2 minutes ago, Wyobraska said:
They play in a little dome that has a 10,500 seat capacity.
Depends on if the NCAA keeps that 15,000 minimum attendance rule going forward after the coming changes to the NCAA.
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17 minutes ago, Ram1554 said:
EWU has been talking about dropping athletics for a couple years now.
https://www.kxly.com/stay-division-i-drop-football-ewu-weighing-options-for-athletic-department/
Not happening. It's just the faculty throwing a hissy fit over a planned renovation to the football stadium that would remove the running tracks along with a shiny new red turf playing field.
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18 minutes ago, Wyobraska said:
Except if SDSU and Boise left it probably wouldn't be. You aren't making any sense.
It will still depend on if the MWC can offer more $$$ even after those two leave but I would think they remain in the WCC after all.
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1 minute ago, Wyobraska said:
So why would they ever move in the first place if this was a potential problem?
If the $$$ is greater on the other side of the fence.
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1 hour ago, Wyobraska said:
What if Boise and SDSU leave?
Their problem.
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1 minute ago, Wyobraska said:
For all of the people that keep suggesting that the MW adds Gonzaga, why would Gonzaga make that move?
Why would they give up their stable, like minded peer institution conference in which they have considerable influence and power over, to move to the MW which at this time is unstable and there are a lot of questions regarding membership?
After AFA & CSU leave the MWC, there will be nine basketball members and adding Gonzaga will be a huge overall upgrade for basketball.
Them staying in the WCC would be a surprise at this point.
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7 minutes ago, Ibanez said:
MWC talked to FOX and CBS about adding schools but no school including SMU raised the media value so they are gonna stay at 10 football schools for now.
This is what I think the MWC needs to be doing. Getting rid of AFA is going to help the basketball perception of the MWC quite a bit and if the MWC adds Gonzaga...
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6 minutes ago, CPslograd said:
Pac12 will never add SDS . Has nothing to do with academics. It’s all about recruiting
Easy to say because SDSU never has been a tier 1 research school.
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3 minutes ago, Aztec1984 said:
That is my hope. CSU schools are, by their charter, now allowed to give PHd's without pairing with a UC or private school. It's a dumb rule but the UC schools don't want to give up this power. CSU schools are also prohibited from having a professional school, medical/law/veterinary as well. SDSU is the CSU school on steroids. We offer more doctorates than any other CSU school by far. We are in the second largest city in the state which has only UCSD (a very good STEM and medical institution) and USD (an overpriced Catholic school) that has a law school in the region.
CA isn't the only state to do it to the "state" schools. Colorado's law school is at CU, Kansas' law school is at KU, Oklahoma's law school is at OU, and Texas' law school is at UT. Same for the other Pac-12 states.
As for the vet school, it appears that UC Davis is the state's vet school. States are not going to fund multiple vet schools in the same state. Same for medical schools and the flagship schools in pretty much every state have the medical schools.
None of those issues you raised have any bearing on P5 conference membership standards. All you need to do for the most case is be in a large metropolitan area, be a tier 1 research school, and have the athletic budget to compete which right now I'd say close to $70M without the large media deals factored in.
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39 minutes ago, Aztec1984 said:
UAC, UCLA, Berkeley and Stanford won't allow SDSU to join their club. If they get raided where the BIG takes USC, WA, Oregon and one other school I still don't see the remainder want to include SDSU. If we get to the point of being a "Tier 1" school I don't think that changes. Yep, that is stupid. So is the fact that we still have to partner with UC or USC to offer doctorates and can't have a professional school. Ad for offering doctorates, we are already doing that work.
Those four Cali schools in the PAC has been able to keep a school like SDSU out for years solely because SDSU isn't up to par when it comes to research rankings and probably never has been which appears to be something that will change sooner than later.
If the Pac-12 judged on academics, you should be asking why ASU is in the conference after all. It's their tier 1 research that has them in the Pac-12 nothing else.
If the Cali schools still don't want SDSU in the conference, the Big 12 would be happy to take the Aztecs down the road. If you look at the list of tier 1 colleges that are not in P5 conferences, it's getting smaller.
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1 hour ago, Aztec1984 said:
I was both in the UC system as well as SDSU. The bigotry towards CSUs is real. SDSU has a better academic ranking than OSU and Wazzu and about on par with ASU. The Cal schools, both public an private, don't want a CSU school in their club.
The P5 conferences aren't interested in those academic rankings...more like whether you are a tier 1 research school or not. SDSU is not that (yet) while those Pac-12 schools plus CSU are tier 1 schools.
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17 minutes ago, Bob said:
This man gets it.
Both CU & CSU are getting more students from back east. I can see why CSU is looking eastward in this case.
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4 hours ago, Spaztecs said:
Laramie, Logan, and Reno are massive metros the MW has exploited for tv eyeballs
Laramie & Logan would be considered rural in this case.
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11 minutes ago, jdgaucho said:
MW wants into Texas. The new WAC has several members ripe for the picking.
None of those WAC Texas schools fit the MWC school profile. They are in more rural areas as opposed to urban areas like the MWC & Pac-12 schools are located in. Think the WAC being the west's version of the Sun Belt Conference.
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10 minutes ago, Wyobraska said:
Im still not seeing why people should pay attention in regards to MW realignment.
WAC still has their FBS charter and they could decide to move up from FCS later this decade. McNeese State was one of those programs being talked about making the jump about 10-20 years ago.
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Something to keep an eye on:
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1 hour ago, RebelAlliance said:
I always understood that the move to the PAC had nothing to with sports and everything to do with culture and where both the school's alumni base and non-Colorado student pool was located.
It was a purely business move and something that should have been done back in 1994.
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5 hours ago, Pelado said:
Not good enough for the MAC? The MW should jump on that opportunity right away!
NDSU might be too good for the MAC. The MAC thought the same way with Youngstown State in the 1990's. They are just scared of a FCS team coming and setting the MAC world upside down. The money difference between the MVFC/Summit and the MAC might be nil so what's the point?
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6 minutes ago, uteAggie said:
Any Dakota school that jumps to FBS needs to just join the MAC and be happy about it.
The MAC has to send out the invite and it doesn't sound like it would happen for NDSU.
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24 minutes ago, wolfpack1 said:
And after for quite a while CU positioning themselves to get into the Pac-10 from the Big-12 I don't see them leaving after all that work to get into a conference that fits them better you know unless they have to leave
CU is not leaving the Pac-12 anytime soon. CU was able to pump in $200M+ towards football & athletic facilities since making the move which would have not been possible had the Buffs stayed in the Big 12. A full or partial rebuild of Folsom Field is probably next and will happen perhaps during the next Pac-12 media contract.
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2 hours ago, RebelAlliance said:
And how do you build up USC, UCLA, Stanford, Colorado and UW back into national brands? By continuing to do what hasn't been working for almost twenty years? Or by gaining access to the nation's most profitable conference, most widely watched conference network and becoming relevant to a high population part of the country that still cares about college football? The 21 team B1G would have 5 legitimate bluebloods and another six or seven programs that have had high points where they've competed for national titles in recent decades. To that, you can add 20 AAU schools with combined endowments and annual research funding that would make that of the SEC look like couch cushion change in comparison. PRESTIGE WORLDWIDE! Investors? Possibly you!
Or they could just keep doing what's put them in their current predicament. Maybe it'll work next year.
I can speak as a Buffs fan since 1989. It starts at the top and right now the administration couldn't give a hoot about football. The rest of the Pac-12 is very much like that. The new Pac-12 commissioner has already told all the Pac-12 presidents they need to get serious about football & basketball.
When CU was in the Big 12, CU's administration was noticeably more serious about football because that is how the rest of the conference operated.
Let's say the company you keep does strongly influence how you want to go about things such as football & basketball.
I'm ready for CU to get out of the Pac-12 as soon as possible but that would mean leaving over 100,000+ living alumni on the west coast behind which isn't good for the bottom line of the school itself.
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8 hours ago, Spaztecs said:
Maybe NDSU should go Indy, play an NMSU type schedule, a couple of body bag paydays, playing the same teams twice, filling out your schedule with the other G5 Indies. Whatever it takes.
See how you hold up. If you show a pulse, like Liberty, a Conference will come calling.
I wish your program well. They remind me of San Diego State in the 60's and 70's. Albeit we went Indy in the early 70's leaving the PCAA behind, we still played the PCAA teams and 3-4 WAC teams until we got into the WAC.
NDSU could go indy but the NCAA requires any school that moves up to FBS must join a FBS conference right away. Just look at UMass, UConn, and NMSU. The new WAC is already talking about moving up to FBS and if that happens, NMSU will be part of that conference. I think Liberty was granted an exemption due to their unique situation but the ASUN, like the WAC, is going to look into going up to FBS.
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5 hours ago, Spaztecs said:
They do it for Hockey and probably LaCrosse as well. Why not Football ?
That is something that needs to be done for football. With those football only conferences, the geographical areas could get more spread out because you are going to only be traveling five to six times a given season whereas the other sports will be travelling at least twice as much. Let's say the Pac-12 football conference stays put for example along with the MWC football conference. That means there could easily be four maybe five non-football conferences.
Front Range: Wyoming, CSU, CU, AFA, UNM, NMSU, UTEP, UA, and ASU.
Northwest: UW, WSU, UO, OSU, Boise State, USU, Utah, and BYU. Gonzaga could join.
West coast: Stanford, Cal, Frenso, SJSU, UCLA, USC, SDSU, UNLV, and UNR.
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Just now, Herdbot said:
When it's meant to be it will happen. I just hope we're ready to move when the time is right. I just really like the Mountain West and I'm envious of how the Sunbelt is coming along
What really pisses me off is the rare FBS game we get, our payout is like 600k. That what Oregon paid us (for the cancelled covid game)
Then Wyoming gets a Texas game and they get 1.8 million. Not because they are way better than us, but because they have the FBS moniker behind them.
That's a lot of money for a schools budget. Just that 1.2 million dollar difference would be enough to fund the extra 22 scholarships and give our coaches a nice raise to retain them
Sorry for the long discussion. I just have a gut feeling something is up when our AD declines comment on mediareports. That's rare for him
I enjoyed the discussion this evening.
The SEC pays their FCS opponents garbage so the other conferences follow along. Has been that way for years and I don't expect that conference to change their ways because of their greed.
It's still amazing how far NDSU has gone from their D2 NCC days to where they are at right now. To think about it, Central Florida used to be D3(!) and now they are going to the Big 12. There will be different opinions of whether NDSU can really move up to FBS so despite my knowledge of how conferences determine membership based on research tier rankings, money, and enrollment numbers, it's possible that NDSU is just ready to move up when the right opportunity comes if it isn't there today.
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Conference Realignment thread
in MWC Sports Forum
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I'm sure there are good stuff in the pipeline for SDSU.
Within the Pac-12, I think the argument that the California Four schools have for keeping SDSU out is becoming harder for them to sustain and once that new football stadium is open for five years, the non-CA Pac-12 schools will be looking at the California Four and wondering what the heck they were thinking. More exposure to their alumni in CA is a big deal for those non-CA Pac-12 schools.