sactowndog

2 minutes ago, Billings said:

reading the deseret news just for giggles this am.  very surprised at how many byu fans are talking about rejoining the mwc.  no way it happens but the comments were surprising to me.  

They need to before their program sinks to oblivion.   You can’t run a program with no end goal in sight but a third tier bowl game.  

Fresno to UNLV after last years upset loss.

19 hours ago, Akkula said:

That make sense to an extent but you have to remember that we already have de facto 100% coverage in the USA because providers have to treat patients even if they can't pay.  So the consequences of your not carrying insurance is that you would still get the treatment.  The problem that we currently have is that everyone has de facto coverage but not everyone is paying the premium so we have a lot of free riders who are getting "free" insurance.  The middle class is really the ones getting screwed because they have a lot to lose if they have to declare bankruptcy due to medical bills if they can't get coverage for their pre-existing conditions.  The "insurance" we get is really largely insurance from financial ruin if you have a medical issue as much as it is for getting treatment.  The poor can't get poorer and will receive charity care and the rich have so much money a big hospital bill isn't a huge issue. 

You are assuming I would require hospitals to treat the uninsured.  I wouldn’t. 

On 10/23/2018 at 7:40 PM, soupslam1 said:

You are wrong. I am retired, but continued my wife’s insurance who has a myriad of health issues at $1,000 per month so I fully understand what you are talking about. You do what you have to do. I’m against people that are irresponsible, carry no insurance, get sick, and then want to sign up and expect insurance companies to cover them. 

I agree.  We should be against either side gaming the system.   The answer is seems pretty obvious.   If you have paid for health insurance, companies should not be able to game the system once you have an illness by excluding pre-existing conditions.  Conversely, you shouldn’t be allowed to pay nothing and then get insurance when you need it.   

If you want to go without insurance you gamble with being excluded with a pre-existing condition.   It’s what should have been in the bill in the first place except Republicans were too busy trying to get Obama one termed instead of doing what was right for the country.   

15 hours ago, soupslam1 said:

There are also many that are paid under the table in cash, pay no taxes normally withdrawn from your paycheck, and send the money back to Mexico. My in laws pay their gardener and maid that way, which is why they like illegals. 

Schools are largely funded by property taxes and sales taxes.   

On 10/25/2018 at 1:45 PM, soupslam1 said:

Would you please give the racist crap a rest. No one gives a damn what color the invaders are. We just don’t want them overwhelming our schools, hospitals, social services, etc. without paying like the rest of us do. 

Burning the American flag and chanting +++++ Trump on the way up here doesn’t exactly make them good guests. How would you react if someone knocked on your front door and demanded you house and feed them and take care of their medical costs? 

Except many of them do pay the taxes that fund schools.   But carryon, no point letting facts get in the way of your story.   

On 10/23/2018 at 4:19 PM, BSUTOP25 said:

Whoa ... You single? Cause @sactowndog digs this sort of thing. 

Classic comment.  

In my opinion this whole caravan shit is paid actors funded by the Republican Party to get out the vote with their base.   Anyone else suspicious of the timing?

13 hours ago, godogsgo said:

for once, I think they've overestimated the score differential for FS.  I think Hawaii turns it around and plays us tough.

Hawaii always plays us tough.  I expect a very close game.   

6 hours ago, TheDoggFather said:

I think they spell it "pupu" on the Islands.

Does it accept a screwdriver?

21 minutes ago, SangerBulldog said:

i just saw that have a loss to penn state so not sure who they beat really. and a game cancelled. granted we haven't beat anyone worthy either.

Funny enough our toughest games other than the road trip to Minnesota may well be SDSU, Boise St and if we get there Utah State.   

10 minutes ago, modestobulldog said:

Sacto, you are crossing into Trump Derangement Syndrome.  Hatred will mess you up, let it go.

Not at all.  One of my better friends is a Trumper no hatred here.   But he also regularly loses to me in political bets because he gets all his news from Fox News.  

The facts in this case are simple:

1) She claimed to have Native American heritage
2) She submitted to a DNA test to prove it
3) The DNA test shows she has Native America heritage

How much is irrelevant the statement is still true.  Whether others have more or less is irrelevant the statement is still true.  Whether some parent made a statement about Indian blood is irrelevant the statement is still true.  

As much as you want to dismiss or ignore the facts, they are still the facts.   It is also why I spend less and less time on politics these days.  Neither side can have an honest discussion, look at the facts and come to any factual based agreement.  Instead they point to made up science, some unsubstantiated statement or accusations that aren't supported by facts at all.  It is all about winning by whatever means the greater number of fools in this country will believe.   

1) Fresno St.
2) USU
3) BSU
4) SDSU

5)Nevada
6) Hawaii
7) AFA
8) CSU
9) NM
 

10) WYO
11) UNLV
12) SJS

New Mexico after 2 years of facing the Fresno Defense

2 minutes ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

Indeed.

Big props to San Jose State. Out-played the Aztecs and deserved to have won.

Brennan may not be a great coach but I continue to be impressed with how he gets his guys to play hard.

Perhaps he is a will be a better coach than we anticipate. 

3 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

You can’t have one without the other.

Nah you have basically merged two systems.

2 minutes ago, Rofl_copter_dos said:

New Mexico player was across the line before the snap on the field goal fuller missed and no officials caught it, the officiating was just bad all around lmao.

MWC officials bad????   Shocked I am.  Just shocked!! 

14 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Well that’s what socialism is.

Based on?  Did anyone tell the Europeans? 

3 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

The government would own the land, the cotton, and the shirt you produce. You would receive compensation for producing the shirt by the government based on how much you produced, just as the cotton provider would for working the land.

Sure if all those aspects of the economy were socialized.  I don’t believe it is an all or nothing proposition

9 hours ago, Akkula said:

This is bad info.   You must not have read the correction by wapo on this talking point. 

The don’t care.  Trumpers lost any connection with or ability to recognize the truth a long time ago.

1 hour ago, Boise fan said:

According to Merriam-Webster, socialism is government control of all aspects of business.  It's also the elimination of private property.  If there is no private property, then there really can't be private enterprise.  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

That's why I'm upset with Sanders and others who are co-opting the word and trying to suggest "democratic socialism" is like "socialism lite". No, a turd is a turd.  Distance yourself from it and don't put lipstick on it hoping it will convince undecideds.  It works more as a repellent.  Especially since the right has pushed so hard to label anything they don't like "socialist" to demonize it.

There are some good ideas that won't get any real traction because they choose to use that word.  Huge mistake.

I understand that historically there have been varying definitions of what socialism means.  To some it doesn't mean total government ownership, just regulation in order to manipulate the fair distribution of income.  And private property isn't restricted.   But we live in America.  And if liberals want to govern, they had better stop wasting time and effort trying to convince Americans of a definition of socialism that isn't widely accepted here today, and instead distance themselves from the term and combat the right's labeling campaign. 

 

Here is the definition you posted:

: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

means of production is defined as:

The means of production of a society include all of the physical elements, aside from human beings, that go into producing goods and services, including the natural resources, machines, tools, offices, computers, and means of distribution, such as stores and the internet. The means of production have changed over time, but the concept is an important element in discussions of how wealth is created and maintained. 

The central question to your point is when does ownership occur.   If I’m producing shirts and I buy the cotton do I own the means of production?  The answer is clearly yes because I purchased and own the cotton the serves as raw material.   In your model, I would have to own the land.  But the land is a means of production for the cotton provider not the shirt provider.   

18 hours ago, dshawfan said:

That's what the officials at the command center say. In the Pac's explanation, they say he called in to express his opinion only, but they thought since he was their boss that they had to follow his opinion. I guess it could've gone down like that, but call me skeptical....

Not surprised the PAC is dirty.  You should see how the UC’s operated when the Cal States tried to get approval to add doctoral degrees in applied fields. 

12 hours ago, CV147 said:

I don't get it. They say they will be giving 1 million acre feet to the central valley. What is idiotic?

I think the question is from where does the water originate.    Perhaps in rainy seasons we could store more water but if you don’t have the water in the first place having more containers won’t matter.   

I don’t have the data so I can’t say if it makes a difference or not.   

8 hours ago, Boise fan said:

Being funded by the government doesn't make it socialist.  The definition incorporates government ownership of production and distribution.

I guess you're blind or couldn't comprehend the statements I made earlier.  Private enterprise builds and supplies schools.  Ergo, it is not socialism.

I’m trying to follow your definition that all elements of the value chain must be government owned to be a socialist endeavor.   Logically that would mean almost all of the economy would need to be government owned production and distribution for any of it.   The means of production does not mean all inputs into the value chain.   Even government entities can and should outsource parts of their value chain to focus and deliver their core value. 

17 hours ago, happycamper said:

Dude she is less indian than the MEDIAN white person in the US. 

JFC I didn't believe these guys would defend her after this but frick they must be real dumb

Tough.  Her statement that she had Native American Ancestry is still accurate.   And she released DNA to prove it.   

22 hours ago, Aslowhiteguy said:

Umm, that isn't racist.  It's not even that funny. 

Perhaps the libshits are now going to call any mocking of Lyin' Liz, "racist."

 

How exactly is she lying?  She said she had Native American ancestry and she proved it.  Not a huge Liz fan but she doesn’t strike me as the lying type unlike some Presidents and Senators you support.