On 12/1/2023 at 1:43 PM, bornontheblue said:

@sactowndog you have been absolutely owned in this thread by @halfmanhalfbronco and it has been absolutely hilarious to watch. I would be real careful posting anything more,  less HMHB comes in here and makes you look like a complete fool again. 

HMHB V Qanondog

 

 

Haha well given whenever you say something the truth is generally the opposite……

thanks! 

On 12/1/2023 at 12:56 AM, Nevada Convert said:

How do you know? You don’t. The only numbers are coming from Hamas. You’re the that likes to lick Hamas’s balls. 

No the UN agencies in the south have confirmed it.  Meanwhile….

On 12/1/2023 at 12:32 AM, Nevada Convert said:

Fvck the pope. I have respect for the pope if they appoint one that stays out of partisan politics. Nobody knows how many people have been killed in Gaza, not even Hamas. Hamas does know how many shields they’ve killed, but that’s not Israel’s problem. Shield’s are going to die.

I haven’t seen one person in this thread call for Hamas to release the shields, stop killing them and let them go south. For the Palestinians that can go south and don’t and then get killed, their stupidity killed themselves. 

Sadly people going south are still being killed but keep pumping Likud propaganda. You would fit in nicely with them.  

On 11/30/2023 at 6:56 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

The Pope is dope.  He does not have the scholarly chops of Benedict, but his compassion for all humanity is sincere and remarkable. 

Popes are not perfect.  Also, not an accurate quote from Sactown.  Surprised I am sure.

The actual quote as reported "This is what wars do. But here we have gone beyond wars. This is not war. This is terrorism,".  A lot of ambiguity in that statement, and far from the Pope calling the actions of the IDF actions of terrorism.  Demands for clarification have been made.  

Haha.  You act like I created the summary.  The essence is the same 

On 11/30/2023 at 4:46 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Yes.  They have made a good start with zero ethnic cleansing so far.

Have you forgiven Israel for not bombing hospitals yet?

You might want to tell your religious leader..

On 11/30/2023 at 1:46 PM, SharkTanked said:

And many of the fakes are also generated to increase support for HAMAS... from the article...

In some cases, photos from other conflicts or disasters have been repurposed and passed off as new. In others, generative AI programs have been used to create images from scratch, such as one of a baby crying amidst bombing wreckage that went viral in the conflict’s earliest days.

Other examples of AI-generated images include videos showing supposed Israeli missile strikes, or tanks rolling through ruined neighborhoods, or families combing through rubble for survivors.

 

In many cases, the fakes seem designed to evoke a strong emotional reaction by including the bodies of babies, children or families. In the bloody first days of the war, supporters of both Israel and Hamas alleged the other side had victimized children and babies; deepfake images of wailing infants offered photographic ‘evidence’ that was quickly held up as proof.

The propagandists who create such images are skilled at targeting people’s deepest impulses and anxieties, said Imran Ahmed, CEO of the Center for Countering Digital Hate, a nonprofit that has tracked disinformation from the war. Whether it’s a deepfake baby, or an actual image of an infant from another conflict, the emotional impact on the viewer is the same.

The more abhorrent the image, the more likely a user is to remember it and to share it, unwittingly spreading the disinformation further.

“People are being told right now: Look at this picture of a baby,” Ahmed said. “The disinformation is designed to make you engage with it.”

Sure I’m not disputing that fact and I read the articles.  

That all being true so is my point that the disinformation on the Likud side is also being coordinated with Doxxing attacks and charges of antisemitism.  I have seen numerous instances of it occurring as Likud tries to silence those who oppose them in the United States.  

On 11/29/2023 at 12:34 PM, SharkTanked said:

https://apnews.com/article/artificial-intelligence-hamas-israel-misinformation-ai-gaza-a1bb303b637ffbbb9cbc3aa1e000db47

Fake babies, real horror: Deepfakes from the Gaza war increase fears about AI’s power to mislead

BY DAVID KLEPPER

Updated 8:58 AM PST, November 28, 2023

WASHINGTON (AP) — Among images of the bombed out homes and ravaged streets of Gaza, some stood out for the utter horror: Bloodied, abandoned infants.

Viewed millions of times online since the war began, these images are deepfakes created using artificial intelligence. If you look closely you can see clues: fingers that curl oddly, or eyes that shimmer with an unnatural light — all telltale signs of digital deception.

The outrage the images were created to provoke, however, is all too real.

Pictures from the Israel-Hamas war have vividly and painfully illustrated AI’s potential as a propaganda tool, used to create lifelike images of carnage. Since the war began last month, digitally altered ones spread on social media have been used to make false claims about responsibility for casualties or to deceive people about atrocities that never happened.

While most of the false claims circulating online about the war didn’t require AI to create and came from more conventional sources, technological advances are coming with increasing frequency and little oversight. That’s made the potential of AI to become another form of weapon starkly apparent, and offered a glimpse of what’s to come during future conflicts, elections and other big events.

It’s not just creating fakes.  The fakes are then coordinated with a Doxxing campaign to attack anyone who tries to discredit them.  It is a state sponsored campaign you can watch unfold.  

On 11/30/2023 at 1:55 AM, grandjean87 said:

In the future.  The same is true for all spending in a flow of time.  

Yes. Related production stuff has been posted here this past few days.  I posted about hitting 13mp/d awhile back when the data came in.  Apparently, leading to supply recharging. 

Sure but GDP is a quarterly measure not a snapshot.  The same Macro podcast talked about much of the GDP growth has been driven by govt spending and private spending is in a recession.  I think it is in this podcast.  I think you would enjoy it.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/macro-voices/id1079172742?i=1000635722338
 

On 11/29/2023 at 2:26 PM, RSF said:

I see the the 1st amendment is just as misinterpreted as several others.  Just because you are free to say something doesnt mean you should, or are protected from potential consequences.  

 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The issue is when those were passed we had an agrarian society and government corporate partnerships whether you call it the deep state or military industrial complex or some other term did not exist.  What is worse is those relationships now also extend to foreign governments and provide to them a means to silence dissent.  

On 11/29/2023 at 2:06 PM, renoskier said:

then maybe people should think before they phucking speak  

We have been on the opposite side of this topic for years.  

1) I would agree if the comments are made in the context of work.  

2) I would agree if the comments are made via a platform that carries the workplace brand like Linkedin

3) I would agree if the job held was some type of public spokesperson or CEO role in which case they were a public face of the company.
 

Removed of the work context, activists with an agenda should not be able to inject the work environment as a means to inflict extrajudicial punishment on those with whom they disagree.  It’s a form of authoritarianism no less dangerous than what we see from Trump.  

On 11/29/2023 at 12:01 PM, UNLV2001 said:

 

Heard something on a macro economics podcast that US production was at an all time high.  It struck me as surprising and I haven’t had a chance to verify it.   

On 11/29/2023 at 12:28 PM, grandjean87 said:

I had to decipher the grammar, but transfer payments are not directly counted in GDP for a simple reason.  They represent no new production which is the P in the acronym.  

Sorry typing on phone in airport listening for boarding instructions. Wasn’t talking about transfer payments.  Was talking about the multiplier effect when govt initiates deficit spending that spending becomes wages which are spent on goods that also increases GDP.  

On 11/29/2023 at 9:07 AM, grandjean87 said:

Components of the expenditure method:

Yes though it doesn’t account for govt dollars flowing into consumers the spent on producers.  

On 11/29/2023 at 7:10 AM, grandjean87 said:

Micro vs Macro

Yes also govt spend vs not. 

On 11/29/2023 at 5:42 AM, grandjean87 said:

Up another 3% in 9 days.  2nd read of Q3 GDP w/Investment up and the consumer dipped slightly.  

"JUST IN: Second reading of Q3 2023 GDP comes in at +5.2%, above expectations of 4.9%.

This is up from the 4.9% reading seen in the first preliminary number.

If 5.2% is the final reading, it will mark the highest GDP growth since Q4 2022.

Can the Fed achieve a soft landing? -- @KobeissiLetter

Funny we work in the computer industry and it’s been a brutal quarter.  

On 11/28/2023 at 6:06 AM, HR_Poke said:

You aren't free from consequences of your speech.  I don't know what you don't seem to get about this.  

It’s not a lack of understanding on either side.  Let’s close this discussion.  We just disagree what should be included in our inalienable rights.   

On 11/27/2023 at 1:20 PM, thelawlorfaithful said:

Sit. The +++++. Down. You ignorant slut.

Lincoln and Wilson had people thrown in jail. Banished! John Adams killed the Federalist cause in part to the Alien and Sedition acts. There are laws still on the books from the Wilsonian era punishing political speech. Wilson’s successor defeated a third party candidate who was sitting in a jail cell for criticizing the government. 

And for the 100th time you can absolutely shout fire in a crowded theatre if there is a fire. The quote is “Falsely[/b shouting fire in a crowded theater”. The entire point being you aren’t allowed to lie to imminently endanger someone’s person or property from physical harm. And that ruling was overturned by Brandenburg!

And previous violations of rights is supposed to justify shutting people up now?  By the way you left out Roosevelt and internment camps in your list.  
 

many of your examples were during times of war.   Are we at war? 

On 11/27/2023 at 1:03 PM, HR_Poke said:

There is absolutely nothing preventing any of the doxed individuals from exercising any of their first amendment rights

Yeah sure there isn’t.  Just the threat of losing their jobs.   

On 11/27/2023 at 11:21 AM, HR_Poke said:

McCarthy was apart of the US government. Mossad is not. You don't seem to get the difference.

I get the difference and I get protections for this are not currently in our legal precedents.  What you miss is how easily this process can and will be abused to eliminate free speech is this country.  

On 11/27/2023 at 6:30 AM, HR_Poke said:

It's not part of our government. And there has never been due process for repercussions to free speech.

Political speech has been punished twice in our history.  
1) during the McCarthy era 

2) now.  
 

and I am not a free speech absolutist.  People can and should not be able to shout fire in a crowded theatre.   You can’t use speech to create a hostile work environment.  But none of those exceptions apply.  The current use of Doxxing is absolutely being used to silence speech and prevent Palestinian sympathizers from expressing anti Israel sentiment.  
 

Just like McCarthyism was wrong so is what is happening today.  This kind of doxxing is a symptom of a slide into authoritarianism.  

On 11/27/2023 at 2:22 AM, Nevada Convert said:

No one reads your twat waffle Hamas Palestinian propaganda except your Hamas mouthpiece friends here. 

Well apparently you did 

On 11/27/2023 at 2:20 AM, Nevada Convert said:

Every one of those foreign students protesting should lose their student Visa’s and not just be deported, but be fvcking deported! 

They aren’t all foreign and our constitution used to extend to everyone.  Sadly people like you through it out. 

Here’s a personal story about Palestinian child prisoners (the I is not me): 

- In 2012, I was arrested in Hebron while participating in a march to open Shuhada street, which was a main market street for Palestinians until the Israeli military shut it down, and made it for Israeli settlers only. It’s part of the area @JamaalBowmanNY visited.

- Handcuffed and blinded by pepper spray, and thrown in the back of an Israeli humvee after my head was slammed against it, the soldiers drive off. They suddenly stop, run out, and all I hear is a child screaming and crying. 

- This child is then thrown on top of me, and is handcuffed. I ask him his age, he said 13. I asked him what happened, he says he was walking to his sister’s house and they just stopped and picked him up. He’s in panic mode crying “my sister cooked lunch for me, she’ll be terrified if I’m lost”. I tell him not to worry, we’ll make it out and give him the basic tips: You have a right to remain silent, don’t say anything without a lawyer…etc. 

- We get to the Israeli military outpost, we’re dragged out of the humvee. The kid’s terrified, telling them not to blind him (He thought I was blinded because of the pepper spray, I couldn’t open my eyes). 

- The smack the kid around and tell him to shut up. 

- We wait a bit, then kid is called in for interrogation. 

- The Israeli military interrogator literally tells him: I’ll let you go home, you just need to confirm the guy with you led the protest and told you to throw the stones at us. 

- Kid says I want to call my family/lawyer. Interrogator says ok: Picks up mobile and gives it to kid. Kid puts in his mother’s number. Soldier snatches mobile. The mother answers. Soldier says: Your son is going to go to jail and if he doesn’t talk I’ll come and arrest you too. Puts it on speaker, mother is panicking. Kid starts to panic. Soldier hangs up in her face. 

- Soldier tells kid: I can make your family’s life hell. But if you say what I told you to say, everything will be ok. 

- Kid starts sobbing and says: But I don’t know this guy I just met him in the humvee when you picked me up. Sitting outside the room, I yell: Kid, stay strong, say your truth and don’t fall into his lies. 

- They come and take me away. Thirty minutes later kid comes out of interrogation shaken. He says the soldier told him he’d shoot his mother. The poor child told me not to worry though, he only said the truth .

- The case brought against this poor kid was stone throwing, with two soldiers “testifying” they saw him throw a stone. 

- He spent 3 months in prison as court hearings kept getting delayed, eventually he was advised by his lawyer to “admit” to stone throwing because that way he’d spend less time in prison because the lawyer could be able to negotiate his release in 4 months, while waiting for a ruling from Israel’s military courts could take a year.  

- In short, working on this issue in Palestine for 12 years, I can tell you the majority of child arrests in Palestine follow this exact pattern: 

- Israel wants to teach a Palestinian community a lesson, deterring people from protesting its oppression. 

- It targets the kids, arresting dozens - up to 700 a year.

- Majority of kids get abused and interrogated. 

- Lawyers and kids know it’s better to “confess” even if they didn’t do the crime, as waiting for a ruling and being in uncertainty/limbo is hell. That’s why you have a 95% conviction rate. 

- Then the Israeli government, when challenged for the systematic abuse, comes out and says: “These kids are terrorists - they attacked our soldiers and admitted to it.” 

- And because the lives of Palestinian children don’t matter, the world turns a blind eye again and again and again and again.

On 11/26/2023 at 3:14 PM, HR_Poke said:

It's a foreign spy agency for one. And you don't have a right to anonymity.

You don’t but public pressure to fire a person is punishment without due process.  Is the spy agency not part of the government?