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Let me make it easy. No need for “Turd of the week”. It’s Air Force. No matter what the other teams in the conference does today.

Sorry, but I can’t see San Jose being considered that good. Air Force beat them by a boat load. Three of their games they gave up 40-50+ points. I think their record is accurate. Against the bottom of the conference they are ok. Against anyone else they aren’t good.

1. Air Force: Until they lose, they have to be #1. With Army and Hawaii the next 2 weeks, they will probably be 10-0 soon. Should make for an interesting UNLoVed and Boise State games. 2. Fresno: However, UNLoVed had plenty of opportunities to win yesterday. Not sure if UNLoVed is good or if Fresno isn't as good. 3. UNLoVed: Because they have the better overall record 4. Boise State: Would have been Wyoming for their overall record; but after yesterday's game..... I can't give it to Wyoming 5. Wyoming: They have the better overall record vs SJSU, plus I don't think SJSU is anything. 6. San Jose State: The only reason they have a decent conference record is because their 3 conference wins are against New Mexico, Utah State, and Hawaii. Well "NO $H*T". Every team will get at least 3 conference wins if playing them. (Unless it's against each other) 7. Colorado State: Technically they are below the likes of Nevada and utah State, but I can see that they are getting better each game. A little inconsistent, but they are going in the right direction. No matter their record. Border war this coming weekend is going to be good. 8-12: Nevada; Utah State; New Mexico, San Diego, Hawaii. Doesn't matter the order for these teams. There's still 4 games left in the season. They can and probably will win a couple. Especially if against each other. But they are all too inconsistent to give an accurate rating.

Another Air Force win in the books. Tied school record of 13 consecutive wins. Now.... just gotta beat Army next week in Denver at Mile High Stadium. Weather suppose to be in the 50's. Much better than tonight's game.

Personally, I think; and hope; that vegas is correct on this. Air Force by 14 and the Over/Under at 47. If they are, the score should be around AFA-30 CSU-16 But, because of the weather, it's going to be brutal, I would take the UNDER 47, and not quite sure if air force gets the 14. My PERSONAL PREDICTION: Air Force = 24 (3TD and 1FG) CSU = 10 (1 TD and 1FG) But this is why the game is played..... Because we NEVER KNOW!!!!

The cold and wind will definitely make the defense more important. So I will restate.... Air Force Academy - #2 Total Defense in the country (Out of 133) vs Colorado State University - #131 Total Defense in the country (Out of 133) It won't be a matter of "if CSU can win"..... It will be a matter of "will Air Force Lose"

Same here, when we beat UNLV for a 12-0 season, 13-0 conference champions, and winner of the Fiesta bowl. On a side note. It would be crazy if we play UNLV, then 2 weeks later have to play them again for the conference championship. But they, Wyoming, and Fresno are all in the hunt too. It’s going to be a crazy 5 weeks to see who comes out on top. Hope it’s Air Force.

If you look at team stats, it's pretty compelling. Total Defense Stats. Air Force: #2 in the country (Out of 133) Colorado State: #2 FROM THE BOTTOM (Out of 133) (Flipping back and forth with Reno Nevada) Both teams are in the pseudo middle of the pack when it comes to offense. (CSU Slightly highter than Air Force) Bottom line is: Air Force will score; and they will do it on the ground. CSU can't stop that. If Air Force puts ANY PRESSURE on the CSU QB, the game will be a decisive win for Air Force. Only Air Force can lose this game for themselves. It's not a matter of, Can CSU beat Air Force.... It's a matter of, WILL Air Force beat Air Force. "Kick @$$ FALCO(n)"

8 undefeated teams left Air Force (7-0) ranked #19

Kirby, I understand teasing. But I also know some of the cowboys and their feelings for the Air Force coach. Especially after the Christiansen days. I live in Cheyenne, and have lived in Wyoming most of my life. So while I’m a deep blue Air Force fan, I definitely understand the cowboys. (Who I normally root for and support, unless playing Air Force.)

The number one team in the country that knows our plays better than any other team… include Wyoming and the rest of the MWC… and you think we should let navy know all our strengths and weaknesses. Typical cowboy mentality.

7-0, on to CSU

Not yet. Seems to be a foot/ankle issue. We will know more in a day or two

If our QB1 is healthy and plays, we might see more passing. With army and navy so use to us and our run, it would definitely play havoc on navy’s defense if we did some play action and not just third and long. We’ve shown we do have a passing game when needed. All depends on which Coach Calhoun shows up for the game.

I live in Cheyenne. Have lived here most of my life. I support Wyoming. But Air Force is my team. Hopefully Air Force wins this Saturday against the Pokes and are 6-0 and ranked in the top 25.

#38 Air Force vs #82 South Alabama. I am Sooooooo excited.

Point taken. But two things to consider. The TV deal was struck with sdsu and bsu leaving. And our conference is unproven then with 10 or 12 with sdsu and bsu back. The biggest problem was that Thompson didn't negotiate properly. Especially if there was a chance of sdsu and bsu coming back. I don't think the TV contract is that good. Its never been good over the last 10 years. But this is a totally new conference. An unproven conference. The only hope, which I doubt, is that if as a conference we prove ourselves, that Thompson forces renegotiations with the TV contract. Renegotions is always an option. He just has never pushed it.

Well; if we're going to be truly honest; then you should at least admit that the only reason San Diego State was invited to the Big East in the first place, was because Boise wouldn't accept unless there was another western school. If you remember correctly, the Big East started with Air Force and tried to team with Navy and Army. They also wanted Boise to also team the west with air force and the texas teams from the CUSA. SDSU was only invited because air force turned them down and Boise wouldn't accept without a western school. After Boise choice to stay in the MWC instead of the big-east, I don't believe SDSU had many choices remaining I do admit that SDSU could probably do well in any conference they went to. But without an invite to one of the big-5 (Which SDSU is not going to get), their best chance of success is in the current MWC. I've said it a number of times already. This current MWC is a blessing in disguise. No matter what anyone thinks of any of the schools "Individually", a 12 team conference made up of these schools will be noticed. If the schools do their part; "Have winning seasons"; then the TV contracts will come. I know that this isn't the MWC of 2010. I can only imagine what things would be like had the PAC-10 gotten the Big-12 schools they were going after, and Utah, TCU, and BYU was still in the conference. But knowing Thompson the way we do, we know we would have never grown. He made that clear. But we have a chance now. Accidental as it may be.

King James. U make some valid arguments. And had Boise and sdsu not first thought of the big east, usu and sjs would never had been invited and as a 10 team conference you would be 100% correct. But the variable that you aren't accepting is: being usu and sjs were invited and bus and sdsu decided to stay, this conference is a much stronger conference than any combination of 9 or 10 team option. The TV deal currently sucks. But then again it has sucked for the last 10 years. I think with the current 12 team conference and our ooc games, this is the best option available. The key to a successful TV contract in the future is whether Thompson uses a winning conference against other conferences as a chip to renegotiate when appropriate. That is the one part that will fail if anything. I have zero faith in that moron. But with the exception of Boise or possibly air force being invited to a better conference; which I doubt is any time soon; this 12 team conference is our best option. Not split. None of the teams could survive in a smaller and worse conference. And they would surely become a worse team, not better.

True. But that team with value will only be recognized if they have a strong SOS and strong OOC schedule. That's why Boise wasn't seriously looked at when they were bin the WAC. This is why Utah and TCU were seriously looked at. Because of certain marketing, Boise and to a lesser extent, air force, could successfully leave the MWC and land in a better conference. But overall, the rest of the teams won't have such an option unless the MWC is successful. And with the current 12 teams, albeit not planned by Thompson, has a very good chance of proving themselves. As a conference and as individual teams. If Utah state and San Jose stayed in the WAC, they'd never be seriously looked at. They will now. Same with sdsu and Fresno. Win with a strong conference and get at least 5 or 6 of the 12 to bowl games and you will be looked at. Having 2 conferences like above with 9 teams each will forever keep the teams as mid or mid major teams. At least in the eyes of the other conferences and the TV execs.

If the mountain west split up and turned into 2 conference by adding some more teams, both would be AA conferences in quality and only D1 A in name. The MWC spent over 10 years trying to prove we belonged in D1 A and could compete with the other conferences. We have been given an accidental gift by being at 12 teams to succeed. This 12 team conference is our only and last chance to prove we are equal and competitive. The only way a team does better is to leave and join one of the big 5. Splitting the conference into 2 is a step backwards.

He's a "Knob Bobber". He should be in the movies.

The truth is, the current MWC lineup was an accident. The MWC WAS at 10 teams, but 2 were leaving. "SDSU and BSU". We couldn't stay at 8. And with half the MWC teams coming from the WAC already, and the other half having had ties with the WAC in the past, it made sense to bring in 2 more WAC teams to get back to 10 teams. USU and SJS seemed the best choice. Louisiana is too far; New Mexico state would have been OK, Getting san jose kept us in the california market along with fresno; with SDSU leaving. Utah State seemed right because of basketball and because of location to both San Jose, Wyoming, and the rest. When Boise State and San Diego State changed their minds and decided to stay in the MWC, that actually made the conference better. I have ALWAYS SAID that we needed to get to 12 teams. I'm not dogging Utah State or San Jose, but if SDSU and BSU had NOT chosen to go to the big east originally, then I doubt that the MWC would have invited Utah State and San Jose State. Thompson has convinced our university presidents that 9-10 teams was the perfect lineup. He's had them convinced for years. He's WRONG, but they listened to him. Once Boise and San Diego State chose to stay, Thompson was screwed. He couldn't "UN-INVITE" Utah State and San Jose. Personally; over the last 5 years, this is the BEST ACCIDENT to happen to the MWC. Everything with BYU, Utah, and TCU leaving, and almost losing Air Force, Boise, and San Diego; was mostly Thompson's fault. I will believe that til the end of time. He is the most complacent moron in the league. All of his recommendations to the university presidents and AD's have always been reactionary. Hawaii, Fresno, Nevada, Boise, and now utah state and san jose have all been reactionary. The MWC GOT PHUCKING LUCKY!!! I hope Boise and San Diego State stay in the MWC for many years to come. With the current lineup of 12 teams, I think the MWC actually has some strength. I'm looking forward to a great MWC future. Again; the way we stand today was a pure accident. But sometimes the stars align just right. If the Big East hadn't crashed and burned, we would be losing boise and sdsu and the MWC would have been basically "WAC Part Deux". But the current lineup has at least 5 very consistent winning teams every year. Throw in another 2-3 teams each year with some good seasons and I see the MWC getting stronger. For ALL teams. I personally would love to see BYU come back to the MWC. But in order to do that, we'd have to add a 14th team. My choice would be New Mexico State. That would give us: 2 teams Utah 3 teams California 2 teams Nevada 2 teams Colorado 2 teams New Mexico 1 Hawaii 1 Idaho 1 Wyoming Of course, if BYU came back to the MWC, maybe Hawaii would get invited to the PAC or another western conference. Then we could stay at 12 and not invite new mexico state. But either way; I like today's MWC lineup. WITH ALL 12 TEAMS. I wish we had never lost utah, tcu, and BYU, but having 12 teams is what we've needed for years. The fact that we have 12 now; TOTALLY BY ACCIDENT; is fine. It makes all that's happened ok now.

I have no problem admitting that air force basketball is pretty inconsistent. Many times, we're in the middle of the pack. But we've been in the cellar just as often as we've been towards the top. So I'm able to recognize air force's shortcoming in basketball. But your reply is typical of many Utah State football fans. "Rising Football Program". The same thing was being touted last year when it was Utah State's FIRST winning season in 13 years. All I'm saying, and all I've ever said, concerning Utah State, is that 2 winning season is a little early to start praising them as some "Up and Coming" team. Or in your words; "Rising Football Program". Even SDSU and MWC fans needed to see 3 winning seasons in a row before they would overlook SDSU previous 12 years of losing seasons. As for the WAC having a stronger football conference last year, vs the MWC, we'll just leave that as an opinion. I personally consider Utah State having one Quality win: "Toledo" in the bowl game. San Jose was definitely a decent win, but nothing to brag about. And a win against Utah was definitely an emotional win. They're the "BIG DOG" in the state. Even if they had a 5-7 record last year. But the rest of the schedule, we'll simply have to leave as an opinion. You can believe in the "Human Opinion Polls". But the point here is still:the claim that Utah State is a "Rising Football Program". Why isn't San Jose a "Rising Football Program". They had a good season last year. Maybe it's because the last time they had 2 winning seasons in a row, was in 1991 and 1992. By the way. The LAST TIME Utah State had 2 winning seasons in a row was in 1979 and 1980. It took them 13 more years to have a winning season. (1993). I am NOT cutting down Utah State. I don't think they suck. I don't have anything against them. I'm simply replying to the original poster and saying; Utah State ISN'T HATED! Simply that "SOME" of their fan over rate them quite a bit. When you get 3 winning seasons in a row, that shows that you PROBABLY have a program that is headed in the right direction. 3 years in a row gives plenty of time for turnover through graduation. That's the thing about college football. You get a 20% turnover every year. If you can have a winning season most of the time, even with the turnover, then you have a "Winning Program". (Whether or not you are conference champion or such is another topic with many other factors). But to have a rising/winning program, you have to have winning seasons. I'm simply saying that 2 winning seasons in a row (out of 13+) isn't really a lot to base such a claim on.

You're such a moron. You can't read. You quote things people never said. And you twist meanings beyond comprehension. You keep assuming that if someone doesn't jump on the "Choo Choo bandwagon", then they automatically are saying that Utah State sucks. I've never said that Utah State sucks. That's simply your exaggeration because you can't discuss anything without letting your emotions kick in. The "FACTS" ARE: 1. Utah State has had 2 winning seasons in a row. Prior to that, they hadn't had a winning season in the previous 13 years. 2. MANY Utah State fans believe that Utah State has "PROVEN THEMSELVES" as being a great football program. 3. SDSU was given the EXACT SAME CRITICISM at the end of their 2010 season when "some" fans reacted similarly to what many Utah State fans have. (That their team has "PROVEN" themselves). After SDSU had 3 winning seasons in a row, then was it accepted that they are out of their losing string. 4. You PICK and CHOOSE your single game or single season to make your point. (But you fail). Your defense is that Air Force couldn't beat Army or UNLV in 2012? That's your defense? Even though air force beat Army the previous 6 SEASONS in a row and UNLV the previous 5 SEASONS in a row. But you prove my point. You take single games and single seasons and make conclusions. 5. No matter how many times I or anyone else says they HOPE Utah State has a good season; or how we hope they CONTINUE to win; etc. the fact that we don't automatically accept them today as a "WINNING PROGRAM" makes you believe that we hate Utah State. You are a phucking joke. I, and most others here, have forgotten more about college football and sports overall, than you will ever learn in your life time. You are a total immature a$$hole, because you can discuss any topic without letting your emotions get the best of you. You really need to get a life. Or at least get laid. The truth is: Utah State has had 2 winning seasons in a row in the last 15 years. NOTHING MORE...... NOTHING LESS. Only YOU are making more of this than it is. And it's because of people like you, that the original poster even asked this question. No one here really HATES Utah States. That's your phucking ignorant imagination. Reading into things that aren't there. But as long as people like you respond to threads/posts the way you do, instead of recognizing the truth, there will be arguments. To the original poster...... The answer in my first post SHOULD have been. (There is NO HATRED here towards Utah State...... Only towards SOME of their Ignorant, stupid, mental midget, phucking idiot, fans. (Emphasize SOME).