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  1. 27 minutes ago, Spaztecs said:

    I saw an article a couple days back about the severe crisis in the Panhandle. The political responses have been more banning of mask mandates and more pushback on vaccines.

     

    Stupid is as stupid does.

     

    This hits really close to home for me.  Some of you know about the health issues in my family, with my baby sister, mother and myself.

    The health and well being of my sick loved ones has been jeopardized due to the moronic jizz rags who choose not the get the vaccine.  We made the family decision this morning to send my sister to Seattle to stay with my aunt and uncle for her health care needs.  I had the same offer to stay with them, but can not leave my mom alone in Boise.  

  2. 4 minutes ago, Akkula said:

    Idaho has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the nation.  Stupid is as stupid does.  They are hoping to beat Alabama in football or vaccine hesitancy some day!

     

    Yep.  There are a lot of Idahoans who did the right thing that are suffering now because of idiots who refuse the vaccine.

     

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  3. 10 minutes ago, TheSanDiegan said:

    It's +++++ing tragic. We live in the burn area of what were two of the three largest wildfires in state history until 2010. A majority of the fuel was chaparral ecosystems - not like the thick, dense forests of the NW. 

    As someone who lived through the Cedar Fire in 2003 an the Witch Creek Fire in 2007, the singular biggest factor that made those two fires as catastrophic as they were was the wind velocity.

    It was strong enough to keep air assets grounded, something that was never an issue during the Santa Ana wind events of the 70s, 80s, and 90s. We grew up with those small brush fires as a matter of course for our dry and arid region. It wasn't uncommon for pull up a lawn chair in the evenings and watch the fire lines ascend over ridgelines; no one had to evacuate. 

    But in '03, the 70mph winds kept the CDF air assets grounded. And in '07, the NWS estimated the microburst we had come through our property to be 110mph - equivalent to a strong Cat3 hurricane. First responders measured a fire ripping through a nearby avocado grove at 60mph. It was impossible for them to get in front of the fire.

    And since then, this same scenario has repeated itself so many times that I don't even think the Cedar and Witch Creek Fires even rank in the top ten California wildfires anymore.

    And like you said, even if we started doing everything right tomorrow, we're still going to be dealing with climate-driven wx issues for the next two decades or more. It's disheartening.

     

    It needs to be a three pronged approach.

    1. Invest in clean energy.  Green is getting the push it needs, maybe not fast enough, but it's getting there.  Now if only we could convince people Nuclear is not a bad word.  This is a long term investment for our kids and grand kids.
    2. Land management.  No this does not mean we go clear cutting old wood.  It may require subsidizing american lumber, though or contracting out to lumber companies to cut non profitable dead wood, bracken, etc.  This will help raise the height of forest canopies over time as well as reduce fuel.  We need to create more fuel breaks, we need more prescribed burns.  
    3. Education and accountability.  This means if you live in an area susceptible to burn you MUST take the appropriate steps to fire proof your home and the town must take similar steps.  Even if that means no pretty trees 100 yards out from the circumference of the local.  It means we need to get past teams and shit "rake your forests!!!"  "Stop driving your pickup!!!" crap.  This means commercials during fire season that run as often as campaign adds (well not that often) stressing common sense things like no camp fires when the wind is blowing, reminders not to park the car in spots not meant for parking or pulling over, etc...   
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  4. 2 minutes ago, TheSanDiegan said:

    I can't really disagree with any of this. Maybe a grassroots campaign? :shrug: I would sign a petition in a heartbeat to dedicate more state funds and focus on near-term mitigation strategies.

    Which brings me full circle to the numerous better ways in which we could have spent $300 million than this shitshow sham recall.

     

    People really fail to realize just how devastating these huge fires are, even in California.  They see the death toll and the smoke and the burning homes and know it is really bad.  What they do not see is just what these huge, hot fires do to the ecosystem beyond the burnt trees.  Fires in the West prior to the 20th century helped nurture the forests, the forests needed them for new flora to flourish.  These fires are getting so hot and so big though that they are destroying this natural cycle.  The following erosion decimates water sheds.  Those water sheds getting filling with silt and dirt have a rippling effect through the entire ecosystem, meaning these systems are stressed out for decades afterwards.  This means Fauna are loosing habitat and moving, putting further stress on adjacent ecosystems/forested areas.

    I think if people really, really understood the impact these fire seasons are having on the entirety of the American West it would be a real bipartisan issue to tackle.  It's tragic.  

    Now, some people will point to graphs showing the area burned in the early 20th century was greater than what we see today.  This is true but meaningless.  They had more fires and more importantly healthy fires.  The type of fires that allow the ecosystem to more or less keep on humming.  A bunch of small, healthy, fires.  Not these huge, hot fires that are so intense that seedlings fail to take root naturally afterwards.  

  5. Just now, azgreg said:

    Me and the wife never camp on weekends. We like to arrive mid afternoon Sunday and leave Thursday. We miss the crowds that way. I don't know how many time we've pulled up and see smoke coming from fire pits in empty spots.

     

    SAME!

    I leave Sunday or Monday night.  Favorite time of year to camp is early spring and early winter.  

  6. Just now, TheSanDiegan said:

    Maybe the history books weren't changed to reflect Al Gore's crusade on climate more than twenty years ago by the time you youngbloods went through HS, but yes, the D's have been championing the need to move towards mitigating anthropomorphic climate change for more than two decades.

    To pretend otherwise is simply detached from reality.

     

    And I have never argued otherwise.  In fact just here, in this thread, the opposite.  They want to push green (which is good) but they don't want to help mitigate fires next year, or next decade.  

    If we hit net 0 carbon emissions tomorrow in the US and it would have zero impact on the fires in the next 20 years.  Would be help 70-80 years down the road though, global partners willing.

  7. 16 minutes ago, TheSanDiegan said:

    Dude, while I appreciate where you're coming from (and share the same concerns), if you don't recognize that one of the two main parties takes climate change - the primary driver behind the catastrophic wildfires not just lighting up Cali, but the entire f*cking West - more seriously than the other party you haven't been paying any attention to politics whatsoever over the last quarter-century. :waiting:

    Which is exactly what I said.  But don't be fooled, nobody wants to do anything about next year, or the next decade, to mitigate forest fires.  That means team D, too.  It's too good of an issue to run on and push green.  

  8. 28 minutes ago, ripple effect said:

    Do you think Larry Elder would’ve been the guy handing out rakes?  He being a follower of any other number of Trumpian themes, yeah, that really would’ve helped. I mean, even the Finns didn’t know what the Twice Impeached Orange Crapstain was talking about when he made that “rake” comment in 2018. It rains in Finland just about all year-‘round.  Imagine the “similarities” to California in that regard…

    And good luck “managing” 33 million acres of forest land in Cali (almost 33% of the state itself). I guess we (pop.: 39 million) should each be responsible for a little more than 1 acre… right?  Problem is, 95% of its population lives in urban areas. Also, probably the 2 most causative factors in forest fires (aside from gross human idiocy) are: (1) Mother Nature (entirely random lightning strikes), which no one can control and; (2) the acts - or, should I say, the lack thereof - of quasi monopolistic Electrical companies (like PG&E) that can more or less (negligently) act with impunity.  If they’re found guilty of starting fires then all they do is go to bankruptcy court and/or raise rates. Wash. Rinse. Repeat... 

    Look, I have a vacation home in the Napa Valley. Our home came about 100 feet away from burning down in the horrendous Glass fire last year.  Two of thirty-five homes burned to the ground, with another sustaining damage. I don’t blame Gavin Newsom for that, but believe me when I say I wouldn’t even blame a Republican turd in his place/stead. Our neighbors (on a heavily forested hillside) had already acted to clear nearby brush (fuel) as best we could, but in this environment fire often knows no boundaries. You simply cannot “manage” forests to the extends some GOP taking heads suggest you can. I have a nephew who’s a fire fighter and he wouldn’t suggest otherwise. The state is just too big to “control”, or even significantly mitigate in this regard…

    Newsom can definitely be a turd himself at times, but I voted no on the recall, and for many reasons…

     

    So yall got me thinking more on this.  I wanted Gavin to get recalled just to send a message, but the message I wanted sent was not the message the GOP in California and elsewhere wanted to send.  So, I am changing my mind @sactowndog@Spaztecs  @TheSanDiegan.  I wanted a referendum on what I consider to be the biggest threat to the thing I hold more dear than anything but family, the Western wilderness.  I don't like people that +++++ around with it, hence why I hunt Idaho ranchers for blood sport.  The GOP really gives two shits about all that though, in fact they seem to revel in the fires in California, Washington and Oregon.  

    It is an issue sadly no party really wants to address.  The GOP want's to use it as a cudgel to remove environmental protections and regulations you have all seen those stupid AF memes I am sure saying "cut it, graze it or watch it burn".  It's culture war BS for them.  And sadly I don't think Democrats (politicians not posters) want to help mitigate fires in the West either.  They seem to love to run on it, and see them as means to push federal and state dollars into green (which is good, btw, don't get me wrong there) but they don't want to do or anything that would provide relief while you and I are still alive. 

    So my final opinion as of 12:19 PM MTN, is that I am glad that Newsom did not get recalled, even though I think he deserved to be, it would not change anything materially with the one single issue I give a shit about in California.  Still, +++++ Gavin.  :)  

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  9. 10 minutes ago, ripple effect said:

    Do you think Larry Elder would’ve been the guy handing out rakes?  He being a follower of any other number of Trumpian themes, yeah, that really would’ve helped. I mean, even the Finns didn’t know what the Twice Impeached Orange Crapstain was talking about when he made that “rake” comment in 2018. It rains in Finland just about all year-‘round.  Imagine the “similarities” to California in that regard…

    And good luck “managing” 33 million acres of forest land in Cali (almost 33% of the state itself). I guess we each (pop.: 39 million) should be responsible for a little more than 1 acre… right?  Problem is, 95% of its population lives in urban areas. Also, probably the 2 most causative factors in forest fires (aside from gross human idiocy) are: (1) Mother Nature (entirely random lightning strikes), which no one can control and; (2) the acts - or, should I say, the lack thereof - of quasi monopolistic Electrical companies (like PG&E) that can more or less (negligently) act with impunity.  If they’re found guilty of starting fires then all they do is go to bankruptcy court and/or raise rates. Wash. Rinse. Repeat... 

    Look, I have a vacation home in the Napa Valley. Our home came about 100 feet away from burning down in the horrendous Glass fire last year.  I do not blame Gavin Newsom for that, but I wouldn’t even blame a Republican turd in his place. Our neighbors (on a heavily forested hillside) had already acted to clear nearby brush (fuel) as best we could, but in this environment fire often knows no boundaries. You simply cannot “manage” forests to the extends some GOP taking heads suggest you can. I have a nephew who’s a fire fighter and he wouldn’t suggest otherwise. The state is just too big to “control”, or even significantly mitigate in this regard…

    I voted no on the recall, but for many reasons…

     

    You don't need to treat every acre lol.  Michael Wara, director of the Climate and Energy Policy Program at Stanford University’s Woods Institute for the Environment, says serious, meaningful, measurable results can be had with 1 million acres a year.  With 100k acres strategically a year showing positive results in modeling.

    90% of forest fires in the US are caused by humans, btw.  https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-wildfires



    We have been talking about forest fires in depth on this board for several years now.  I and others have contributed dozens of pages on the topic.  Good stuff.

    And I don't "blame" Newsom for fires, don't be dumb.  But cutting Cal Fire's wildfire prevention program by 150 million and only deliver 11% of the treated acres you promised and said you accomplished is mind blowingly  outrageous.

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  10. 17 minutes ago, Someone Else said:

    The recall was dumb and proved to be a huge waste of money.  Thanks, GOP.

    Like I said earlier, if you don't like Newsom you have the opportunity to vote him out in 8 months.

    But I guarantee if you are able to find someone to replace him, that person won't be able to solve all those things you are upset about either. 

    (And if you don't live here you don't get a say ... worry about your own situation, not ours.)

    Things that impact public lands are every bit as much my business as yours.  Pretty much the only thing I care about.

     

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  11. 21 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

    Not really.   HMHB is still all about fishing any being a contrarian.   Seems par for the course to me.  

    Pretty much at this point the only thing that would get me to vote GOP would be if the democrat he/she was running against had proven grossly incompetent in protecting our shared wilderness.  

    So, I don't see myself voting GOP anytime soon.

  12. 1 hour ago, TheSanDiegan said:

    Aaaannnnd this is why we're the 6th largest economy on the planet and a vacation Mecca while you're nothing but a front range rodeo stuck in the world's largest French fry factory. :waiting:

    Lol.  How long have you been watching games against this conference?  Idaho is not front range.  We do make fries though, and Newsom is just awful. 

    Imagine being a Californian who has witnessed the devastation of wildfires the last several years and voting to keep that guy.  

  13. Just now, sactowndog said:

    Sorry we have no desire to be Northern Idaho with people unable to find open ICU beds.   Covid was the single deciding factor in this race.  

    Yeah, that's dumb.  Nobody in California is/was going to change their mind on getting vaccinated based on the outcome of this.  Not a single person.  Nobody was going to change their social behavior, either.

      

  14. Do not take the above ^ as an argument that California's fire problems are due to California mismanaging things, I know it may come off that way.  These hotter, longer fire seasons are the primary culprit along with a century of trying to control forest fires.  No state is doing a "better" job, California just has, generally, worse conditions and more people/structures.

    It would have been nice, though, if the congresspersons from California, and the rest of the West, would have pushed for more federal support for fire prevention in that infrastructure bill beyond raising wages for firefighters and climate initiatives.  Those things are good, but how about money to treat, oh, say, 10 million acres in the west every year?  

     

     

  15. 25 minutes ago, Spaztecs said:

    While I agree he has failed on that front and a couple others, replacing him with a Trumpist Clown isn't going to make things better.

    Besides, in arguments about Fire Prevention, how is a Governor liable for Federal Lands and and PG&E corridors ?

    Let's rightfully assign responsibility where it belongs.

     

    Would a Trumpist be better?  Well, yea actually.  They would be a lame duck for a year, which, yes, would be an improvement.  

    We have discussed the bold ad nauseam for the past, what, 3 years now on here? States DO have some say in how resources on federal lands are managed.  States absolutely can be proactive to some extent as long as they meet the standards of the National Environmental Policy Act.  For example, the Idaho Department of Lands does a good chunk of all the prescribed burns in Idaho on Federal land here.

    Michael Wara, director of the Climate and Energy Policy Program at Stanford University’s Woods Institute for the Environment, said that "we" as in California, not the feds, should be treating about 1 million acres a year.  If they could not do that, why would that be his suggestion?

    All that is beside the point.  The "priority projects" that Newsom promised to get done did not get done, and he lied about it.
     

  16. 25 minutes ago, Spaztecs said:

    So, your down with more GQP clowns like Larry Elder holding office ?

    Seriously ?

     

    A lame duck for a year?  Sure.  Sends a message.  

    Newsom absolutely deserves to be recalled.  How TF you gunna cut Cal Fire's fire prevention program by 150 million after the 2019 and 2020 fire seasons?  Not to mention lying about the steps the state had taken to mitigate fire risk.  

    +++++ him.

     

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  17. 2 hours ago, TheSanDiegan said:

     

    That's money that could be spent on forrest management and risk mitigation 

     

    Yeah...this is why Gavin deserved to be recalled.  If this recall thing never would have happened LMAO at the idea Newsom would have spent that money on fire prevention.  He cut 150 million from Cal Fire's wildfire prevention program and lied about the amount of fire and fuel breaks the state would deliver by 700%.

    +++++ him.

  18. 2 minutes ago, Nevada Convert said:

    What does “All Time” have to do with now? Try the last 3-4 years since we’ve had the pandemic. 

     

     

    4 minutes ago, Nevada Convert said:

    You need to go by attendance and be honest. Fans are how popularity is measured. AC/DC, Iron Maiden, etc. outdraw most. Looks like I’ll have to look it up for you in a bit. 

     

    Dude views and listens are how popularity is measured, not if some old boomers with disposable cash want to go watch.

     

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