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  1. On 3/27/2024 at 4:22 AM, HawaiiMongoose said:

    Not so.

    The final Massey composite ratings ranked the MWC as the 7th best conference last season, behind the P5 and the Sun Belt but ahead of the AAC, CUSA and MAC in that order.

    https://masseyratings.com/ranks?s=cf&d=20240108&c=1

    That is not what it says when I look at it, nor do I know anyone outside of maybe some here that would rank it that way..  But on second glance you could take out fbs independents since that’s not a conference so really it’s 8th best, not 9th.

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  2. On 3/27/2024 at 3:46 AM, utenation said:

    You have a lot of balls trying to puff your chest out about conference rankings. 
     

    It shouldn’t take balls to speak the truth, which is all that happened.  Understand your shortcomings on the matter may make that difficult to understand.. luckily for you blissful ignorance is there to keep you warm at night.  Chest puffing…lol

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  3. On 3/25/2024 at 6:19 PM, Chalsean said:

    "Not in the top 4 but with BB/FB will be the clear 5th representing regions and territories not otherwise represented."

    Reading is hard..   There will be 4 power conferences left, so he's effectively saying MWC will be the strongest conference not named B10/SEC/B12/ACC.

    It was edited.  Either way the point stands.  Love March madness and love how the mwc has done lately but we know football rules the roost and the MWC was rated as the 9th best conference last season, and not much momentum to do better next season.  Any talk of being top 4 or 5 at anything is silly right now.  

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  4. On 3/26/2024 at 6:45 PM, Motown Monty said:

    ok understood

    but this was a male (more than one?) harassing women - revving his truck at them and yelling n word on multiple ocassions

    women have to be more cautious in general, and are probably more sensitive to being bullied by a man .   they have to be cautious of personal safety.

    Men are more likely to be the victim of violence than women.

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  5. On 3/26/2024 at 5:20 PM, Beach Bully said:

    There’sa difference between mwc joining the PAC and the pac teams joining mwc.  The statement was the pac teams will join the mwc.  If that happens then there is no pac and therefore no credits. They need mwc to join pac to keep credit

    It’s (basketball credits) not that much money, and the pac can’t afford to buy anyone out to join their league anyway.  Certainly not worth dying on the vine over, which is going to happen to the P2 if they don’t move to a conference after their already-earned money dries up.

    The problem is there’s no future/additional revenue.   There’s still some they can keep that’s already been earned but that moneys already budgeted.  They need new money .

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  6. On 3/25/2024 at 3:46 PM, Motown Monty said:

    Does this mean that Washington St and Oregon St no longer have any reason to delay a full merger with the MWC?

    Or are they going to try and gut the MWC, and form a new conference.

    These bastards are sneaky

    That’s not enough money to entice anyone to join their ragtag troop.  Total of $65m isn’t that much when you have no other revenue aside from ticket sales.  

  7. On 3/19/2024 at 9:15 PM, AztecSU said:

    I was looking at the 2024 season, week by week, yesterday, when I got to week 7. Go and look and tell me that isn’t the future MW. It’s going to be a good conf that’s lots of fun. Not in the top 4 but with BB/FB will be the clear 5th representing regions and territories not otherwise represented. 
     

    Whatever happens with the ACC I doubt it will involve MW/Pac2 schools.

    Fringe top 6 until ACC goes under…

    And the acc has already gone west once, I wouldn’t write them off going west again.

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  8. On 3/18/2024 at 4:50 PM, MissionTrails said:

    I think you meant "figuratively". If not, you LITERALLY need to look up the word in the dictionary. Reminds me of one of my daughter's friends when she was in HS, who blurted out "I literally died...!"

    Back to the subject, "value" depends on what you are eVALUating - of course it's the MWC on most points of value, once they're down to the PAC-2, but the PAC is way ahead in name recognition, which may be the important valuation. Yes, I know all the important schools will be gone, but the name recognition still remains.

    The PAC is literally feeding on its remains to keep going beyond June 30th.  Normal people get this.  I’ll leave it to the English majors and those who take themselves too seriously to debate whether it should be a figurative argument since one can be fed money but can’t eat it…either way it seems about as relevant as the PAC these days.  

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  9. On 3/17/2024 at 5:45 AM, BacksThePack said:

    They aren't joining the MWC though. The MWC is joining the P12 if anything. Everybody sees that even now, the P12 name is still worth more than the MWC name.

    The PAC is dead.  Literally feeding off its own carcass with no future.  The MWC has more value now.  

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  10. On 3/14/2024 at 12:27 PM, Motown Monty said:

    The "PAC" brand is tarnished, i agree with you

    If the MWC merges into the "PAC-2", it will have to regularly hear comments about how the "new PAC" is weak compared to the "real PAC", and that none of the old championships won by the PAC-10 really apply

    I'd prefer a complete rebrand.  merge the MWC and PAC2, and rebrand it as the "Mountain Pacific" conference.   then heavily market it as the only major athletic conference of the west.

    When the writing was on the wall with all of this a year ago I suggested calling it the PAC WEST and got down voted to oblivion for even suggesting a merger.  How the turn tables….

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  11. On 3/9/2024 at 3:45 PM, LetTheFurFly said:

    If they weren't a basketball school, I would give the notion more traction.

    They're not in a conference that's on par with Butler, Xavier, and other tourney sweethearts but there's teams that disappear in respective leagues after some impressive runs.

    Scratching back against competition is what you want to teach. Retreat isn't an option. 

    It could happen to Creighton eventually. People run out of good recruiting/coaching. 

    It’ll happen to Gonzaga once Few is gone too.

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  12. On 3/5/2024 at 5:27 PM, Spaztecs said:

    We're talking Bowl and MM credits. Not TV revenue.

    If you earned it, why should you share the proceeds of your success with a historical bottom feeder ?

    Schools that succeed do so because they make massive financial investments in Coaches, facilities, recruiting, etc. Make good decisions on AD's and Coaches. Yet, you're arguing for an equal split for Schools who don't do those things.

    I get it.  I understand the logic you’re presenting but that’s a good way to turn your league into a one bid league.  If there are perpetual bottom feeders then put in covenants to penalize them by removing their credits and spreading it equally amongst the schools that are trying.  The MWC will become the WCC if what you propose comes to pass.

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  13. On 3/5/2024 at 9:41 AM, mugtang said:

    Travel expenses for Bowls are paid for by the conference and travel expenses for the tourney are handled by the NCAA.

    But I agree things such as bowl revenue and tournament credits should be distributed differently.
     

    For bowls I think it should be 50% to the conference and 50% to the school.  But the school’s share should be reduced by the travel expenses paid for by the conference.

    For tournament credits it should be based on how far you advance.  Making the tournament shouldn’t cause a special carve out as the performance of the conference plays a significant part in an at-large bid.  But advancing should.  I think credits go through the elite 8 so it should be an escalating share:

    1st round - split evenly by conference members.

    2nd round - 25% to the school and 75% to the conference split evenly (including the school who earned it)

    Sweet 16 - 50% to the school that earned it and 50% to the conference to split evenly

    Elite 8 - 75% to the school that earned it and 25% to the conference to split evenly 

     

    This is good in theory but at the same time it’s dangerous to take away revenue from the conference right now because bowl games, sources of additional revenue, are changing as we know them.  Now with the expanded playoffs most bowl games are going to be rendered impotent from an advertising/attendance/revenue perspective-they’ve already been in decline except for the top ones.  The number of historical revenue streams are drying up, particularly for the non p4 conferences.  Under the proposed model I would expect budget cuts from the conference to include traveling expenses should you go this route.

  14. I’m surprised how many are for this.  Partial shares to new members on a temporary basis is one thing but uneven distribution ensures a slow death of the conference.  I don’t understand the utility as there’s no conference swooping in to poach the better performers so why create an imbalance? If anything there should be a penalty to chronic underperformers, not sure what that looks like though.

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  15. On 2/29/2024 at 7:40 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

    I haven’t seen any reports that the MAC was interested in Delaware when CUSA invited them, so I don’t think they had a choice. But I think if any school actually does end up with a choice between the MAC and CUSA the MAC is clearly the better option because of the stability, even though the two are comparable in terms of on the court/field product. 

    In terms of ambition, CUSA has proven to be a better source of upward mobility.  Not sure about the specifics of their respective media deals but I do anecdotally see more CUSA games on than MAC personally.

  16. On 2/28/2024 at 8:45 AM, tailingpermit said:

    You know Gus is going to bolt the second he gets a better offer, UCF’s facilities are shit.  

    There’s only one place he’d possibly go to and if he does so be it.  I don’t care, we make the coaches not the other way around.  Personally, I feel like he’s retiring a Knight but can never discount the call to home…even if it’s not a better situation (RIP Frost).

  17. On 2/27/2024 at 11:10 PM, NorCalCoug said:

    They have a small fanbase - easily the smallest in the BigXII.  Nobody cares about Houston, even in their home market.

    Not trying to spam the board but good win tonight…it’s just amazing how good the XII is, it’s better than I expected across the board.  Looking forward to baseball kicking into gear here too.  Good times.

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  18. On 2/27/2024 at 8:25 PM, NorCalCoug said:

    Yet they were DEAD LAST in the BigXII last season in average home attendance...  their fan support sucks, and it won't get much better in the BigXII.  They could never muster much fan support even as a member of the SWC.  Nobody cares in Houston.

    https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2023/12/16/byu-and-iowa-state-lead-2023-big-12-football-home-attendance/

    Their arena is really small, doesn’t mean necessarily that they have a small fanbase.  Duke has a smaller arena than us, does that mean they have a smaller fanbase than ucf? That said specifically Houston does have a very fair weather fanbase as a whole, particularly in football.  They do have upside that none of the leftover 8 or most of the pac 4 have though.  

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  19. On 2/27/2024 at 6:53 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

     

    Dude.  Come on.  No G5 school could hope to hire an OC with a decade NFL OC experience as well as NFL HC experience.  The only reason Boise is able to hire a coach of his caliber is because he has the soft warm feels for our school and lives here.  This is a guy that could land a P5 HC job with ease if he wanted to do so.  Or another NFL OC position if he wanted.  He was/is very highly regarded as an NFL offensive mind.  

    Boise is super lucky.  We hired a proven NFL offensive mind.  What he did with Jones-Drew in his time with him was astounding.  He lead the NFL in yards over the course of three seasons with Koetter.  Now he has a clone of Jones Drew in Jeanty. Koetter is a proven QB developer at the highest level as well.  SEC/B1G teams would be stoked to hire an OC with his resume.  Little ole Boise did.  Cus he loves us.

     

    It may not seem like it to you and I know you don’t care anyway but I’m rooting for you guys next season.  I hope Nelson is real..

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