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utenation, on 08 February 2010 - 07:30 PM, said:

Utah was a conference champion last year in both regular season and the MWC Tourney... Do you think anyone in the national scene cares about that or do they remember Utah getting dusted by AZ?

Let me ask you a question UteNation, would you trade those MWC trophies for a win vs AZ in the NCAA's?

[utenation]

Rosegreen, on 08 February 2010 - 07:35 PM, said:

Let me ask you a question UteNation, would you trade those MWC trophies for a win vs AZ in the NCAA's?

In a heartbeat.

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utenation, on 08 February 2010 - 07:39 PM, said:

In a heartbeat.

I rest my case.

[HD1]

utenation, on 08 February 2010 - 06:30 PM, said:

You need to get out of the bubble... There is only one thing that matters in NCAA hoops... If the MWC does not perform in the Dance, we are left with conference battles nobody cares about except apparently BYU fans..


Utah was a conference champion last year in both regular season and the MWC Tourney... Do you think anyone in the national scene cares about that or do they remember Utah getting dusted by AZ? What about AFA? UNM?

Talk about living in a bubble...you really think people remember Arizona beating Utah last year in the NCAA's? Are you joking? How many people can can even remember the teams in the sweet sixteen or elite 8 from the last couple years? On a national scale people don't remember who won the mountain west, but they also don't remember if Utah or if any other mwc team won or lost in the first round. They remember the national champions but little else. The conference race does prove who the best team is over the long haul of the season. How you can argue against that is laughable. That's like saying BYU was better than TCU in football this year because they played a BCS opponent and won their bowl game and TCU did not. That would be idiotic. Or it's like saying Utah has been better than BYU in sports this year because of womens gymastics rather than looking at what has actaully happened on both the football field and basketball courts.

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HD1, on 08 February 2010 - 09:51 PM, said:

How many people can can even remember the teams in the sweet sixteen or elite 8 from the last couple years?

Recruits do. At least the top level ones. The ones we want. Also the pollsters putting together preseason hype. Tournament wins build programs. MWC titles do not.

[HD1]

SharkTanked, on 08 February 2010 - 10:05 PM, said:

Recruits do. At least the top level ones. The ones we want. Also the pollsters putting together preseason hype. Tournament wins build programs. MWC titles do not.

You're right...I can't tell you how far ahead the Arizona program is over BYU right now because of that tournament win Arizona had in the first round last year. And UNLV is so much farther ahead of BYU right now because of their 3 tournament wins in the last 18 years, while BYU doesn't have a single one. If tournament wins where so huge in the building the program and making them so much more talented, wouldn't UNLV have an easy time winning the conference instead of BYU...even just one time? Like I said all along, there is very little difference between BYU and UNLV basketball programs right now and I know that pains you.

[utenation]

HD1, on 08 February 2010 - 10:51 PM, said:

Talk about living in a bubble...you really think people remember Arizona beating Utah last year in the NCAA's? Are you joking? How many people can can even remember the teams in the sweet sixteen or elite 8 from the last couple years? On a national scale people don't remember who won the mountain west, but they also don't remember if Utah or if any other mwc team won or lost in the first round. They remember the national champions but little else. The conference race does prove who the best team is over the long haul of the season. How you can argue against that is laughable. That's like saying BYU was better than TCU in football this year because they played a BCS opponent and won their bowl game and TCU did not. That would be idiotic. Or it's like saying Utah has been better than BYU in sports this year because of womens gymastics rather than looking at what has actaully happened on both the football field and basketball courts.

Under the fat man, why could Utah get away with murder most years in OOC play, dominate the conference mostly but not secure the MWC Tourney auto bid and land good seeds?

Win in the dance consistently... The people in the know that follow and rate hoops only care about this. You can ask anyone with a clue..

Enjoy 8-9 seeds brutha...Until you get that monkey off your back or just improve your OOC in regular season..

Either way, don't pop your bubble, life can be dangerous..

[Mars]

Reb Baron, on 08 February 2010 - 05:55 PM, said:

And yet this Juggernaut of MWC power, BYU, has not won a tournament championship to go with those titles. I wonder what happened there?

BYU has won a MWC men's basketball Tournament.

[HD1]

utenation, on 09 February 2010 - 12:44 AM, said:

Under the fat man, why could Utah get away with murder most years in OOC play, dominate the conference mostly but not secure the MWC Tourney auto bid and land good seeds?

Win in the dance consistently... The people in the know that follow and rate hoops only care about this. You can ask anyone with a clue..

Enjoy 8-9 seeds brutha...Until you get that monkey off your back or just improve your OOC in regular season..

Either way, don't pop your bubble, life can be dangerous..

"Dominate the conference". Thanks Ute fan, that's my exact point. If one team is clearly better than another, they WILL win their conference too. That's why I question UNLV fans that say how superior they are to BYU. ("UNLV>BYU. period.")

As far as the last part of your post "brutha", I'm not sure where that came from, or how that relates to my point that there is very little difference between UNLV and BYU right now. I think that's probably sour grapes from Utah losing to BYU.

[Reb Baron]

Mars, on 09 February 2010 - 03:19 AM, said:

BYU has won a MWC men's basketball Tournament.

And UNLV has won a Conference Regular Season Championship, so what's your point?

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HD1, on 08 February 2010 - 11:30 PM, said:

You're right...I can't tell you how far ahead the Arizona program is over BYU right now because of that tournament win Arizona had in the first round last year. And UNLV is so much farther ahead of BYU right now because of their 3 tournament wins in the last 18 years, while BYU doesn't have a single one. If tournament wins where so huge in the building the program and making them so much more talented, wouldn't UNLV have an easy time winning the conference instead of BYU...even just one time? Like I said all along, there is very little difference between BYU and UNLV basketball programs right now and I know that pains you.

Well, we have won the conference. It didn't help our recruiting as much as the sweet 16 did. And I wasn't saying we are so much farther ahead of BYU. I just said I would rather have tourney wins than conference titles. You said the rest.

Also I tend to think BYU has inherent recruiting advantages that schools like us don't. We probably need ncaa wins to build from more than you do.

[Italics]

Reb Baron, on 09 February 2010 - 12:28 PM, said:

And UNLV has won a Conference Regular Season Championship, so what's your point?

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I guess the fact that what UNLV did two decades ago doesn't change the fact that BYU - over the last 4-5 years - has been the more relevant team in basketball. And if BYU were even remotely CLOSE to being as relevant as UNLV, it would still say a whole lot about UNLV's irrelevancy, seeing as they pour their hearts and soul into basketball, while BYU excels moreso in other sporting programs (Football, volleyball, rugby, track...)

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Italics, on 09 February 2010 - 09:28 PM, said:

I guess the fact that what UNLV did two decades ago doesn't change the fact that BYU - over the last 4-5 years - has been the more relevant team in basketball. And if BYU were even remotely CLOSE to being as relevant as UNLV, it would still say a whole lot about UNLV's irrelevancy, seeing as they pour their hearts and soul into basketball, while BYU excels moreso in other sporting programs (Football, volleyball, rugby, track...)

In the same amount of time UNLV has won 3 more tournament games then BYU. I really don't understand how you're more relevant. Allow me to explain it in a setting that you might understand. The conference crown is like a small office, the NCAA tournament is like a corporation. Being the best in an office is good but being the best in a corporation is better. Because there's more challengers and it's harder in general to be good in it.

[npliam]

SharkTanked, on 09 February 2010 - 07:56 PM, said:

Well, we have won the conference. It didn't help our recruiting as much as the sweet 16 did. And I wasn't saying we are so much farther ahead of BYU. I just said I would rather have tourney wins than conference titles. You said the rest.

Also I tend to think BYU has inherent recruiting advantages that schools like us don't. We probably need ncaa wins to build from more than you do.

While it is true that we have some recruiting advantage we also have to get the kind of kids that are willing to abstain from pre-marital sex and alcohol. How many players on UNLV's team would be willing live by the honor code? I am not saying BYU's kids are better they just have different rules so don't get on the "holier than thou" crap.

[Italics]

ToddL18, on 09 February 2010 - 09:45 PM, said:

In the same amount of time UNLV has won 3 more tournament games then BYU. I really don't understand how you're more relevant. Allow me to explain it in a setting that you might understand. The conference crown is like a small office, the NCAA tournament is like a corporation. Being the best in an office is good but being the best in a corporation is better. Because there's more challengers and it's harder in general to be good in it.

Yes, forget everything else. Forget other sports, what college fans think, what the money says, what the fanbase sizes say, forget it all.
UNLV has THREE - count 'em THREE wins - in the NCAA tourney over the past 17 years... that makes them more relevant than BYU.

Your logic astounds me.

[ToddL18]

Italics, on 09 February 2010 - 10:05 PM, said:

Yes, forget everything else. Forget other sports, what college fans think, what the money says, what the fanbase sizes say, forget it all.
UNLV has THREE - count 'em THREE wins - in the NCAA tourney over the past 17 years... that makes them more relevant than BYU.

Your logic astounds me.

UNLV was ranked in Forbes for program and money, If you ask a question on a football forum most likely football fans are more accustom to knowing BYU. Transversely on a basketball forum UNLV will be more well known and get the nod. The initial question was who's more revelant on national scale in basketball. Not all together you guys added that to try to make a point I don't understand what part of my arguement that your not getting.

Either I'm tired of argueing with you because it's not worth my time have a good day and please continue to spread your rheotoric.

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npliam, on 09 February 2010 - 08:50 PM, said:

While it is true that we have some recruiting advantage we also have to get the kind of kids that are willing to abstain from pre-marital sex and alcohol. How many players on UNLV's team would be willing live by the honor code? I am not saying BYU's kids are better they just have different rules so don't get on the "holier than thou" crap.

True, but the same kids who are subject to your advantage are raised by those rules and already are committed to them before applying. And my crap is certainly not "holier than thou."

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Italics, on 09 February 2010 - 08:28 PM, said:

I guess the fact that what UNLV did two decades ago doesn't change the fact that BYU - over the last 4-5 years - has been the more relevant team in basketball. And if BYU were even remotely CLOSE to being as relevant as UNLV, it would still say a whole lot about UNLV's irrelevancy, seeing as they pour their hearts and soul into basketball, while BYU excels moreso in other sporting programs (Football, volleyball, rugby, track...)

Wow, I was wondering where our heart and soul went. I figured they got cut in the last round of budget cuts. Who knew Kruger stole them? You gotta watch them Kansas boys. Thanks for finding them Italics.

[Italics]

ToddL18, on 09 February 2010 - 10:13 PM, said:

UNLV was ranked in Forbes for program and money, If you ask a question on a football forum most likely football fans are more accustom to knowing BYU. Transversely on a basketball forum UNLV will be more well known and get the nod. The initial question was who's more revelant on national scale in basketball. Not all together you guys added that to try to make a point I don't understand what part of my arguement that your not getting.

Either I'm tired of argueing with you because it's not worth my time have a good day and please continue to spread your rheotoric.

With each post you make, your severe case of delusional-ism appears to be getting worse.

Now you are implying that if I asked the question "which team is more relevant in college sports, and helps the MWC's case more" on a basketball forum - that UNLV would be the most popular answer?
Please, PLEASE tell me that you only said that because you like arguing.

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Italics, on 09 February 2010 - 10:33 PM, said:

Now you are implying that if I asked the question "which team is more relevant in college sports, and helps the MWC's case more" on a basketball forum - that UNLV would be the most popular answer?

I think it would be TCU or Utah.

[Italics]

SharkTanked, on 09 February 2010 - 11:39 PM, said:

I think it would be TCU or Utah.

TCU, BYU, and Utah are typically mentioned together (seeing as most threads on other forums about them are not SPECIFICALLY about any of those teams, but rather the MWC as a whole)

UNLV, however, I have yet to see mentioned as an argument in favor of the MWC being made a BCS conference - it's always the opposite.
UNLV fans - since all you can talk about is what a nationally revered powerhouse you are - I'm sure you can provide me with some contrary evidence, right?

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Italics, on 09 February 2010 - 10:42 PM, said:

TCU, BYU, and Utah are typically mentioned together (seeing as most threads on other forums about them are not SPECIFICALLY about any of those teams, but rather the MWC as a whole)

UNLV, however, I have yet to see mentioned as an argument in favor of the MWC being made a BCS conference - it's always the opposite.
UNLV fans - since all you can talk about is what a nationally revered powerhouse you are - I'm sure you can provide me with some contrary evidence, right?

You are making a football argument. We know we suck in football and are one of the teams holding the conf back from AQ status.

Seems to me most UNLV fans involved in this discussion were talking about basketball program comparisons.

[Reb Baron]

Italics, on 09 February 2010 - 08:28 PM, said:

I guess the fact that what UNLV did two decades ago doesn't change the fact that BYU - over the last 4-5 years - has been the more relevant team in basketball.

You have to be delusional.

First off "two decades" I didn't know the MWC has been around for two decades otherwise how could UNLV have a MWC Regular Season Championship Trophy with UNLV's name on it in it's trophy case.
Not only delusional but a jester too.
More relevant the last 4-5 years, really, more relevant to who, BYU fans?

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[npliam]

SharkTanked, on 09 February 2010 - 11:15 PM, said:

True, but the same kids who are subject to your advantage are raised by those rules and already are committed to them before applying. And my crap is certainly not "holier than thou."

I agree it is just hard to get outside of "our advantage". We really can't get into too many top recruits homes unless the kids are Mormon. It works out great if they are Mormon but it's almost always a no go if they are not.

[Reb Baron]

Italics, on 09 February 2010 - 10:42 PM, said:

TCU, BYU, and Utah are typically mentioned together (seeing as most threads on other forums about them are not SPECIFICALLY about any of those teams, but rather the MWC as a whole)

I've seen those threads they go like this...
Q: What are the best football teams in the MWC?
A: That would be TCU, Utah, Boise State and ummm oh yeah sometimes BYU and Air Force.

Q: What are the best basketball teams in the MWC?
A: That would be UNLV and Utah

Q: What about BYU?
A: Are they in the MWC?

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