[sdsuphilip1]

ttt

[Poster17]

Going to go with recent history.

1. Marriott Center - the record over the last few years speaks for itself.
2. The Pit - good crowds, tough environment most of the time
3. Thomas & Mack Center - for a big game, not a tougher place to play, but every once in a while a slip up happens (i.e. Utah this year)
4. SDSU (whatever they call it now) - always a tough place to get a win. Best student section in the conference.
5. Huntman's Center - personally, the worst venue I've been too, but the Utes are always tough there.
6. Arena Auditorium - WYO is down and crowds are small, but a packed AA is as tough as any place in the conference.
7. Air Force (don't know the name) - same as what I said about the AA.
8. The Fort - good crowds and going to be a tough win the next few years.
9. TCU - pathetic crowds put them at this spot.

[Reb Baron]

NorCalCoug, on 06 February 2010 - 09:33 AM, said:

Well does the T&M feature a halftime show of dancing grandma's and a solo by a high kicking 93 year old that can do a split? Didn't think so......

Nothing as good as that!...We get this stuff like this forced on us...





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[Fort Fun]

Reb Baron, on 06 February 2010 - 03:01 PM, said:

Nothing as good as that!...We get this stuff like this forced on us...



.

Zoom cameraman, zooooooooooooooom!

[Rebels18]

It's the Thomas and Mack Center. Period.-- Handed BYU their worst lost of the season.

[liloldlobo]

Once again from the belly of the beast AKA "the PIT" the Lobos are victorious, and the roar was deafening.

The PIT remains the standard to which all others are judged.

[Hoser]

Rebels18, on 06 February 2010 - 01:24 AM, said:

Same could be said for UNLV-- Thomas and Mack saw most of its games post-Glory days..17 years of meltdown (Thanks to Maxson sabotaging Rebel BB).. The Convention Center had a even more imposing winning % (around .851) thanks in part to the teams of the 70s and 80s. Both teams have seen its share of mediocre teams over many years(see 1992-2006)--That's no excuse. That's why its calculated by winning % and not overall record--Every team has its down years. By the way, to answer your question, yes I have made it down to the Pit in 2003 (if memory serves the Rebels drummed the Lobos by 10 points)

look up the history of Lobo-Rebel games I think you will find a game where the Lobos whipped the Rebs with Tark at the helm in the T&M.

[mataipaepae]

with out a doubt the PIT!!!! ever utes nightmare place.

[The Ayatollah Rip]

OK since we have determined that the T&M's home court advantage isn't really that tough, can we all stop crying about the MWCT?

[SwimBikeRun]

I voted based strictly on recent history, since the inception of the MWC. Over that time span, the Marriott Center clearly wins, IMO.

Italics, on 06 February 2010 - 12:06 AM, said:

Well?

[SnowbirdJunkie]

So far BYU is the only team to not lose at home this year. Just saying. BYU beat UNLV and Utah at home. Other two tough tests remain in UNM and SDSU.

[Italics]

Rebels18, on 06 February 2010 - 04:51 PM, said:

It's the Thomas and Mack Center. Period.-- Handed BYU their worst lost of the season.

I'm going to sum up the logic of Rebel fans today as the following: Because of one great game (more like one great half), Trevon is the POY, and the T&M is automatically the most difficult arena to play in.

Talk about "living in the moment."

[Cuttslam]

I'll say the UW Double A...........You try to play in front of 500 people.

[DefendTheStreak]

The Ayatollah Rip, on 06 February 2010 - 09:24 PM, said:

OK since we have determined that the T&M's home court advantage isn't really that tough, can we all stop crying about the MWCT?

The Ayatollah Rip wins the thread

[Reb Baron]

Italics, on 06 February 2010 - 10:36 PM, said:

I'm going to sum up the logic of Rebel fans today as the following: Because of one great game (more like one great half), Trevon is the POY, and the T&M is automatically the most difficult arena to play in.

Talk about "living in the moment."

I'm going to sum up the logic of the BYU fans today as the following: BYU loses after their fans have been claiming supreme conference ownership for weeks and now they are having trouble dealing with it.

I think deep down they know their basketball program is slowly taking a back seat in the conference to two other teams, just like in football, only this time it's basketball and it's to UNLV and UNM.

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[npliam]

Reb Baron, on 07 February 2010 - 01:06 AM, said:

I'm going to sum up the logic of the BYU fans today as the following: BYU loses after their fans have been claiming supreme conference ownership for weeks and now they are having trouble dealing with it.

I think deep down they know their basketball program is slowly taking a back seat in the conference to two other teams, just like in football, only this time it's basketball and it's to UNLV and UNM.

.

The funny part is I think you actually believe this.

[SharkTanked]

Italics, on 06 February 2010 - 10:36 PM, said:

I'm going to sum up the logic of Rebel fans today as the following: Because of one great game (more like one great half), Trevon is the POY, and the T&M is automatically the most difficult arena to play in.

Talk about "living in the moment."

So the fact that we are now tied for first with you has no bearing? Our enthusiasm was all because of this one game and none of the other games matter to us?

Talk about "living in Provo."

The only people who care about conference champs, MWC tournament champs, POY's, toughest gyms, FOY's first team all-conference or any other insignificant stat are people who do not understand college basketball.

The MWC is not a great basketball conference. It is a mediocre one (sneaking into the "good" category if we can get 3 teams ranked). Since it is not great, any award or title given by the conference isn't' worth the fabric for the banner. The only thing that should matter to MWC schools, since we are only a mediocre conference, is NCAA tournament victories. That is where the rubber hits the road for our conference. That is the only thing that matters in college basketball. It is the primary revenue generator outside ticket sales, and it is the only thing top talent recruits care about (try telling them about your conference championships or your "most feared arenas"). It is the primary measurement for a program's and coach's success. In other conferences, coaches are fired for lack of tournament victories. Those are the conferences where conference championships mean something.

I'm not going to brag on the T&M vs the Pit vs the Marriott, or postulate on Jimmer vs Tre for POY, because things like that only matter if you are in a great basketball conference.

We are not.

NCAA tourney wins are the only thing that matter and it has been one year too long since we have gotten one. Everything else is mindless banter.

[Reb Baron]

npliam, on 07 February 2010 - 12:09 AM, said:

The funny part is I think you actually believe this.

It doesn't matter if I believe it or not, what matters is if BYU fans believe it.
Of course you will deny it in public but I'm sure in the dark of night while curled up in your beds there are many among you that toss and turn, unable to fall asleep. Deep down inside they know what is coming, all the signs are there, the end is near and all hope is lost.

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[Rosegreen]

Cuttslam, on 07 February 2010 - 12:01 AM, said:

I'll say the UW Double A...........You try to play in front of 500 people.

Used to be a tough place to play, I remember in the old days where UNLV went in there and that place was packed to the gills.

[npliam]

Reb Baron, on 07 February 2010 - 01:38 AM, said:

It doesn't matter if I believe it or not, what matters is if BYU fans believe it.
Of course you will deny it in public but I'm sure in the dark of night while curled up in your beds there are many among you that toss and turn, unable to fall asleep. Deep down inside they know what is coming, all the signs are there, the end is near and all hope is lost.

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How did you know? I mean we have all collectively tried to hide our worst fears of being surpassed in basketball by the rest of the conference but I can hide it no more. I will curl up in my bed tonight and toss and turn unable to fall asleep because I know the end is near and all hope is lost.

[Reb Baron]

npliam, on 07 February 2010 - 12:52 AM, said:

How did you know? I mean we have all collectively tried to hide our worst fears of being surpassed in basketball by the rest of the conference but I can hide it no more. I will curl up in my bed tonight and toss and turn unable to fall asleep because I know the end is near and all hope is lost.

Now you're talking, acceptance is the first step to a good nights sleep.



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[npliam]

SharkTanked, on 07 February 2010 - 01:15 AM, said:

So the fact that we are now tied for first with you has no bearing? Our enthusiasm was all because of this one game and none of the other games matter to us?

Talk about "living in Provo."

The only people who care about conference champs, MWC tournament champs, POY's, toughest gyms, FOY's first team all-conference or any other insignificant stat are people who do not understand college basketball.

The MWC is not a great basketball conference. It is a mediocre one (sneaking into the "good" category if we can get 3 teams ranked). Since it is not great, any award or title given by the conference isn't' worth the fabric for the banner. The only thing that should matter to MWC schools, since we are only a mediocre conference, is NCAA tournament victories. That is where the rubber hits the road for our conference. That is the only thing that matters in college basketball. It is the primary revenue generator outside ticket sales, and it is the only thing top talent recruits care about (try telling them about your conference championships or your "most feared arenas"). It is the primary measurement for a program's and coach's success. In other conferences, coaches are fired for lack of tournament victories. Those are the conferences where conference championships mean something.

I'm not going to brag on the T&M vs the Pit vs the Marriott, or postulate on Jimmer vs Tre for POY, because things like that only matter if you are in a great basketball conference.

We are not.

NCAA tourney wins are the only thing that matter and it has been one year too long since we have gotten one. Everything else is mindless banter.

I really think you would be singing a diferent tune if you team had anything but a couple of tournament wins to show for themselves.

Fact is conference championships do matter. POY award do matter and tournament wins also matter. BYU has lost a bunch of tournament games in a row and that hurts but to pretend that the only thing that matters is a tournament wins is just stupid.

[npliam]

Reb Baron, on 07 February 2010 - 01:56 AM, said:

Now you're talking, acceptance is the first step to a good nights sleep.



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What do you know. I am feeling better already, almost like it never really happened.

[Reb Baron]

npliam, on 07 February 2010 - 12:58 AM, said:

What do you know. I am feeling better already, almost like it never really happened.

That's just self delusion, a sure sign of a relapse. Don't fall for it.

.

[npliam]

Reb Baron, on 07 February 2010 - 02:04 AM, said:

That's just self delusion, a sure sign of a relapse. Don't fall for it.

What would a lowly arrogant, self righteous, whinny BYU fan do without you?

Thank you, thank you, thank you!