[DefendTheStreak]

utenation, on 08 February 2010 - 09:32 PM, said:

I have an open mind to this thing.. I'd love to see those stats and compare apples to apples..

Snag those stats and post 'em here and let's hash it out... Invite those fans here too in good spirit. We love to crunch numbers here.

His name is yellowsubmachine and he's a media wizard. I'll try to get him in the mix if I can't find his threads.

[Reb Baron]

Rosegreen, on 08 February 2010 - 08:51 PM, said:

Honestly, that sounds better than hearing a BYU suckfest.

Least those recruits were watching the ****ing game. Ask joe blow playing ball in HS in LA and ask him if he has watched UNLV on the Mtn. Guarantee he will look at you like you are some alien life form.

So you think a recruit decides where he's going to play ball by sitting in front of his TV tuned into ESPN until one day he see's the team of his dream.

OK here's somewhat of a description of the way it works.

Let's assume the kid just arrived on Earth and he's a baller.

The first thing he would do is look at who is ranked in the top 25, then look at who has been there for several years. He watches the NCAA Tournament on CBS and see's which teams win or at least play the game in the style he likes.

Those would be the teams he would want to strive for.
So let's say UNLV meets his criteria, a few of his friends saw them play on this little network called the Mtn. His coach say's they are the real deal with an ex-NBA coach and a past National Championship.

His Summer Leauge team is playing in a Tournament in Las Vegas this year so his coach clues him in on UNLV.

So now he's decided that perhaps UNLV is where he wants to go, so he goes home and waits for them to show up on ESPN, WRONG, he finds out what channel he can see them on and if he can't get them himself he asks around until he finds somewhere he can see that channel, perhaps a friend, his coach or just looking through the back door of a bar down the street.
If the kid wants to play for a team he will find that team on TV. And he can find the MWC nationally if he desires it.

I haven't even mentioned UNLV recruiters knocking on his door. Sending him DVD's of UNLV games.

Or the newspapers, sports news, etc.

UNLV just jumped from around 11 points in the latest polls (both of them) to over 200 points. That doesn't usually happen when you beat a team at home by 14 points even if they are ranked #12.
Someone, no a lot of ones, saw that game or parts of it, or heard about it or read about it. But the point is they knew about it even though it wasn't shown on ESPN. You think recruits were kept out of this loop?

Really need I go on? I think I've proven my point.
Recruits will find UNLV if they want to whether it's on ESPN or the MTN, CBS C or Versus.

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[DefendTheStreak]

e-zone99, on 08 February 2010 - 09:24 PM, said:

See ESPN is still nice to UNLV, maybe that why he wants to go back to the "Black Hole" to the non-Auto teams that is ESPN.
Link; http://espn.go.com/n...tch0912/week-12

You don't think that the exposure UNLV got from Willis being named ESPN player of the week on Sunday help get us votes for the AP poll and the Coach poll. I had no notion that we would be back in the top 25 this week. We jumped from 33 to 23. That's all ESPN exposure right there.

That goes for you too Baron....

[calpoke25]

npliam, on 08 February 2010 - 08:46 PM, said:

Not too many people watch very many regular season college basketball games at all.

This. The biggest college bball game of the regular season probably doesn't even draw half the viewers of the biggest Saturday games in college football.

Unless your team is playing, people just watch whats on in college bball. In football you tune-in to and search for the biggest game thats going on.

[Reb Baron]

DefendTheStreak, on 08 February 2010 - 09:40 PM, said:

That's all ESPN exposure right there.

That goes for you too Baron....

And yet somehow we got that ESPN exposure even though the game was played on Versus. Wow imagine that someone saw the game, they must have been hiding in a closet at the ESPN studio.

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[utenation]

DefendTheStreak, on 08 February 2010 - 10:40 PM, said:

You don't think that the exposure UNLV got from Willis being named ESPN player of the week on Sunday help get us votes for the AP poll and the Coach poll. I had no notion that we would be back in the top 25 this week. We jumped from 33 to 23. That's all ESPN exposure right there.

That goes for you too Baron....

How on earth did BYU get into the Top 10 this year on our contract?

You UNLV boys(and gal) are some of the best posters here, IMO but we really need to get a handle on this ESPN nonsense...

Like I said, I'm keeping an open mind here and craving a debate with some numbers...



Maybe we're all missing something Rebelnet has picked up on?

[DefendTheStreak]

Reb Baron, on 08 February 2010 - 09:48 PM, said:

And yet somehow we got that ESPN exposure even though the game was played on Versus. Wow imagine that someone saw the game, they must have been hiding in a closet at the ESPN studio.

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I'm playing both ends against the middle. Like I said I love the deal, but if Cox didn't have VS and I had to shuffle off to a bar to watch the games it may be different.

[Reb Baron]

DefendTheStreak, on 08 February 2010 - 09:51 PM, said:

I'm playing both ends against the middle. Like I said I love the deal, but if Cox didn't have VS and I had to shuffle off to a bar to watch the games it may be different.

Things change, nothing stays the same forever including BYU homer announcers.

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[DefendTheStreak]

I think you misunderstood me Natty.

The guys with the numbers and the stats are all proponents of the .mtn/vs./cbsc. They consistently take the .mtn side with facts and figures only to be brushed aside by the great unwashed love of everything ESPN. Honestly before I found this place, I was one of there minion.

[utenation]

DefendTheStreak, on 08 February 2010 - 10:56 PM, said:

I think you misunderstood me Natty.

The guys with the numbers and the stats are all proponents of the .mtn/vs./cbsc. They consistently take the .mtn side with facts and figures only to be brushed aside by the great unwashed love of everything ESPN. Honestly before I found this place, I was one of there minion.

So what you're saying is Mama is leading the CBS contract sucks campaign? Figures...






Honestly, if the numbers have been presented and they're still stuck on ESPN, that's cool... I think some UNLV fans feel dissed by the MWC anyways which might be the bigger issue.. JMO...


I hope they come around because I think the growth opportunity is off the charts with our current contract..

[SharkTanked]

Wow, this thread has gone all over the place. Almost like a "State of the MWC Address." Good read (blind homerisms aside).

Personally, I am a fan of the TV deal, as I don't think anyone really watches regular season anymore (even most recruits). It's all about the dance now, more so than it has ever been. Why follow teams all season (especially when you have your own high school ball to worry about) when it is all neatly condensed into a few weeks amongst the teams that really matter?

And this is why I will always want wins in the Dance over anything else.

I would love to get better talent on theMtn broadcasts, but you gotta crawl before you can walk. That's been my only complaint so far.

[npliam]

DefendTheStreak, on 08 February 2010 - 10:34 PM, said:

Yea, but it's not just that. Watch a BYU game with Todd Christian broadcasting and he basically spends the entire time tell us what the other team did wrong and why BYU wouldn't do that.

I get the whole top dog gets the bone thing, but this garbage happens during the broadcast.

We had a guy call the UNLV game last week that had never seen us play. We're at the switch of the conference season and you haven't seen us play. WTF! How is that decent coverage? Constantly getting our guys name swrong and repeating the same useless information a thousand time. How many times do I have to hear that Derrick Jasper is a transfer from Kentucky? 50 60 times?

The production values are crap, the talent is in BYU pocket, and they still haven't figured out the distribution.

It's great to see every game. Even games from other conference members, but there lots to be desired.

What is funny about this is I feel like Todd Never says anything good about BYU. It is like he is trying so hard to not be a homer that he becomes a hater.

As for the announcers not knowing our players or watching out teams that was at least as bad when we were on ESPN.

[ToddL18]

utenation, on 08 February 2010 - 11:02 PM, said:

So what you're saying is Mama is leading the CBS contract sucks campaign? Figures...






Honestly, if the numbers have been presented and they're still stuck on ESPN, that's cool... I think some UNLV fans feel dissed by the MWC anyways which might be the bigger issue.. JMO...


I hope they come around because I think the growth opportunity is off the charts with our current contract..

I personally like the MWC contract but a few things need to change and change drastically for me to be completely satisfied with it. 1 Our big games in football and basketball need to be nationally televised (CBS/FOX/ABC/ESPN) anything that gets them prime time matchups on TV would be a godsend for team recgnoition it would help our teams in Bowl season as well as teams on the bubble.

2. The conference as a whole needs to fire the on air personalitys not name Marious Payton and Tim Neverrette the rest of the announcers and color commentator sucks.

3. We need to hire professionals who will take this job seriously and understand our teams. I know I may not be the average viewer of the mtn. But I can take most of the starters on every team and a few of the bench players how come our announcers can't even get freaking names right. As for stats and information about the player they need to get more then the regular information. I can understand not knowing much out of conference but in conference they should know all the players, nicknames and quirks and not spew the same garbage as the media guides. Doug Gottlieb knew more about our freaking team then the so called professionals on our network. He did more in depth in his 3 games with us then any of the guys on our network.

4. Be professional and actually have stats around and stat check the ones you do use. This network doesn't do it and that to me bothered me then anything. I can handle a few homers on the network but as a whole we need update that as well as the look of the network it looks like some 8th graders video reports for his home team.

5. All games *major sport ones* that we play at home should appear on the network, NO excuses for this there isn't a reason in the world that is acceptable to not have this work.

If we do the above I think the MWC will be a great network and contract we will also be able to distribute it better because people would want to watch it. It should be promoting our teams and our agenda not just a singular schools or persons. In all we've made good strides but until that is fixed I really won't think the contract is 100% successful.

As for UNLV fans, as I am ones I think the reason most give ESPN the benefit of the doubt is because of how they treated us. UNLV is one of ESPN's golden boy in the same sense of Gonzaga they always give us a semi fair shake and generally do there best to promote us when we were good. Also we had a nice longstanding relationship with them even for a breif post tark time it's hard to overlook that and compare to the mtn.

[NorCalCoug]

UNLV spent almost the entire 1990s and much of last decade on ESPN and there's no evidence that it helped your program. UNLV's program right now is at a better place than it's been in the last 15 years and it got there without ESPN.

I still say far too many folks on this board (and sports fans in general) give too much credit to ESPN exposure. There's ZERO quantitative evidence to suggest ditching the devil's network has hurt the MWC but there's a TON of it that says otherwise.

[Rebels18]

Does it matter what the TV contract has done for UNLV basketball? Since according to several Ute posters and some bum's blog, UNLV and Utah are headed to the Pac-10.

[ToddL18]

NorCalCoug, on 08 February 2010 - 11:27 PM, said:

UNLV spent almost the entire 1990s and much of last decade on ESPN and there's no evidence that it helped your program. UNLV's program right now is at a better place than it's been in the last 15 years and it got there without ESPN.

I still say far too many folks on this board (and sports fans in general) give too much credit to ESPN exposure. There's ZERO quantitative evidence to suggest ditching the devil's network has hurt the MWC but there's a TON of it that says otherwise.

The thing you have to remember Nor is that UNLV and ESPN grew together so there was like a bond with them. Did they do everything in there interest to help UNLV. I don't think they did but still ti worked out nice. UNLV is in a better place because UNLV kind of handled the in house cleaning that needed to happen after tark got ousted. I hope that we never have to go through having a bad administration that did everything in there power to hinder UNLV atheletic success. No telling how powerful we could have come if they actually cared a little.

[utenation]

I started a new thread on the contract issue... There's enough meat here to have it's own thread I think...

Todd, I think your post is solid... BTW...

[e-zone99]

DefendTheStreak, on 08 February 2010 - 10:34 PM, said:

Yea, but it's not just that. Watch a BYU game with Todd Christian broadcasting and he basically spends the entire time tell us what the other team did wrong and why BYU wouldn't do that.

I get the whole top dog gets the bone thing, but this garbage happens during the broadcast.

We had a guy call the UNLV game last week that had never seen us play. We're at the switch of the conference season and you haven't seen us play. WTF! How is that decent coverage? Constantly getting our guys name swrong and repeating the same useless information a thousand time. How many times do I have to hear that Derrick Jasper is a transfer from Kentucky? 50 60 times?

The production values are crap, the talent is in BYU pocket, and they still haven't figured out the distribution.

It's great to see every game. Even games from other conference members, but there lots to be desired.

I didn't know Todd Christian was on broadcasts of basketball games??? As far as football games I don't see the love fest that Todd Christian has for BYU, in fact I often think he goes over sometimes to try not to look bias to BYU and I know I'm not the only BYU fan who feels this way. IMO, he gets it from both sides...

[DefendTheStreak]

e-zone99, on 08 February 2010 - 11:01 PM, said:

I didn't know Todd Christian was on broadcasts of basketball games??? As far as football games I don't see the love fest that Todd Christian has for BYU, in fact I often think he goes over sometimes to try not to look bias to BYU and I know I'm not the only BYU fan who feels this way. IMO, he gets it from both sides...

He did the first and second year; although I was talking about football when I made the post. I've not seen him this year in basketball. You're right, he more than likely does get it from both sides. I can concede that point.

[e-zone99]

ToddL18, on 08 February 2010 - 11:20 PM, said:

I personally like the MWC contract but a few things need to change and change drastically for me to be completely satisfied with it. 1 Our big games in football and basketball need to be nationally televised (CBS/FOX/ABC/ESPN) anything that gets them prime time matchups on TV would be a godsend for team recgnoition it would help our teams in Bowl season as well as teams on the bubble.

2. The conference as a whole needs to fire the on air personalitys not name Marious Payton and Tim Neverrette the rest of the announcers and color commentator sucks.

3. We need to hire professionals who will take this job seriously and understand our teams. I know I may not be the average viewer of the mtn. But I can take most of the starters on every team and a few of the bench players how come our announcers can't even get freaking names right. As for stats and information about the player they need to get more then the regular information. I can understand not knowing much out of conference but in conference they should know all the players, nicknames and quirks and not spew the same garbage as the media guides. Doug Gottlieb knew more about our freaking team then the so called professionals on our network. He did more in depth in his 3 games with us then any of the guys on our network.

4. Be professional and actually have stats around and stat check the ones you do use. This network doesn't do it and that to me bothered me then anything. I can handle a few homers on the network but as a whole we need update that as well as the look of the network it looks like some 8th graders video reports for his home team.

5. All games *major sport ones* that we play at home should appear on the network, NO excuses for this there isn't a reason in the world that is acceptable to not have this work.

If we do the above I think the MWC will be a great network and contract we will also be able to distribute it better because people would want to watch it. It should be promoting our teams and our agenda not just a singular schools or persons. In all we've made good strides but until that is fixed I really won't think the contract is 100% successful.

As for UNLV fans, as I am ones I think the reason most give ESPN the benefit of the doubt is because of how they treated us. UNLV is one of ESPN's golden boy in the same sense of Gonzaga they always give us a semi fair shake and generally do there best to promote us when we were good. Also we had a nice longstanding relationship with them even for a breif post tark time it's hard to overlook that and compare to the mtn.

Interseting... Marious Payton and Tim Neverrette??? I really like Tim and he has a MLB announcer contract to prove he has earned his do... But really what has Marious done to set himself apart from the rest? He does play the roll (question that often goes through my mind is he really playing sometimes) of acting like he has no clue of terminology or plays often, that I wonder if he really doesn't know or is just that good of acting...
I have to say I, lol when read post like your about the mtn talent being bad and how they don't compare to say CBS on providing information and ect... A few thinks you should try to realize:
1) CBS, ABC, NBC, and Fox, are the oldest in the industry and have the greatest amount of money a their disposable.
2) ESPN has been in this industry since 1978, that's 32 years in the Sports Broadcasting industry and the mtn has been around since 2005 (working on 5th year).
3) Guess who pays better? ESPN or the mtn? Now guess how much better? Just the old saying goes, you often get what you can afford.
4) Compare the mtn to say FSN or CBS College Sports (SEC love fest) or Versus and IMO it's pretty fairly comparative.
5) Staff and or broadcast crews- How big of difference in staff in the offices in say the ESPN Bristle offices in Connecticut compared to the mtn in Denver? 3 to 1? Or 4 to 1? Or even maybe as high as 10 to 1 (staff of 250 vs 25, seems very possible)? I'm not talking about ESPN2, ESPN News, ESPN Classic, or even ESPNU, because of them have their own offices and staffs too... I'm pretty sure that FSN, CBS College Sports, and Versus all have much larger staffs than the mtn.

The mtn was never ever designed to give ESPN a run for their money and drive me nuts when MWC fans complain about that we aren't at the level of ESPN. The whole point of the mtn is to broadcast games for the MWC fans, players families, and possible recruits. If you don't like the announcers, nobody has said you can't mute the TV and listen to own teams "Homer" announcers on the radio. I do on any Dicky V game, I would rather hear nothing than him and ESPN pays him "Big Bucks", the guy simply drives me nuts when ever I try listen to him (IMO, the guy often talks just to hear his head rattle).

[Mars]

DefendTheStreak, nplaim, e-zone99 -
Who the hell is Todd Christian?

[sancarlosaztec]

Of the three choices I had to go with the MC. Hands down the toughest place to play on the road.
But we are splitting hairs here. All three belong in a group of the toughest places to play in the country.
SDSU is building towards that list too. When our crowds show regardless of the opponent we will have arrived.