[Vegas Ute]

I don't think we will see any Academy Awards out of this but, at least they don't embarrass themselves.

[LA_Aztec]

How did you embed them?

[Mars]

[nonbcs]

Mars, on Jun 14 2008, 04:29 PM, said:

Now that is funny!!

[Vegas Ute]

Well considering the lack of tailgating or sense of community around LES and the pastel polo wearing wussies and sweet spirits that occupy it I can see why a little jealousy would seep into you view of the MUSS and RES.

Even BYU fans (the honest ones) admit that the atmosphere in RES is far better and the MUSS is part of the reason why. So I will take your (borrowed) photo-shopping as the truest form of compliment.

[IP135]

Vegas Ute, on Jun 14 2008, 07:06 PM, said:

Well considering the lack of tailgating or sense of community around LES and the pastel polo wearing wussies and sweet spirits that occupy it I can see why a little jealousy would seep into you view of the MUSS and RES.

Even BYU fans (the honest ones) admit that the atmosphere in RES is far better and the MUSS is part of the reason why. So I will take your (borrowed) photo-shopping as the truest form of compliment.

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I have been to both...as far as the tailgating, I agree, but alot of that has to do with alcohol. (P.S. Your tailgating is nowhere close to any of the PAC-10 schools I have been too) as far as the rest I think they are both about the same...BYU tends to get more people, but has some pretty apathetic fans, while the U fans base dries up at the first sign of a bad season...either way Vegas is an insecure U homer and will always be one.

[pacougar]

Vegas Ute, on Jun 14 2008, 07:06 PM, said:

Well considering the lack of tailgating or sense of community around LES and the pastel polo wearing wussies and sweet spirits that occupy it I can see why a little jealousy would seep into you view of the MUSS and RES.

Even BYU fans (the honest ones) admit that the atmosphere in RES is far better and the MUSS is part of the reason why. So I will take your (borrowed) photo-shopping as the truest form of compliment.

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Oh really?

GO COUGARS!

[Mars]

Vegas Ute, on Jun 14 2008, 05:06 PM, said:

Well considering the lack of tailgating or sense of community around LES and the pastel polo wearing wussies and sweet spirits that occupy it I can see why a little jealousy would seep into you view of the MUSS and RES.

The pic was all in good fun. No doubt the atmosphere at RES has grown leaps and bounds since 2003 (though it has started to fall back towards the way it was before as of late).

[Vegas Ute]

IP135, on Jun 14 2008, 06:41 PM, said:

...either way Vegas is an insecure U homer and will always be one.

Hmm, I wonder if non-Ute/non-Coog fans read your posts would describe you? I tend to think you would come of as quite insecure and not exactly having an unbiased view of you favorite program. What do you think?

[IP135]

Vegas Ute, on Jun 14 2008, 10:54 PM, said:

Hmm, I wonder if non-Ute/non-Coog fans read your posts would describe you? I tend to think you would come of as quite insecure and not exactly having an unbiased view of you favorite program. What do you think?

This is me offically not caring.....

[nonbcs]

Vegas Ute, on Jun 14 2008, 06:06 PM, said:

Well considering the lack of tailgating or sense of community around LES and the pastel polo wearing wussies and sweet spirits that occupy it I can see why a little jealousy would seep into you view of the MUSS and RES.

Even BYU fans (the honest ones) admit that the atmosphere in RES is far better and the MUSS is part of the reason why. So I will take your (borrowed) photo-shopping as the truest form of compliment.

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Yet you still can't fill your stadium.

Please talking about your Muss section sounds like a add for deoderant.

[Vegas Ute]

nonbcs, on Jun 15 2008, 02:04 PM, said:

Yet you still can't fill your stadium.

Please talking about your Muss section sounds like a add for deoderant.

93.34%...

We actually have a game day atmosphere (which BYU does not), we have more energetic students, better-looking coeds, a better band, intellectual freedom, a nicer stadium, a bigger Jumbotron, real (caffeinated) coke, a pirate ship, and fans that don't need to be begged to wear their school's colors.

So there.

[tacosalad2]

Vegas Ute, on Jun 15 2008, 03:20 PM, said:

93.34%...

We actually have a game day atmosphere (which BYU does not), we have more energetic students, better-looking coeds, a better band, intellectual freedom, a nicer stadium, a bigger Jumbotron, real (caffeinated) coke, a pirate ship, and fans that don't need to be begged to wear their school's colors.

So there.

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Oh brother. After reading that, I started singing, "Little Brother, little brother, come blow your horn."

[DJRoss]

Vegas Ute, on Jun 15 2008, 03:20 PM, said:

93.34%...

We actually have a game day atmosphere (which BYU does not), we have more energetic students, better-looking coeds, a better band, intellectual freedom, a nicer stadium, a bigger Jumbotron, real (caffeinated) coke, a pirate ship, and fans that don't need to be begged to wear their school's colors.

So there.

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BYU has a game day atmosphere. Now if you want to claim yours is better fine, but to disregard BYU altogether is silly.

To claim that your students are more energetic is also silly. It tends to be relative to who is playing who and where the venue is and how well the team is doing that season. Having attended games at both venues I have experienced both sides of that argument.

Better Band? Seriously reaching there unless you can show competitive performances between the two where awards were on the line.

Better Looking Coeds? This has to be one of the dumbest things I ever hear out of the mouths of Ute and BYU fans. As if any University around the world would corner the market on lovely or homely women? Seriously idiotic thing to say. I attended Lund University in Sweden. Should I make the claim that Lunds Coeds are the hottest in the world? Trust me there were hotties everywhere on campus, however there were also many that would not even be considered handsome.

Intellectual Freedom is one of the greatest Red Herrings ever created in the world of Academics. Each University creates their own My way or the Highway culture. It just so happens that the majority of todays American Universities have adopted a similar my way or the highway culture of liberal leaning mantra. Try and set up an ultra conservative curriculum at many of these so called bastions of intellectual freedom and watch the adjuncts and professors get their walking papers. Watch the organizations be banned from campus. Again it cuts both ways.

Your argument of RES being a nicer stadium is also debateable. What are the criteria? What is valued by those attending? RES is newer (due to the Olympic makeover). I personally view RES as being nicer, but that is only my opinion and that can never be a diffinitive argument.

Jumbotron argument is valid. Yours is larger.

The issue of coke served is silly. Who really uses that as an argument of superiority in relation to sporting events?

Pirate Ship? Honestly that is something I would never admit. The Pirate Ship from the back end resembles a dumpster and the connection with Ute Athletics is non existant. The entire Pirate activity serves only to distract from Ute branding. Your team has a cultural connection to a local Native American Tribe. The drum and feather are icons that clarify who the Utes are. Due to PC issues Utah now has a Bird of Prey as their mascot. The connection while a bit stretched is sufficient enough to apply to the "feather" aspect to the Utes. McDonalds has always out branded Burger King due to consistancy in branding. Burger King may provide a superior burger, but that doesn't help them when they continue to confuse the public with a lack of branding identity. Ute fans promoting the pirate ship serve to confuse Ute branding. Bad idea all around.

Regarding wearing the school colors, you have some teeth with this argument. This is directly connected to the same argument regarding the Pirate shp above. Once BYU changed their color scheme to "sell" more swag, they fell into the quagmire that is Nike starting in the late nineties. Uniform changes were occuring in rapid fashion and people were not sure just what was a BYU color. Do I come to the game in Blue, White or Tan? Why isn't my pink colored BYU hoodie acceptable since it says BYU on it? This bled out many fans who were still wearing the Royal Blue of yesteryear. Add to this a tendancy for many BYU fans to show up to the games as a Date where impressing the company kept was more important than actually attending the game. Also pertinant to this argument is the reality that a full stadium of 65K where only 40K are wearing Blue shows less a cohesive front than 30K attending and 20K wearning Red. Red, Orange, Yellow show up more easily on the screen and to the eye than deep blues, purples and dark greens. That is why I am partial to white outs since white shows up amazingly vs the dark blue. It has gotten better, and the campaigns encouraging people to show up in Blue while construed by you as begging is part of the marketing efforts to recover the branding that BYU once had and move it forward. This has been successful, and if the current success on the field continues, much of what has been a problem regarding school colors will disappear.

[Vegas Ute]

Ah, DJRoss have you ever looked back at a post and realized that you have totally missed a joke?

If so this would be a good time to remember that feeling.

I am sorry my little piece of whimsy went over your head, but out of respect to you I will give you a minute to get the fishhook out of your gills.

I do thank you for the entertainment though.

Happy Fathers Day and you know I am right the UofU does have better looking Coed, just ask Palo Alto Coog.

[DJRoss]

Vegas Ute, on Jun 15 2008, 04:22 PM, said:

Ah, DJRoss have you ever looked back at a post and realized that you have totally missed a joke?

If so this would be a good time to remember that feeling.

I am sorry my little piece of whimsy went over your head, but out of respect to you I will give you a minute to get the fishhook out of your gills.

I do thank you for the entertainment though.

Happy Fathers Day and you know I am right the UofU does have better looking Coed, just ask Palo Alto Coog.

Sorry Vegas there is truth in jest and in this case the truth is that while you may have implemented sarcasm, a part of you truly believes the argruments you put forth. Tell me you do not believe any of them other than the factual jumbotron size and I will pull out the hook. Otherwise....

[Vegas Ute]

DJRoss, on Jun 15 2008, 03:26 PM, said:

Sorry Vegas there is truth in jest and in this case the truth is that while you may have implemented sarcasm, a part of you truly believes the argruments you put forth. Tell me you do not believe any of them other than the factual jumbotron size and I will pull out the hook. Otherwise....

Well yes there is truth in jest and the truth is Utah games at RES are a lot more fun than BYU games at LES... Especially Pregame and BYU has no Pregame atmosphere to speak of. RES is a nicer stadium and I have not heard a non-BYU fan contest that point. If you don't believe me just stop and ask the next 10 people you see wearing a Utah shirt and ask them. Let me know the results of your pole.

If you think that I put forward caffeinated coke, pirate ships, and cuter coeds as "serious reasons" for Utah's superiority then you are taking your self too seriously. I guess if I wanted to stretch a point those items do indicate a more fun-loving, diverse, and open attitude the surrounds hundreds of things when you compare the UofU to BYU. But I will be the first to admit that that is a function of attitude.

If BYU fans want to believe that Utah football has nothing to sell then believe that but, the market seems to show that Utah does have a lot to sell. There are reasons why fine upstanding people (some LDS, some not) choose Utah football to root for and not BYU. That does not mean that BYU does not have support, but the idea that RES is some half-empty morgue is a myth that only lives in the minds of Zoobs. Neither observation nor numbers back that belief, do they?

[DJRoss]

Vegas Ute, on Jun 15 2008, 04:40 PM, said:

If BYU fans want to believe that Utah football has nothing to sell then believe that but, the market seems to show that Utah does have a lot to sell. There are reasons why fine upstanding people (some LDS, some not) choose Utah football to root for and not BYU. That does not mean that BYU does not have support, but the idea that RES is some half-empty morgue is a myth that only lives in the minds of Zoobs. Neither observation nor numbers back that belief, do they?

May I ask as to why you wrote the above? Seriously, what was your purpose behind this statement?

[Vegas Ute]

DJRoss, on Jun 15 2008, 04:08 PM, said:

May I ask as to why you wrote the above? Seriously, what was your purpose behind this statement?

Just go to the top of the thread and read down... I think you are sharp enough to see my point.

[Mars]

Vegas Ute, on Jun 15 2008, 01:20 PM, said:

93.34%...

Tickets sold? Yes. Butts in seats? Not even close most games. One game last year, the Utah newspapers reported that there were only about 20,000 people in the stands at RES, with an announced attendance of more than double that (anyone still have that link?). People keep staying home and Whitt is gonna end up the new UNLV head coach.

[DJRoss]

Vegas Ute, on Jun 15 2008, 05:31 PM, said:

Just go to the top of the thread and read down... I think you are sharp enough to see my point.

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I must be dullwitted than, because I still do not see a connection to someone mocking the MUSS through a Fark image and what you said. Again you will need to explain to me why you made that comment.

[Vegas Ute]

Mars, on Jun 15 2008, 05:59 PM, said:

Tickets sold? Yes. Butts in seats? Not even close most games. One game last year, the Utah newspapers reported that there were only about 20,000 people in the stands at RES, with an announced attendance of more than double that (anyone still have that link?). People keep staying home and Whitt is gonna end up the new UNLV head coach.

Yes Utah announces tickets sold, sold for cash money, you have a problem with that? One newspaper reporter said 20,000 with exactly zero back-up and you take that as gospel? Even if he was correct the money was already in the bank.

Now Utah is on the verge of setting a new record for season ticket sales, the demand for student tickets remains high at or near record levels, Utah's apparel sales tops BYU's in the state of Utah. Polls continue to show that in the Salt Lake Valley the UofU is the program of choice, the growth of the SLC metro area and the steadily dropping of the percentage of Utahans that are LDS is positive demographic for Utah football, of course at least half of Utah's fans are LDS so it is not like Utah has to limit themselves to just non-LDS fans.

And that has happened while BYU has done very well on the field and at the gate. Congratulations to BYU after some years of decreasing ticket sales things look good in Provo but, believe it or not Utah seems to be doing just fine at the gates.



The idea that all of those Utah fans that came out of the woodwork in 2003-2004 are fading back into the woods or converting to BYU fans once the Coofs started to win again is simply not borne out by the facts. Heck Utah fans are debating on when to expand RES and unlike BYU fans photo-shopping pictures of LES we are talking about "real" projects that are being looked at by real administrators.

[afafan]

Utah should just try the AFA approach - you don't get a degree unless you attend football games.

[Vegas Ute]

DJRoss, on Jun 15 2008, 06:32 PM, said:

I must be dullwitted than, because I still do not see a connection to someone mocking the MUSS through a Fark image and what you said. Again you will need to explain to me why you made that comment.

Ok I guess I overestimated you...

1) I think the fact that I quoted the comment that inspired my satire (with prerequisite smilies) would clue you in.
2) I hesitate to make the comment (except in jest) that a BYU education really does destroy a sense of humor and leaves the recipient tunnel visioned... But, you seem to be living up to that stereotype.

[Vegas Ute]

afafan, on Jun 15 2008, 07:32 PM, said:

Utah should just try the AFA approach - you don't get a degree unless you attend football games.

I think that is a little more "Military Disciple" than our student body can handle.