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[Nevada Convert]

Just to clear that up. We won there in 2005, not freakin 1948.

[gambit_808]

Nobody cares about another team in Hawaii other than Hawaii. You didnt beat Hawaii in Hawaii since 1948. Stop with all the smoke and mirrors. No one cares about ucf here.

[SharkTanked]

Fascinating...

[soljah808]

Just to clear that up. We won there in 2005, not freakin 1948.

It wasn't against Hawaii..............get your facts straight. You could have beaten McKinley High School for all we care............it still wasn't UH.

[gambit_808]

It's always some kind of excuse. At least Hawaii
Fans know we get owned in Reno. Well, except minus the colt Brennan 07 heisman campaign. I am man enough to admit that even then....we got lucky

[runandgunner]

well that and ault's great time management...but soljah's right as far as we concerned wasn't against the warriors so....

[k5james]

only Nevaduh would brag about winning a game in Hawaii against a team other than Hawaii as if it had any connection to his team's inability to beat Hawaii in Hawaii...

[Nevada Convert]

only Nevaduh would brag about winning a game in Hawaii against a team other than Hawaii as if it had any connection to his team's inability to beat Hawaii in Hawaii...

Oh settle down skippy. The Nevada Hawaii Stadium curse (aka The Brady Bunch Curse) isn't just about playing Hawaii. It's about other horrible performances there (SMU comes to mind), as well. So there's more to it than just the Hawaii team. It's the location.

Nevada has lost 7 games in Hawaii since 2000, and the one in 1968. Then there was a 1948 game we won.
Most of the seven losses occurred before the recent rise of Nevada football. And you might be able to pin two of those on NV that are playing around this level. Both were very very close games where we played bad.

With so many younger guys on the team now that have never experienced the curse, they're not going to give it any thought. Hawaii certainly does have a nice home field advantage on the rock, but teams in the west don't have it too bad compared to teams east of the PT zone.

For me it comes down to this. If we play like we did in the first two games minus the fumbles, we should win big. If a stink bomb team shows up (not too likely) it'll be close and could even lose.

[NevadaFan]

For me it comes down to this. If we play like we did in the first two games minus the fumbles, we should win big. If a stink bomb team shows up (not too likely) it'll be close and could even lose.

Really? Hawaii could be a team that ends the season in the upper-half of the conference for all we know. Nevada will have to play mistake free football to win, and I'm not sure it is capable of that based on the fumbles and penalties that have dominated the season thus far.

[doubleupnv]

For me it comes down to this. If we play like we did in the first two games minus the fumbles, we should win big. If a stink bomb team shows up (not too likely) it'll be close and could even lose.

Really? Hawaii could be a team that ends the season in the upper-half of the conference for all we know. Nevada will have to play mistake free football to win, and I'm not sure it is capable of that based on the fumbles and penalties that have dominated the season thus far.

They have been bad!!

[Nevada Convert]

For me it comes down to this. If we play like we did in the first two games minus the fumbles, we should win big. If a stink bomb team shows up (not too likely) it'll be close and could even lose.

Really? Hawaii could be a team that ends the season in the upper-half of the conference for all we know. Nevada will have to play mistake free football to win, and I'm not sure it is capable of that based on the fumbles and penalties that have dominated the season thus far.

I don't see it that way at all.

1. The run and shoot is gone. They're using a tighter formation with a pro style offense with some quirks. We never did well with that, but it's gone.

2. Gone is Moniz, Rolo is ours, lot of new players with new coaches learning a new system.

3. Graves has his moments, but not a good QB overall.

4. New coaches don't have a lot of experience defending the pistol......a great version of it.

5. Hawaii is young and rebuilding. That's why virtually all the mags have the finishing at the very bottom or a spot or two above.


Anecdotally, looking at how Hawaii faired against USC with their better team, you can see that this Hawaii team is weak.
Their 2010 team went nose to nose with a just as good team and lost 49 to 36. That's very competitive.
Now looking at this years game it was 35-0 at the half. SC started the second and third string guys in the second half and Hawaii was able to score 10 points. If SC had played their starters the entire game. That would've made it likely to have been 49 - 0

So compare 49 - 0 to 49 - 36. This is a much weaker Hawaii team compared to what we're used to seeing.

Lamar is a very bad (one of the very worst) FCS team ranked in the
at over 200. They had a RB that was 5'-3" 139lbs. I'm not joking.

I watched the entire SC and Lamar games, so I've seen what they're about so far. Because of everything I've mentioned, I don't see them as a big threat at all as long as we play basic NV well. Doesn't have to be great, just well.

[ShoichiKUN808]

I don't see it that way at all.

1. The run and shoot is gone. They're using a tighter formation with a pro style offense with some quirks. We never did well with that, but it's gone.

2. Gone is Moniz, Rolo is ours, lot of new players with new coaches learning a new system.

3. Graves has his moments, but not a good QB overall.

4. New coaches don't have a lot of experience defending the pistol......a great version of it.

5. Hawaii is young and rebuilding. That's why virtually all the mags have the finishing at the very bottom or a spot or two above.


Anecdotally, looking at how Hawaii faired against USC with their better team, you can see that this Hawaii team is weak.
Their 2010 team went nose to nose with a just as good team and lost 49 to 36. That's very competitive.
Now looking at this years game it was 35-0 at the half. SC started the second and third string guys in the second half and Hawaii was able to score 10 points. If SC had played their starters the entire game. That would've made it likely to have been 49 - 0

So compare 49 - 0 to 49 - 36. This is a much weaker Hawaii team compared to what we're used to seeing.

Lamar is a very bad (one of the very worst) FCS team ranked in the
at over 200. They had a RB that was 5'-3" 139lbs. I'm not joking.

I watched the entire SC and Lamar games, so I've seen what they're about so far. Because of everything I've mentioned, I don't see them as a big threat at all as long as we play basic NV well. Doesn't have to be great, just well.

For the record,

• Graves is not the starting QB for Hawaii its Sean Schroeder. Schroeder against SC even while on his butt most of the night still was 24-39 with a TD. Against Lamar he was 15-23 for 3TD's.
• The starting Defense and Offense for SC was in til the 4th quarter. Hawaii scored their TD on a long drive against the starting D during the opening drive of the second half.
• Lamar's starting QB is a Kentucky Transfer, their starting RB is not 5ft 3inch(that was one of their WR's I believe); the starting RB is Herschel Sims who was a starter for Oklahoma St and had multiple 100 yard games.He was charged with stealing from a teammate and dismissed. He was the 5th ranked RB in America during 2010. Highly touted HS RB.
• Hawaii's D held SC to under 100 yards rushing(81 total yards on 23 attempts) and 31 of the yards came on one 4th down conversion that went for a TD(take away that and its 50 yards on 22 attempts 2.27 YPA). Our Defense held Lamar to 2 yards rushing till the 4th quarter which is when the backups starting coming in.
• The SC team Hawaii played in 2010 was not the SC team played in 2012. It was Barkley's first game, and Kiffin's first year at SC. That year I believe they finished 8-5 and not looking very impressive and without the weapons they have this year.

Just wanted clear up a few things.

[soljah808]

I don't see it that way at all.

1. The run and shoot is gone. They're using a tighter formation with a pro style offense with some quirks. We never did well with that, but it's gone. The run and shoot may be gone, but so are the sloppy mistakes and miscues that former MAC teams had. Our ST is always better than years past too. Chow has his team one of the most disciplined that I've ever seen and definitely more than the JJ and Mac eras as well. Execution is a progress in the making and most especially for our offense because of the new system. But they are learning and will be ready come game time against Nevada. That I'll tell you.

2. Gone is Moniz, Rolo is ours, lot of new players with new coaches learning a new system. Moniz may be gone, but in his place is Sean Schroeder whom knows the pro-set offense and has started to steady the group. Rolo might be yours, but we aren't running the R&S anymore. And we may have new players and new coaches, but the simple determination to GET BETTER weekly and not make a MISTAKE is being overly emphasized with Chow and staff and I feel Hawaii will be more prepared and ready come the Nevada game. Chow is a game-plan genius and will adjust when the time calls for it. Mac on the other hand.....was NEVER like that, and Nevada still lost against him.

3. Graves has his moments, but not a good QB overall. Now I know you probably don't watch UH football because Graves is NOT our starting QB, its Duke Transfer Sean Schroeder. Had it been graves as QB, I probably wouldn't have given us any chance.....but I do with Sean at the helm.

4. New coaches don't have a lot of experience defending the pistol......a great version of it. Chow learned the system from the man himself in Ault because he ran it at UCLA........so really I don't know what you are talking about. On the other hand though.............Ault and staff will still have to guess about what Chow will try to pull on them because Chow mixes it up. And as the Lamar game would show...........he held a lot of his cards. And will probably let it loose this coming game.

5. Hawaii is young and rebuilding. That's why virtually all the mags have the finishing at the very bottom or a spot or two above. Hawaii may be young and rebuilding...........but with chow them seem to be more disciplined, more determined, more prideful about its program, more dedicated towards the cause, and willing to battle it out and try to get the job done. Preseason polls don't mean squat when it all comes down to it. Last year, Hawaii was predicted to finish FIRST....................with Moniz and some key personnel returning but we ended up 4th. So pre-season predictions don't me s*** to be quite honest.


Anecdotally, looking at how Hawaii faired against USC with their better team, you can see that this Hawaii team is weak.
Their 2010 team went nose to nose with a just as good team and lost 49 to 36. That's very competitive.
Now looking at this years game it was 35-0 at the half. SC started the second and third string guys in the second half and Hawaii was able to score 10 points. If SC had played their starters the entire game. That would've made it likely to have been 49 - 0 It was the first game of the season, ON THE ROAD (Hawaii's bugaboo) and in front of 93,000 fans making it the biggest attendance Hawaii has ever played in front of in SCHOOL HISTORY and against the then #3 team in the land!!! It was a game of learning and being comfortable and trying to put the pieces together. No one expected us to win............however being the first game shouldn't be the barometer of how we will stack up against Nevada. That is flawed thinking.

So compare 49 - 0 to 49 - 36. This is a much weaker Hawaii team compared to what we're used to seeing. Are you comparing the 2010 WAC championship team vs. our 2012 current team? WTF? So many differences I don't even want to start. Again, extremely flawed and I have no understanding of your line of thinking at all.

Lamar is a very bad (one of the very worst) FCS team ranked in the
at over 200. They had a RB that was 5'-3" 139lbs. I'm not joking.
Yes and we won against Lamar in a convincing fashion LIKE WE WERE SUPPOSE TO AT HOME mind you. Now lets take a look at good ol Nevada just a sec: Nevada Defense gave up 228 Net yards rushing and gave up 357 Net yards passing against another scrub team AT YOUR PLACE. You won 45-34 against an FCS opponent at home. I bet you must feel soooooooooooo proud huh?

I watched the entire SC and Lamar games, so I've seen what they're about so far. Because of everything I've mentioned, I don't see them as a big threat at all as long as we play basic NV well. Doesn't have to be great, just well. And by the looks of things in regards to how Nevada has performed against NWST......................I'm liking our chances as well. You could barely get it done at home to an FCS opponent, and yet you think you are going to come into Aloha Stadium where you've never won against UH since 1948 and simply roll!lol Pass the bong to someone else Nevadaconvert because YOU ARE TRIPPIN! I have belief that UH will take it and make it a game.

[runandgunner]

I don't see it that way at all.

1. The run and shoot is gone. They're using a tighter formation with a pro style offense with some quirks. We never did well with that, but it's gone.

2. Gone is Moniz, Rolo is ours, lot of new players with new coaches learning a new system.

3. Graves has his moments, but not a good QB overall.

4. New coaches don't have a lot of experience defending the pistol......a great version of it.

5. Hawaii is young and rebuilding. That's why virtually all the mags have the finishing at the very bottom or a spot or two above.


Anecdotally, looking at how Hawaii faired against USC with their better team, you can see that this Hawaii team is weak.
Their 2010 team went nose to nose with a just as good team and lost 49 to 36. That's very competitive.
Now looking at this years game it was 35-0 at the half. SC started the second and third string guys in the second half and Hawaii was able to score 10 points. If SC had played their starters the entire game. That would've made it likely to have been 49 - 0

So compare 49 - 0 to 49 - 36. This is a much weaker Hawaii team compared to what we're used to seeing.

Lamar is a very bad (one of the very worst) FCS team ranked in the
at over 200. They had a RB that was 5'-3" 139lbs. I'm not joking.

I watched the entire SC and Lamar games, so I've seen what they're about so far. Because of everything I've mentioned, I don't see them as a big threat at all as long as we play basic NV well. Doesn't have to be great, just well.

the things i worry about....

[soljah808]

First off,

• Graves is not the starting QB for Hawaii its Sean Schroeder.
• The starting Defense and Offense for SC was in til the 4th quarter. Hawaii scored their TD on a long drive against the starting D during the opening drive of the second half.
• Lamar's starting QB is a Kentucky Transfer, their starting RB is not 5ft 3inch; its Herschel Sims who was a starter for Oklahoma St and had multiple 100 yard games.He was charged with stealing from a teammate and dismissed. He was the 5th ranked RB in America during 2010. Highly touted HS RB.
• Hawaii's D held SC to under 100 yards rushing(82total yards) and 31 of the yards came on one 4th down conversion that went for a TD.

Just wanted to set a few things straight.

Nevada Convert was talking out of his a** again. He just said he watched all of the games UH has played so far. If he did............he wouldn't have made such a simple mistake as saying that Graves was our QB. LMFAO What an idiot!

You would think for someone that watched our games.............he would know everything you just mentioned. So I smell BULLS*IT!!!

[GANGxGREEN]

we are young indeed knowing that the only senior starting is Paipai Falemalu.

[Joe from WY]

USC 2012 > USC 2010

[soljah808]

My prediction is that it will be a closer game than people are making it out to be and it could go either way! But anyone not believing Hawaii has a chance is truly mistaken.

[soljah808]

USC 2012 > USC 2010

Thank you for setting that one straight.

[NevadaFan]

Here's to a good game.

[Warbow]

The 11th ranked rushing defense (Hawaii) against Nevada's run game. Should be a good battle.

[soljah808]

Here's to a good game.

Yes Most definitely!!! 40,000 fans will be rockin Aloha Stadium just like 2010! Should be a good one.........too bad I have to work.

[thelawlorfaithful13]

If SC had played their starters the entire game. That would've made it likely to have been 49 - 0

So compare 49 - 0 to 49 - 36. This is a much weaker Hawaii team compared to what we're used to

You can't create some baloney speculative score and pass it off as a legitimate number to be used for comparison. It doesn't help illustrate any point; it's just lying.

[NevadaFan]

Yes Most definitely!!! 40,000 fans will be rockin Aloha Stadium just like 2010! Should be a good one.........too bad I have to work.

Always wanted to go to a game there. Nvspuds, you going... again?

[NevadaFan]

The 11th ranked rushing defense (Hawaii) against Nevada's run game. Should be a good battle.

Two keys for Nevada;
Win the TO battle
Limit big plays

Should be a good one IF it can do that. If not, I think Hawaii wins by two scores at home.