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[southfresno]

Most of those schools used to have football. So why don't they start up again? Is it really that expensive? If Div III schools can afford to bus their players, why can't the Big West? They should start a I-AA conference (excluding Boise).
I bet CSULB could be an up and coming team. It's a decent sized city, about the size of Fresno. They could play in the Home Depot Center if they ever became popular enough. Also, Orange County has nothing local to root for so there's a gap in the market. Yeah, Fullerton is more north OC and nobody likes UCI (with a stupid name like Anteaters, do you blame them?) so that is a problem. I think OCers would root for a good CSUF team over a good UCI team.
Maybe some day UCR can capture the IE market and play at a stadium at the 60 and 57 if that ever gets built.
It could be interesting if they add Sac State, UCD, and Cal Poly along with the current Big West teams.
I'd love to see UCSD add a team and move up to D-1 as well.
So why don't they start a California football conference in the Big West? Are pads and tackle dummies so expensive?


Long Beach St.
CSU Fullerton
UCSB
Cal Poly
UC Riverside
UC Irvine
CSU Northridge
UC Davis
Sac State
UCSD

[crixus]

Northridge, Long Beach and Fullerton all dropped football back in the 90's. And the UC's at Riverside, Santa Barbara, San Diego and Irvine have never had it that I know of? Sorry southfresno but don't look for your dream to come true anytime $oon.

[WACedBronco]

The expense in college football isn't in the equipment, travel, etc. It's in the scholarships and Title IX. DII and DIII don't have scholarships so the expenses are much, much lower than they are in the FCS level. If the average scholarship costs the school, say $20,000/year per athlete, that's $1.3 million/year just for the football team, then you have to make sure that you're providing the same number of opportunities to female athletes... that's why they won't add football back.

[Ldino21]

Northridge, Long Beach and Fullerton all dropped football back in the 90's. And the UC's at Riverside, Santa Barbara, San Diego and Irvine have never had it that I know of? Sorry southfresno but don't look for your dream to come true anytime $oon.

UC San Diego had football until 1968, UC Riverside until 1975 (Pat Hill played there), UC Santa Barbara until 1992, the biggest issue has been Title IX and the equal scholarship numbers..

[FresnoStateBulldogFan]

Most of those schools used to have football. So why don't they start up again? Is it really that expensive? If Div III schools can afford to bus their players, why can't the Big West? They should start a I-AA conference (excluding Boise).
I bet CSULB could be an up and coming team. It's a decent sized city, about the size of Fresno. They could play in the Home Depot Center if they ever became popular enough. Also, Orange County has nothing local to root for so there's a gap in the market. Yeah, Fullerton is more north OC and nobody likes UCI (with a stupid name like Anteaters, do you blame them?) so that is a problem. I think OCers would root for a good CSUF team over a good UCI team.
Maybe some day UCR can capture the IE market and play at a stadium at the 60 and 57 if that ever gets built.
It could be interesting if they add Sac State, UCD, and Cal Poly along with the current Big West teams.
I'd love to see UCSD add a team and move up to D-1 as well.
So why don't they start a California football conference in the Big West? Are pads and tackle dummies so expensive?


Long Beach St.
CSU Fullerton
UCSB
Cal Poly
UC Riverside
UC Irvine
CSU Northridge
UC Davis
Sac State
UCSD
SDSU

FIFY

[NAUdude]

sorry, not gonna happen. CSUN dropping football was the best thing they ever did. saved them lots of money and now they brought baseball/softball back, very popular there.

[SDSUStoner]

Sounds like a league CS Fresno might be able to win

[The "V" Guy]

more like one that STDU might actually have acouple of winning seasons in.

[WAC_FAN]

There are movements to bring back football and many BW institutions who dropped it. Several of them have workable D1 stadiums (that they are still paying to upkeep), so start up costs wouldn't be that high.

The plan was for BWC schools to concentrate on non-football sports and excel, but that plan ended up backfiring when football TV money started going through the roof and all the AQ schools started putting that money
into the other sports. Now you pretty much have to play football in order to compete in the smaller stuff as well. (Baseball is one of the last few holdouts, but many AQs schools have started to invest in their programs as well...)

If the economy were better in CA right now, I think that a couple of the bigger BWC schools might be willing to try...

[Jesterrace]

Most of those schools used to have football. So why don't they start up again? Is it really that expensive? If Div III schools can afford to bus their players, why can't the Big West? They should start a I-AA conference (excluding Boise).
I bet CSULB could be an up and coming team. It's a decent sized city, about the size of Fresno. They could play in the Home Depot Center if they ever became popular enough. Also, Orange County has nothing local to root for so there's a gap in the market. Yeah, Fullerton is more north OC and nobody likes UCI (with a stupid name like Anteaters, do you blame them?) so that is a problem. I think OCers would root for a good CSUF team over a good UCI team.
Maybe some day UCR can capture the IE market and play at a stadium at the 60 and 57 if that ever gets built.
It could be interesting if they add Sac State, UCD, and Cal Poly along with the current Big West teams.
I'd love to see UCSD add a team and move up to D-1 as well.
So why don't they start a California football conference in the Big West? Are pads and tackle dummies so expensive?


Long Beach St.
CSU Fullerton
UCSB
Cal Poly
UC Riverside
UC Irvine
CSU Northridge
UC Davis
Sac State
UCSD

The state of California is looking for ways to cut spending. They already have to help fund 5 FBS programs and many more FCS programs. If anything I expect more state funded programs to be cut in the future, not added.

[Dimwhit]

The expense in college football isn't in the equipment, travel, etc. It's in the scholarships and Title IX. DII and DIII don't have scholarships so the expenses are much, much lower than they are in the FCS level. If the average scholarship costs the school, say $20,000/year per athlete, that's $1.3 million/year just for the football team, then you have to make sure that you're providing the same number of opportunities to female athletes... that's why they won't add football back.

This right here is why the Big West won't bring back football. I think it's just too late. Especially since they're all in California (Hawaii excepted) and that state is so screwed up financially. No way to they put money into football.

[sdsu1975]

I thought UCSB's last football season was in 1972.

[GoldenEagleAztec]

Most of those schools used to have football. So why don't they start up again? Is it really that expensive? If Div III schools can afford to bus their players, why can't the Big West? They should start a I-AA conference (excluding Boise).
I bet CSULB could be an up and coming team. It's a decent sized city, about the size of Fresno. They could play in the Home Depot Center if they ever became popular enough. Also, Orange County has nothing local to root for so there's a gap in the market. Yeah, Fullerton is more north OC and nobody likes UCI (with a stupid name like Anteaters, do you blame them?) so that is a problem. I think OCers would root for a good CSUF team over a good UCI team.
Maybe some day UCR can capture the IE market and play at a stadium at the 60 and 57 if that ever gets built.
It could be interesting if they add Sac State, UCD, and Cal Poly along with the current Big West teams.
I'd love to see UCSD add a team and move up to D-1 as well.
So why don't they start a California football conference in the Big West? Are pads and tackle dummies so expensive?


Long Beach St.
CSU Fullerton
UCSB
Cal Poly
UC Riverside
UC Irvine
CSU Northridge
UC Davis
Sac State
UCSD

That's not the IE nor is it in Riverside County. The SR transition is where the L.A. & Orange county lines meet. CSU, Fullerton is located right next to the 57. It would be better suited for the titans to play in that fictional stadium of yours. UCR is an hour away from that transition. Please don't use geography if you don't understand it well.

[GoldenEagleAztec]

Northridge, Long Beach and Fullerton all dropped football back in the 90's. And the UC's at Riverside, Santa Barbara, San Diego and Irvine have never had it that I know of? Sorry southfresno but don't look for your dream to come true anytime $oon.

Actually, matador football (CSUN) was dropped a decade ago. It survived the millennium change, but not much more.

[GoldenEagleAztec]

There are movements to bring back football and many BW institutions who dropped it. Several of them have workable D1 stadiums (that they are still paying to upkeep), so start up costs wouldn't be that high.

The plan was for BWC schools to concentrate on non-football sports and excel, but that plan ended up backfiring when football TV money started going through the roof and all the AQ schools started putting that money
into the other sports. Now you pretty much have to play football in order to compete in the smaller stuff as well. (Baseball is one of the last few holdouts, but many AQs schools have started to invest in their programs as well...)

If the economy were better in CA right now, I think that a couple of the bigger BWC schools might be willing to try...

Social media effort to bring back Titan football. I think their current titan student president included bringing back football as part is his campaign.

https://www.facebook...103172179779294

[GoldenEagleAztec]

Social media effort San Francisco St

https://www.facebook...hostof.vicrowen

[quickdraw]

Where do thses subjects come from. This one is about as rational and relevant as the "Name your crap" thread. WOW

[Ldino21]

I thought UCSB's last football season was in 1972.

http://thebottomline...ated-since-1992

[pokebball]

Most of those schools used to have football. So why don't they start up again? Is it really that expensive? If Div III schools can afford to bus their players, why can't the Big West? They should start a I-AA conference (excluding Boise).
I bet CSULB could be an up and coming team. It's a decent sized city, about the size of Fresno. They could play in the Home Depot Center if they ever became popular enough. Also, Orange County has nothing local to root for so there's a gap in the market. Yeah, Fullerton is more north OC and nobody likes UCI (with a stupid name like Anteaters, do you blame them?) so that is a problem. I think OCers would root for a good CSUF team over a good UCI team.
Maybe some day UCR can capture the IE market and play at a stadium at the 60 and 57 if that ever gets built.
It could be interesting if they add Sac State, UCD, and Cal Poly along with the current Big West teams.
I'd love to see UCSD add a team and move up to D-1 as well.
So why don't they start a California football conference in the Big West? Are pads and tackle dummies so expensive?


Long Beach St.
CSU Fullerton
UCSB
Cal Poly
UC Riverside
UC Irvine
CSU Northridge
UC Davis
Sac State
UCSD

Football would require 4 buses for each game. Budgets only have room for 1.

[Jalapeno]

There are some Division I conferences that have non-scholarship football so it's possible that football could be brought back to the Big West but I don't know if Title IX implications are included in even non-scholarship football.

[UNLV2001]

When UNLV was BWC only Fullerton, LBSU, Pacific, USU, NMSU, SJSU had FB.........might be missing one but when UNR, NMSU & USU defected to the WAC in 1996, that was the end of BWC FB

[mattsarz]

When UNLV was BWC only Fullerton, LBSU, Pacific, USU, NMSU, SJSU had FB.........might be missing one but when UNR, NMSU & USU defected to the WAC in 1996, that was the end of BWC FB

Actually it ended around '99 or '00. Several football only members of the conference were Arkansas St., North Texas, UL-Lafayette and when the Sun Belt decided to sponsor football and couldn't pull some of the WAC members that were left behind by the formation of the MW, the Big West dropped football. Nevada and Boise St. moved to the WAC, USU went indy for a couple years before becoming football only in the Sun Belt and both Idaho and NMSt. went directly to the Sun Belt.

[crixus]

UC San Diego had football until 1968, UC Riverside until 1975 (Pat Hill played there), UC Santa Barbara until 1992, the biggest issue has been Title IX and the equal scholarship numbers..

Thank's for the info.

[SleepingGiantsFan]

Where do thses subjects come from. This one is about as rational and relevant as the "Name your crap" thread. WOW

Naw. That one takes the cake for the lamest thread ever. Anywhere. Any time.

For the edification of others, CSUN dropped football in 2001. The president used massive recruiting violations by the last coach, Jeff somebody, to justify doing something rumor had it was being considered ever since advent of the Cal-NOW settlement. Title IX requires that universities award as many scholarships to women as to men. The CSU system went a step further in settling with the National Organization for Women by agreeing that its campuses would also create a formula for women's scholarships compared to men's. Since CSU campuses all have departments of education and most have nursing, there are always more female students than male students. So, for example, if a campus' student population is 55% women, 55% of the schollies awarded have to go to women. It's no coincidence that since the Cal-NOW settlement was agreed to, Northridge, Fullerton, Long Beach and several smaller campuses like Sonoma State have all dropped football. But that's okay because political correctness is alive and well and that's what matters.

[Maul_theWolfHunters]

Pacific used to play football in the early/mid 90s, in the Big West with Nevada. Sacramento State certainly doesn't need to lateral to another I-AA conference.... they need to move up to D-1 if anything. Sacramento is a city with over 1 million people & doesn't have a D-1 football program within 100 miles to support. There's only so many D-1 teams to go around!