Now that the Sandusky trial is over, and the scumbag has been found guilty on 40+ counts, now is the time where we take a long, hard look at the people and places that enabled this sicko to prolong his predatory actions.
My proposal: Penn State should get the Death Penalty for all men's athletics (since this issue went up to and beyond the AD), for each year that they knew there was a problem but didn't do anything about it.
Since this was first known about, I believe, in 1994, but nothing was done about it until 2011...
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No, I think we should toss in all women's athletics as well.
Total Death Penalty for Penn State, 17 years.
Penn State Delenda Est.
A Modest Proposal Re Penn State...
Started by SierraSpartan, Jun 24 2012 12:24 AM
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Posted 24 June 2012 - 12:27 AM
Now that the Sandusky trial is over, and the scumbag has been found guilty on 40+ counts, now is the time where we take a long, hard look at the people and places that enabled this sicko to prolong his predatory actions.
My proposal: Penn State should get the Death Penalty for all men's athletics (since this issue went up to and beyond the AD), for each year that they knew there was a problem but didn't do anything about it.
Since this was first known about, I believe, in 1994, but nothing was done about it until 2011...
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No, I think we should toss in all women's athletics as well.
Total Death Penalty for Penn State, 17 years.
Penn State Delenda Est.
so why punish the current athletes? why not fire the administrators or arrest them for covering it up?
those damm penn state golfers anyway
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Posted 24 June 2012 - 12:27 AM
From Penn St to St Pen...that would be just but it would never happen. Too much $$ to lose.
But I agree atleast *something* needs to be done. They shouldn't just be allowed to wash their hands of it and move on.
But I agree atleast *something* needs to be done. They shouldn't just be allowed to wash their hands of it and move on.
Dave Rice is not HC material, and will underachieve at UNLV. Every year he is the HC is one year removed UNLV will be from national prominence.
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Posted 24 June 2012 - 12:33 AM
Everyone from Joe Paterno on up was fired.
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Posted 24 June 2012 - 12:37 AM
The NCAA has absolutely no jurisdiction over criminal or civil matters. If they tried to give Penn State the death penalty, Penn State would sue for and win a judgement so large against the NCAA that the organization would go bankrupt.Now that the Sandusky trial is over, and the scumbag has been found guilty on 40+ counts, now is the time where we take a long, hard look at the people and places that enabled this sicko to prolong his predatory actions.
My proposal: Penn State should get the Death Penalty for all men's athletics (since this issue went up to and beyond the AD), for each year that they knew there was a problem but didn't do anything about it.
Since this was first known about, I believe, in 1994, but nothing was done about it until 2011...
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No, I think we should toss in all women's athletics as well.
Total Death Penalty for Penn State, 17 years.
Penn State Delenda Est.
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Posted 24 June 2012 - 12:40 AM
No reason to punish the athletes. Punish any administrators or coaches for any failures on their part, but there is absolutely no reason to punish students that had no part in that mess.
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Posted 24 June 2012 - 01:00 AM
There would be no punishment for the students - as we saw in the Southern Methodist Football DP, any affected students were allowed to transfer, without loss of eligibility.
Quite bluntly, the "don't blame the students for the administrators' actions" line doesn't wash with me. A significant chunk of the fanbase at Penn State (including some current and former athletes) were perfectly willing to sweep this thing under the rug until it got out of hand. At Penn State, there was no God but Joe Paterno, and for several years Jerry Sandusky was his Prophet. No ex cathedra statements were to be countenanced, and the sources of these statements were to be hushed, diverted or otherwise removed.
The best that could be said for Penn State is that they were willfully ignorant about what went on. As it appears right now, the university itself was complicit in Sandusky's actions by allowing him access to children and PSU facilities (at the same time) after the allegations had come up and he was removed from his official duties at the university.
Penn State (as a university) profited to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars in their football program while turning a blind eye to a predator in their midst. Their civil liability in upcoming trials will run into the millions; a grand total of nine-digit total liability is a distinct possibility - it may possibly serve as a de facto Death Penalty for the university.
But the fact remains that the Penn State athletic department, from the head on down, showed the ultimate in lack of institutional control where Sandusky was concerned.
There are times when a stand must be taken - this is one of those times.
Quite bluntly, the "don't blame the students for the administrators' actions" line doesn't wash with me. A significant chunk of the fanbase at Penn State (including some current and former athletes) were perfectly willing to sweep this thing under the rug until it got out of hand. At Penn State, there was no God but Joe Paterno, and for several years Jerry Sandusky was his Prophet. No ex cathedra statements were to be countenanced, and the sources of these statements were to be hushed, diverted or otherwise removed.
The best that could be said for Penn State is that they were willfully ignorant about what went on. As it appears right now, the university itself was complicit in Sandusky's actions by allowing him access to children and PSU facilities (at the same time) after the allegations had come up and he was removed from his official duties at the university.
Penn State (as a university) profited to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars in their football program while turning a blind eye to a predator in their midst. Their civil liability in upcoming trials will run into the millions; a grand total of nine-digit total liability is a distinct possibility - it may possibly serve as a de facto Death Penalty for the university.
But the fact remains that the Penn State athletic department, from the head on down, showed the ultimate in lack of institutional control where Sandusky was concerned.
There are times when a stand must be taken - this is one of those times.
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Posted 24 June 2012 - 01:10 AM
Penn St needs to be made an example of to show schools that nobody is above the law. These crimes were committed by an employee of the athletic department on campus. And everybody just ignored it because they didn't want to damage the institution. This isn't some recruiting violation. This isn't even paying players. This was abusing your position as a member of the Penn State coaching staff to rape children. That, in my opinion, gives the NCAA the authority to come down on Penn St.
I also hope that all the victims sue the University for negligence and are awarded a judgment of 100s of millions of dollars.
I also hope that all the victims sue the University for negligence and are awarded a judgment of 100s of millions of dollars.
One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater.
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Posted 24 June 2012 - 01:38 AM
Discussion of the NCAA giving Penn State the death penalty is severe, but I can't think of any violation by the staff of an NCAA institution that reaches a similar level that surrounded the Sandusky issue.
People were recently outraged over free houses or free tattoos for a few players - this was an extended period of administrators turning a blind eye to repeated criminal acts. And this was something that we know without a doubt that the legendary head coach knew about and failed to take what was legally - and morally - required.
Penn State's administration appears to have done what was necessary to remove Sandusky's activity from their campus, but did nothing else to punish or prevent the activities. I find it difficult to believe that no one in the program's top levels knew about Sandusky, instead they knew and chose to suppress that knowledge and continue business as usual.
IMHO, this is the worst single failure of an NCAA program in history. This makes any violations by SMU - or USC, or Ohio State, or Alabama, or Auburn - pale in comparison.
If this was an act that was done by any other organization - whether it be public corporation or private company - the public would expect the responsible oversight authority to adminster charges, fines and punishment that are extreme and immediate. We should expect no less here
People were recently outraged over free houses or free tattoos for a few players - this was an extended period of administrators turning a blind eye to repeated criminal acts. And this was something that we know without a doubt that the legendary head coach knew about and failed to take what was legally - and morally - required.
Penn State's administration appears to have done what was necessary to remove Sandusky's activity from their campus, but did nothing else to punish or prevent the activities. I find it difficult to believe that no one in the program's top levels knew about Sandusky, instead they knew and chose to suppress that knowledge and continue business as usual.
IMHO, this is the worst single failure of an NCAA program in history. This makes any violations by SMU - or USC, or Ohio State, or Alabama, or Auburn - pale in comparison.
If this was an act that was done by any other organization - whether it be public corporation or private company - the public would expect the responsible oversight authority to adminster charges, fines and punishment that are extreme and immediate. We should expect no less here
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Posted 24 June 2012 - 02:01 AM
The NCAA should do the "death penalty" for at least as long as SMU got it and let athletes transfer immediately with no penalty to them. It was obvious they let Sandusky go as long as he did due to keeping athletics healthy, this definitely should be a NCAA issue. They just don't have the stones to do anything....
so why punish the current athletes? why not fire the administrators or arrest them for covering it up?
those damm penn state golfers anyway
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Posted 24 June 2012 - 06:10 AM
Are you kidding? This is a B1G school! Nothing they ever do will have any repercussions. In all seriousness, I agree with you though. They should replace Penn State with Rutgers U, then completely dissolve the herpes simplex called the big east!
