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B12 to add USF, WVU, &Cincy in 2014 and BYU in 2013


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#1 CUSA/Tallgrass

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:24 AM

http://ncaabbs.com/s....php?tid=518063

Lousiville, USF, Cincy, & WVA in 2014...I left out Louisville in title of post.

#2 Frog Barrister

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:29 AM

Makes total sense.

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:30 AM

God I hope so.

Maybe then the MWC can grab SMU and Houston.

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:32 AM

http://ncaabbs.com/s....php?tid=518063

Lousiville, USF, Cincy, & WVA in 2014...I left out Louisville in title of post.


BYU, West Virginia and L'ville are headed to the Big XII, that's for sure, but my guess is they end at 12. Cincy and USF will be C-USA bound once UConn and Rutgers (or Notre Dame) head to the ACC.

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:34 AM

God I hope so.

Maybe then the MWC can grab SMU and Houston.

With the imminent collapse of the Big East TCU will come back to the MWC which will then add Houston and be done at 12.

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:37 AM

Best programs available are BYU, WVA & UL...........not any reason to add Cincy & USF. just more travel expenses and little return for adding those two.


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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:37 AM

Has this been confirmed by twitter? If not, it is still suspect....

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:38 AM

With the imminent collapse of the Big East TCU will come back to the MWC which will then add Houston and be done at 12.


Getting TCU back would be major + and adding Houston would be the next good move.


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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:43 AM

Best programs available are BYU, WVA & UL...........not any reason to add Cincy & USF. just more travel expenses and little return for adding those two.


Not sure about Cinci and Ohio but the Big12 getting their foot in the Florida recruiting door
would certainly add some value.

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:47 AM

Makes total sense.

Not in the case of USF. They are too much of a geographic outlier.

If it's true as somebody said that the SEC told WVU thanks but no thanks, then the Mountaineers, Louisville and either BYU or Cincinnati make the most sense to me. Actually Cincy makes more sense than BYU. Not because of the MormonTV thing. Rather, as one of the Mandel guys said (I get them confused), because of the no-Sunday restriction and because, again, to get to Provo everybody in the conference would have to fly over two or more states. With UL and WVU also joining, that wouldn't be true for Cincinnati.

So book it. Louisville, Cincinnati and West Virginia to the Big 12.

Oh and that's pretty much going to be the end of the Big East as a football conference. (Sorry USF but you barely warranted being in an AQ conference to begin with. Same for you, UConn and Rutgers, though you may still land on your feet in the ACC.)
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#11 UNLV2001

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:47 AM


Not sure about Cinci and Ohio but the Big12 getting their foot in the Florida recruiting door
would certainly add some value.


The major programs like OU & UT slready recruit from all over..........it might help the 2nd tier of schools. but those programs are probably only going to get sniffs from 2nd/3rd/4th tier FL recruits. FL is SEC country and some ACC and some big time programs like Nebraska, Ohio St. Mich, ND Etc.


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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:51 AM

The major programs like OU & UT slready recruit from all over..........it might help the 2nd tier of schools. but those programs are probably only going to get sniffs from 2nd/3rd/4th tier FL recruits. FL is SEC country and some ACC and some big time programs like Nebraska, Ohio St. Mich, ND Etc.

This. In essence the expansion decision will be made by Texas and Oklahoma and neither needs to have a conference school in Florida in order to get recruits from that state.
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 01:01 AM

This. In essence the expansion decision will be made by Texas and Oklahoma and neither needs to have a conference school in Florida in order to get recruits from that state.

Texas (the 800 lb. gorilla in the Big XII) "Gets what it wants!" Why do you think TCU hasn't been a serious candidate for Big XII expansion?

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 01:06 AM

Other posters not real convincing this is a real insider with any serious info..........

However that is good news for the MWC if any of it actually happens

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 02:24 AM

Has this been confirmed by twitter? If not, it is still suspect....


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Posted 28 September 2011 - 02:26 AM

That Swain guy has about as much credibility as the turd I just flushed down the toilet.
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 02:30 AM

Texas (the 800 lb. gorilla in the Big XII) "Gets what it wants!" Why do you think TCU hasn't been a serious candidate for Big XII expansion?

If Ira Mandel, Stuart Mandel or Whozit Mandel was correct on Tim Brando's show yesterday, Texas isn't going to allow any other school from inside the state to join the Big 12. That includes TCU, Houston, SMU, you name it. UT supposedly thinks the Big 12 already has the state wrapped up TV-wise and bringing in other schools would just help them recruit against the Longhorns. That makes so much sense that it's amazing anybody actually thinks TCU or Houston could be a candidate to join unless the state legislature told UT to back off. Since Texas Tech and Baylor both also have clout in the legislature and probably feel the same as UT, I'm not at all persuaded that Houston is going to be successful in that effort.
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 03:14 AM

If Ira Mandel, Stuart Mandel or Whozit Mandel was correct on Tim Brando's show yesterday, Texas isn't going to allow any other school from inside the state to join the Big 12. That includes TCU, Houston, SMU, you name it. UT supposedly thinks the Big 12 already has the state wrapped up TV-wise and bringing in other schools would just help them recruit against the Longhorns. That makes so much sense that it's amazing anybody actually thinks TCU or Houston could be a candidate to join unless the state legislature told UT to back off. Since Texas Tech and Baylor both also have clout in the legislature and probably feel the same as UT, I'm not at all persuaded that Houston is going to be successful in that effort.


Texas is being really stupid about this and the other Big 12 schools need to tell the Horns that they will not go along with this.

Texas does not want TCU or Houston or SMU in the Big 12 because it does not want to give the non-Texas schools of the Big 12 another chance to play inside Texas, especially not in DFW or Houston.

The Big 12 is dangerously close to losing Houston as a primary market anyway, what with LSU and A&M both having huge support in that market. Houston would help the Big 12 hold onto the Houston market and the Coogs have done really well on TV in Houston.

Likewise, TCU has pulled in great ratings for DFW. TCU's Fiesta Bowl had about 20% more DFW viewers (almost 900k in DFW alone) than Texas' Fiesta Bowl the year before, for example, even with pretty much every single Frog alum and fan at the Fiesta Bowl. The Big 12's TV partners have signed off on TCU as a suitable replacement for A&M (and BYU as well), so the TV folks don't worry about TCU not drawing enough viewers.

With every Big 12 school not named the University of Texas recruiting north Texas like crazy, giving them extra games in the region only helps them with recruiting.

TCU's recruiting is not the issue. TCU's fan base is not the issue. TCU's local support is not the issue. Texas trying to one up the other schools in the conference is the issue.

Baylor no longer is going to oppose TCU --- Baylor's win over TCU was its best attended game in a long, long time, and BU now realizes that it has nothing to lord over TCU and so it needs to become TCU's partner and rival, not its enemy.
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 03:20 AM

Actually I think UT is making perfect business sense. They want to monopolize the Texas market and that's savvy for them.
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 03:24 AM

I hope BIG12 adds West Virginia, Louisville, and Cincinnati and stop at 12 Although I can see how BYU might be attractive to them especially if BIG12 loses Missouri to the SEC

Hopefully the ACC adds UCONN and Rutgers

Anything that kills the BIGEAST helps the MWC.

If the BIGEAST dies and if the MWC can retain Air Force, Boise St, and TCU.....legally speaking it is in the best interest of the cartel to give the MWC the BE's former spot
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 04:22 AM

http://ncaabbs.com/s....php?tid=518063

Lousiville, USF, Cincy, & WVA in 2014...I left out Louisville in title of post.

As usual, this is overblown and pure speculation.

First, who the hell is Greg Swaim? That's the guy who wrote up the blog entry. His sole credit seems to be that he writes this blog.

Second, take a closer look at the blog entry:
Word from Dallas today is that schools like BYU, Louisville, West Virginia, USF and Cincinnati were talked about as future invitees, but no official offers have been made.

Schools like BYU, Louisville... etc. Schools like them? That's ridiculously vague.
And no offers have been made.

Oh... then there's this:
"There were concerns expressed by several Big 12 members about the BYU policies of no Sunday games and the older ages of players, due to LDS missions. However, those problems seem to have been put to rest, and if an official offer hasn’t been made yet, expect it to happen within a few days to a week."

Not convincing...

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 04:32 AM

Texas (the 800 lb. gorilla in the Big XII) "Gets what it wants!" Why do you think TCU hasn't been a serious candidate for Big XII expansion?

Oklahoma schools don't want TCU because they have a heavy DFW presence. Kansas schools don't TCU because they don't want the conference to be any more Texas-centric. The Big 12 schools might never agree on anything, but there seems to be a consensus on TCU up and down the conference.

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 04:34 AM

Actually Cincy makes more sense than BYU. Not because of the MormonTV thing. Rather, as one of the Mandel guys said (I get them confused), because of the no-Sunday restriction and because, again, to get to Provo everybody in the conference would have to fly over two or more states

Not sure why this always comes up. Big 12 basketball tournaments end on Saturday nights. And while there's CBS games during January and February, BYU simply wouldn't play in those and would be featured in the regular Big Monday, Wednesday and Saturday time slots on ESPN. Baseball games are an easy fix with each opponent.

#24 BXIISportsFan

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 04:44 AM

RJ, what bball schools would you like to see join the B12? Who wins the conference this year?

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 04:45 AM

I understand the desire to be in a BCS conference, but would TCU really want to be back in a conference with Texas?

I would put the chance of TCU in Big 12 with Texas as the same as SDSU going to the PAC XX as on Par with UNM winning the MW this year. I just don't see it happening.
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