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With all these new WAC/MWC bowls the fans in Boise and Fresno

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Any MWC expansion above ten would result in a net loss in bowl games for our league as the Wac wouldn't be able to fill their slots. If we added Utep, Boise, and Fresno the Wac would lose La. Tech as a result. If might have to fold up shop and the MWC would lose two bowl games as a result.

In addition, this should quiet the expansion hopefuls from Boise. If we were looking at a tenth team we could have added Boise and taken the Humanitarian. It's obvious expansion with Boise is NOT on the table right now.

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Any MWC expansion above ten would result in a net loss in bowl games for our league as the Wac wouldn't be able to fill their slots. If we added Utep, Boise, and Fresno the Wac would lose La. Tech as a result. If might have to fold up shop and the MWC would lose two bowl games as a result.

In addition, this should quiet the expansion hopefuls from Boise. If we were looking at a tenth team we could have added Boise and taken the Humanitarian. It's obvious expansion with Boise is NOT on the table right now.

Earth to Brokeback Mountain Cowboy junkie, the world does not revolve around the MWC.

It's funny how a Wyoming fan has his head up in the clouds. I thought that was only BYU fans.

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Earth to Brokeback Mountain Cowboy junkie, the world does not revolve around the MWC.

It's funny how a Wyoming fan has his head up in the clouds. I thought that was only BYU fans.

He has his head up, all right. Just not up in the clouds. Think anatomically.

CJ, not only are we not worried about it, the thought hadn't even crossed anybody's mind. And now that is has, I don't see the MWC's bowl opportunities going down. To the contrary, the additions of some actual quality schools to the MWC would enhance your bowl opportunities considerably.

Happy now?

Yoda out...

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After deleting some of my posts and closing the offending SteveAztec thread, a couple of elites have been able to open it long enough to respond to me anyway.  And since I can’t respond on a closed thread, here is my response…

Other than the initial inquiry, this has never been about letting Steve post again; I doubt that he even wants to post here.  My complaint is about his treatment on this board and the failure of admins to control attacks on him – and worse, to sometimes participate in those attacks.

Steve was first banned on the SDSU board.  When he was banned, it was a sufficiently controversial that they started what became an 8 page thread on the topic to justify the decision (https://aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/9747/steve-aztec-longer-member-board).  It is clear that Steve had support in the community and there was some criticism for the Board Administrators for having failed to “expel the dozens of people who've been taunting him.”  (And take a look at the thread that I bumped; initially it was supporters happy about Steve getting a radio show.  Then the haters arrived.)

I can’t say if Steve took it too far in response, but I will say that he denies most of various accusations and adds important missing context to others.  But I wasn’t a party to any of the events and can’t say who is in the right and who is in the wrong.  And I have to admit that if half of what has been said about him is true, depending on context, I might well have banned him too.  Or more likely I might have banned those who were taunting him.  (Steve had lost a brother-in-law to suicide and there have been a number of memes of people blowing their brains out, as well as posts blaming Steve or his sister for the suicide – and admins apparently let it go.)

I am in no position to evaluate the truth or falsity of the laundry list of claims made on this board about how Steve responded to all this.  My complaint, however, is about his treatment on this board.  I may be wrong, but his banning on this board at least appears to have been less about what he did on this board and more a carryover from the SDSU banning.  The same taunting continued – more suicide memes – apparently ignored by the admins. Utenation supposedly posted the first and it is explained away because he didn’t know about the suicide.  But was the post taken down?  Was an apology issued?   Indeed, for years, admins on this board have allowed Steve to be vilified based on little more than anecdotal hearsay.  This is a privately owned board, but it is not a private board – anyone can join.  And more than that, It’s not an anonymous board; people know who Steve.  You have a duty to protect your posters from libelous statements and unproven allegations -- especially when, having been banned themselves, they have no ability to defend themselves.

Even Retrofade (who says he’s not a mod but can post to closed threads) put up a “blowing his brains out” meme several years ago.  He knew that Steve lost his brother-in-law to suicide, and he now says that “Steve is a mentally disturbed individual”, which is libelous by the way, but excuses his meme as nothing more than being in “poor taste”.  Apparently it is okay with the board's current admins to taunt a "mentally disturbed person" because the post has never been taken down.  The poster has never been admonished.  And there has been no apology, unless you consider "he deserved it" to be an apology.

In my view, you owe Steve an apology for the treatment that you have tolerated and, in some cases, engaged in.  A former Aztec board went out of business when sued (not by Steve).  It won’t be the last one.  You need to fix this.  You need to administer your board and prevent libelous and incendiary attacks -- hearsay-- on posters. 

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The more bowl tie ins we have to the Wac in MWC home cities, the less likely we are to take anyone from the Wac. If we have two bowl games in our own footprint dependant upon Wac representation for their success, I doubt if the MWC is going to take a team from the Wac and possibly destroy our own bowl games in the process.

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This is why I ask about UC davis, sacramento st, montana and all the other candidates all the time. When we add Boise and Fresno the wac will need to add a team to stay at 8. And that is if La tech doesnt go the the sun belt. We need the WAC and we need Boise and Fresno also.

The wac will still have the Hawaii bowl and the albuquerque bowl and if the acc leaves the Boise bowl that would be a third spot. They will be fine.

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This is why I ask about UC davis, sacramento st, montana and all the other candidates all the time. When we add Boise and Fresno the wac will need to add a team to stay at 8. And that is if La tech doesnt go the the sun belt. We need the WAC and we need Boise and Fresno also.

The wac will still have the Hawaii bowl and the albuquerque bowl and if the acc leaves the Boise bowl that would be a third spot. They will be fine.

It makes expansion to twelve an impossibility. How would the Wac support the Humanitarian(which would become a MWC bowl), the New Mexico, the Rocky Mtn, and the Hawaii without Boise, Fresno, and La. Tech or Nevada?

I could still see us going to ten, but 12 is not going to happen.

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It makes expansion to twelve an impossibility. How would the Wac support the Humanitarian(which would become a MWC bowl), the New Mexico, the Rocky Mtn, and the Hawaii without Boise, Fresno, and La. Tech or Nevada?

I could still see us going to ten, but 12 is not going to happen.

I dont want us to go to 12 ever! you know our highly ranked team would lose that championship game every time. But back to filling bowls. Hawaill will fill theirs, nevada will be eligible, without Boise and Fresno adding to their loss volume I bet they could muster 4 teams with 6 wins.

LAME!!!!!

We dont need any more "who cares" bowls. Thompson should be going after existing, and better bowls.

So many 6-6 vs. 6-6 is stupid.

I bet he has never thoughht of that maybe we should write him an email to tell him to try and get better bowls.

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If BSU and FSU went to the MWC it doesn't mean the Humanitarian Bowl will follow. If BSU and Fresno are not in the WAC that means there are couple more wins for the WAC teams that are left. There are alot of good D1aa teams that would jump at the WAC if BSU and FSU left. With those two teams gone the other teams actually have a chance to be competitive and let say Montana or UCDAVIS (who has stated that their intentions are to become a full D1 team) could compete right away. Plus the there are other confrences like the SBC, MAC that need more bowl games.

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Actually, a league like this doesn't look half bad:

The WAC:

Nevada

Hawaii

San Jose State

Utah State

New Mexico State

Idaho

Montana

UC-Davis

Northern Arizona

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UC-Irvine

Texas at San Antonio

Denver

It would still provide all the markets of the old WAC, but without Boise and Fresno, would not be a threat to the MWC. The Confrence would play the role of the old Big West: A proverbial punching bag, every once in a while producing a team that is Top 25 worthy. The conference would still have teams in both Boise (Idaho) and Northern Cal (UC Davis). The WAC also keeps their biggest market, Hawaii. I think that this would be a dream situation for the MWC. They get a weak 1-A confrence to schedule while the MWC would be a clear #2 in most of the major western markets, only behind the PAC-10.

The MWC has several advantages over the WAC. The Universities in the MWC are older, bigger, draw a bit better, and have better academics. Plus, the MWC is situated in bigger markets than the WAC. So, why hasn't Boise and Fresno left for Greener Pastures? In the last few years, The WAC has been able to grab more attention in the public eye with Fresno and Boise's football program and Nevada basketball, than the MWC has. The WAC has played in two BCS games, and nearly went to a third in 2004. Plus, Nevada basketball went to both the elite eight and the sweet sixteen when Zeke played for them. However, will the WAC continue to be a premuim 1-A confrence in the future? I think only time will tell.

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Any MWC expansion above ten would result in a net loss in bowl games for our league as the Wac wouldn't be able to fill their slots. If we added Utep, Boise, and Fresno the Wac would lose La. Tech as a result. If might have to fold up shop and the MWC would lose two bowl games as a result.

In addition, this should quiet the expansion hopefuls from Boise. If we were looking at a tenth team we could have added Boise and taken the Humanitarian. It's obvious expansion with Boise is NOT on the table right now.

No, I see a net gain in bowl games, and probably with better tie-ins. I might be concerned about the MWCs ability to fill their bowl slots.

       

 

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I think the WAC has plenty of solid candidates, they are just not ready yet. UC Davis has SO MUCH potential, they are a pac ten level school. Montana could be very solid, and I think that Portland State and Sac State have some potential. A league like this wouldn't be too bad:

Hawaii

Idaho

Montana

Nevada

New Mexico State

San Jose State

UC Davis

Utah State

maybe Portland State and Sac State could be added later.

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