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Any opinions on why New Mexico isn't a football P5 school yet?

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Poor Jose.  He had no idea what that he was walking into a buzzsaw, vs a guy half his size:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f2Z-xwRDdA

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHNXCJ5wcAs

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I thought the Bikini Atoll in the Marshall Islands was part of Polynesia.

 

Yeah... those are Micronesians.  (see map above).

 

Ask the Hawaii fans to clarify.

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Hello UNM fans and UNM non-fans alike!  I'm looking for opinions on what is holding UNM back from the big time in athletics--mostly football.  It's very odd that a flag ship program that's been playing division 1 football for 120 years is not with our peers.  In fact, UNM is getting left in the dust as Arizona, Arizona St and Utah have moved on to their rightful places.   I was born in Iowa, moved to NM as a teenager with my parents, graduated from a NM high school and proudly went to UNM and got my Bachelors Degree.  I've lived here on and off  for over 20 years now....own homes, owned a bussiness, now have a lot of family out here and I think I want to stay here for good. I really like New Mexico.  There's one thing that baffles me though, why is a school with as much recsourses as UNM not in the PAC or Big 12?  UNM is more than a typical flagship school, it runs this state.  New Mexico is 2.1 million; which is bigger than Nebraska and not too far off states like Iowa and Kansas--who have two major universities in their states so I don't want to hear the population excuse.  Growing up in Iowa City and even Ames I'm not sure that Iowa or Iowa St had the condensed power statewide UNM does. (as much power and influence in their state)  Due to my military service and just plain curisoty I've lived in a ton of different places other than Iowa and New Mexico and I've always tried to live in college towns due to my incredible love for college sports.  (probably unhealthy love for college sports)  I've lived in the following college towns:  Iowa City, IA, Ames, IA, Albuquerque, NM, Tempe, AZ, Columbia, SC, Chapel Hill, NC, Norman, OK and Lubbock, TX.   Albuquerque may not be as cool as college town as any of those I listed but it's got a lot more clout state-wide than those schools in their respectivie states.  Go to any town in NM, and you'll see something owned by UNM.  Hospitals, health clinics, insurance companies, dental, counseling. law offices, academic branches etc.  There's really no competition unless you go down south to the border (NM St). UNM is not a poor school, and it gets a lot of research $$. UNM is rated as a very high research school and actually gets more money than some AAU schools.  It would seem that the flagship school dominating the state would have a major football program with 60,000 to 70,000 fans at the games playing against other similar flagship schools in bordering states? I just wonder why more people here don't support UNM athletics when that's the only game in town?  There are no pro sports here either. If the state of Iowa can have 2 major athletic programs with 3 million can't New Mexico have one major athletic program?  Nebraska has 1.8 million people and get over 80,000 fans to every football game.  Iowa gets 70,000.  Oh, and BTW, even a school with mostly losing records year after year gets 60,000 fans for its games.  Iowa freaking State.   Kansas with 2 major universities playing football at the highest level is only 2.7 million.  It can be done here but for some reason no one is saying anything or doing anything about this apathy!  I've written letters to Gov Martinez asking her what she's doing about getting UNM in a major conference....the responses are "that's not up to me".  Incredible.  I know of politicians in other states that have made a ton of noise when they felt like their schools were getting the shaft (Senators Hatch and McConnel)   In Iowa people wera the Hawkeyes on their sleeves, OKlahoma with the sooners or cowboys in some spots.  Same with Nebraska.  Same with Arkansas.  Same with Albama etc.  As a kid I remember fighting back tears when Iowa lost games.....It was personal to me.  I just don't understand why more New Mexicans don't fight for our football program.  Show up to the games and have some pride in our Lobos!  I've actually heard --many times-- locals say things like, "I'm a Duke fan"  I'm a Notre Dame fan, I've always been a Florida St fan."  I have to say it's incredible to me when I ask them if they went to those schools or are from those areas and they answer no.  In Oklahoma, you'll never meet a native born okie say he's a Michigan fan or a Nebraska fan.  I don't understand why NM sports fans actually root for out of state schools that they have no ties to at all or ever been to etc. I honestly never saw that any where else.  I just want to get my friends to go to football games here but they won't because, "the lobos suck"  Why doesn't it matter to more of you to show up to games and root them on and offer some encouragement to help them win??  Trust me, teams do better when fans are in the stands rooting them on.  I want to add that Lobo basketball is up there with the best in the country facilities wise and fan support.   The Pit is one of the niceset basketball venues in the country and the fans are some of the best most passisonet basketball fans I've been around.  I know we can do this!  Come on New Mexico, lets pack the stadium for every game the next couple seasons and see what happens!  We've got all the potential, we just have to go to the football games and cheer on our school!  Like it or not, the Lobos carry the flag for our state.  The other day I was voicing my concerns to a NM state gov employee.  After a few minutes of saying to him what I'm writing here he stopped me and said, "You're pro-New Mexico."  He seemed shocked that I would be!  I guess maybe that's the disconnect I'm having here, people automatically assume that I'm not pro-New Mexico.....Why wouldn't I be?  Anyone who wants to comment on this subject I'd be happy to hear from you about why the UNM football program doesn't inspire more passion among New Mexicans.  What makes this state different from others?  Why do people root for out of state programs? I feel like an outsider who came from a very different state in terms of attitudes towards the football team who doesn't understand what's going on.  Any Lobos want to inform me? Thanks!

We have had the opportunity on 25 occasions to commemorate that 26 July

1953--in prison, in exile, in the mountains or in the fatherland liberated

by the weapons which on that day once again took up the fight, the just,

inevitable and necessary struggle, in order to take a new and worthy path.

Our people's struggle for liberation did not begin on that day. That day

marked the renewal of the heroic march begun in 1868 by Cespedes and later

continued by that exceptional man, who was born exactly 100 years earlier,

the mastermind of Moncada, Jose Marti. [applause]

For millenia throughout the history of mankind some men have been masters

and others have been slaves, servants, laborers and peasants who, in the

final analysis, were oppressed in the most varied ways imposed upon

humanity by the selfishness of some, the impotence and weakness of others

and the objective process of the evolution of a society which evolved from

its most primitive stages to its current state--a society composed of

beings who also evolved from the most primitive state to the marvelous

physical and moral structure of man today.

Natural and social laws laid out a ruthless path and man walked along most

of this path without real awareness. What compared to former ages makes

today's humanity privileged is the fabulous possibility it holds today to

control nature and to chart its own path in the area of social development.

This is precisely what makes the economic, social and political systems

which still survive in many areas of the world such a great crime. This is

what provides its greatest moral and heroic meaning to the determination of

the peoples. This is what gives greatest meaning to the actions and

struggles of men to change their lives. This is what gives fullest meaning

to the idea of revolution.

We too had our masters. Our native ancestors also had their exterminators;

our African fathers had those who made them slaves; their descendants and

the descendants of the masters had their colonizers; the Cuban people--even

after Cuba become a nation--had their neocolonizers; our workers and

peasants had their exploiting capitalists and land-owners; our black

population and our women had those who discriminated against them; our

children had illiteracy, hunger and disease; our adults had ignorance and

unemployment our elderly had abandonment and oblivion. To fight against

these injustices we urged struggles. To fight against these systems we had

the uprisings and deaths of the Indians; the epic combats of the slaves;

the heroic struggles of the oppressed; 10 October; 24 February; 26 July.

[applause]

On the march along this long path, our generation has been privileged to

know victory and to reap its splendid fruits. That is why we can

commemorate the date of our rebellion in the freedom, independence and

justice about which so many generations of our ancestors dreamed. However,

the ideas of freedom, independence and justice were not the same in every

age. To the slave in his time it merely meant escaping from that shameful

social and legal condition; to the bourgeoisie it meant breaking the bonds

of colonialism; to the servant it meant obtaining a job and gaining full

title to the land and its fruits.

Let me correct myself. It is a printing error, not my error. [applause] I

really must correct myself. I was thinking more of Cuba, and when I said

that to the bourgeoisie it meant breaking the bonds of colonialism, it is

true, in Cuba. In Europe it was feudalism. That is why I will go back and

stick with colonialism. That is, if you will allow me to do so. [applause]

It was not a printing error.

However, to the worker the idea of freedom, independence and justice was

very different--the elimination all kinds of exploitation of man by man,

full and real equality for all human beings, fraternity and cooperation

among all the peoples of the world. Our revolution has witnessed this age

of internationalism and socialism--of the fullest and most complete meaning

of freedom and fraternity among men.

Were we perhaps more perfect revolutionaries than those who preceded us? It

was the time, the objective conditions of society and the world in which we

lived that made us Marxist-Leninists, internationalists socialists and

communists. [applause] During all ages, in all countries and at all times,

revolutionaries fought and devoted their best energies to the noble

principle of human progress, and today's revolutionaries cannot consider

themselves to be better than those of the past. What may make today's

revolutionary different is his greater knowledge of the laws which regulate

the development of human society, and this places in his hands an

extraordinary tool for struggle and for social change. Modern

revolutionaries owe to the theoreticians of scientific socialism--Marx,

Engels and Lenin--the vast treasure of their ideas. We can say with

complete conviction that without them our people would not have been able

to take such a colossal step in the history of its social and political

development.

But even with them we would not have been able to carry it out without the

fruitful seed and unbounded heroism that were planted in our people and

spirit by Marti, Maceo, Gomes, Agramonte, Cespedes and the other giants in

our fatherland's history. [applause]

This is how the true revolution was made in Cuba, starting from Cuba's

special characteristics, its own traditions of struggle and the consistent

application of universal principles. These principles exist and cannot be

ignored. Some conceited people in the world have wanted to nationalize and

chauvinize Marxism. There even have been some who thought that they were

better than Marx, Engels and Lenin, without taking the preciseness of their

research into consideration, which is characterized by the modesty of the

creators of our revolutionary doctrine. Men cannot erect monuments to

themselves for posterity; rather it is the people and objective facts which

designate a person's role in history. [applause]

It is not without reason that refuting human vanity, our wisest patriots

have taught us that all the glory of the world fits inside a grain of corn.

[applause] On a day like today, it is not necessary to recount deeds that

are well known or show the merits of an action in which many of us, present

and alive, were witnesses or participants. [applause]

First of all, let us tell our people and the youth of the world, who are

joyfully with us on this anniversary, that the triumph of an idea in any

country always is the result of the efforts of many generations and of all

of humanity. Following the armed combat, in this enclosure, inside the

walls of this fortress, dozens of youths such as those meeting in our

fatherland were atrociously tortured and later killed by those who were

defending the interests of the exploiting classes and imperialist

monopolies in a vain attempt to halt the course of history.

All iniquities were committed by the oppressor against the brave

revolutionary combatants with the anger and hatred of those who do not

tolerate or forgive people's disrespect--as in the days of Spartacus, the

Paris Commune, Vietnam or Chile. The reactionary forces have always

believed that their power is invincible and eternal.

They could not imagine that one day, in the first socialist country of he

Western Hemisphere, in Santiago de Cuba itself and inside the walls of that

military bastion, we would meet--as representatives of the best and most

progressive of the world's youth and as representatives of a people whose

sons took part in that battle to celebrate a victorious 25th anniversary

and the 11th World [Youth and Students] Festival. [applause] This shows

that no people's just desire is impossible, no reversal is insurmountable,

no sacrifice is worthless and no reactionary regime is eternal.

Why should we explain what oppression, underdevelopment, capitalism,

colonialism, neocolonialism, racism, fascism and imperialism are to the

youth of the world, since many of them have endured and are still enduring

torture? Our experience was no different. Our battle for liberty and

progress was no different from what this means in many parts of the world

today. Our struggle was the eternal struggle of all oppressed peoples. Our

enemies were and are the same enemies. Our victories are the common

victories of today and tomorrow, for all progressive humanity. [applause]

The fact is that Cuba after 25 years from that action which we commemorate

today, after a sustained, heroic and victorious struggle is successfully

building socialism close to the most ferocious and powerful empire on

earth. It is not a euphemism or an exaggeration to say that this is a

success for the world revolutionary movement and an encouraging lesson for

all peoples, even though the imperialists and their immodest traitors to

the cause of internationalism, who today have become lackeys and allies of

the oppressors of the world, try to ignore this. [applause]

All the hatred of the Yankee empire was focused on our people. An

implacable blockade, which has now lasted almost two decades, was imposed

on our fatherland. A foreign military base has been maintained in our

country with insolent contempt for national will and sovereignty.

Conspiracies, plots, sabotage and all types of aggression have taken place

over many years. Shady plans for physical elimination of leaders of the

revolution, which today are publicly acknowledged by the authors

themselves, were worked out and put into practice by the highest U.S.

authorities. There were no means, procedures, resources--no matter how

illicit or dirty--that were not used against our country. Disease and

plague, capable of eliminating useful plants and animals, were introduced

into our land by the imperialists.

An epic ideological struggle was also launched by the revolutionary

vanguard against those who long ago governed, ordered, decided and imposed

their way of thinking on the peoples of Latin America.

Why were the imperialists doing this? What were they defending? What did

they want to maintain in our land?

They wanted to maintain foreign control over our natural resources, our

wealth and the fruits of the sweat of our people. Those were corrupt and

bloodthirsty governments in the service of their interests. The peasants

had no land, the workers were exploited, the people were illiterate,

starving and hopeless. Children had no teachers or doctors. Adults had no

health services. Fathers had no jobs. Hundreds of thousands of mothers many

times had no other alternative than to turn to prostitution. There was

discrimination for reasons of race or sex. The elderly were abandoned.

There were gambling casinos, vice, corruption and bloody political

repression.

Let us compare our fatherland today with the other nations of Latin

America. There is no imperialist or capitalist domination, and today we are

the only people in this hemisphere without unemployment, without

illiteracy, without beggars, without prostitution, without gambling and

without racial discrimination. We have the highest level of health and

education, of culture and athletic prowess in all of the continent.

[applause] We are the sole owners of our economic wealth and natural

resources. We plan our development, and the economic, social and cultural

progress of our people is strictly in our own hands. Our problems are the

same objective problems of any underdeveloped country in the world. But it

is our prerogative to decide our future with austerity and humbleness--with

freedom and dignity. [applause]

How did we Cuban revolutionaries win this victory? With resolution, with

loyalty to principles, with strong ties to the masses, with absolute trust

in the justness of our cause, with the spirit of sacrifice and heroism and

the virtues of our people, with international solidarity, with the

cooperation of the progressive movement, with the socialist community, and

especially with the glorious Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

[prolonged applause]

We said "no" to yielding to adversity, "no" to problems, "no" to pessimism,

"no" to fear, "no" to surrender, "no" to opportunism, "no" to ideological

concessions, "no" to narrow nationalism and chauvinism, "no" to the abuse

of power, "no" to the violation of principles, "no" to corruption, "no" to

vanity, "no" to demagogy "no" to the ridiculous personality cult and no to

the infallibility of revolutionaries. We knew how to say "yes" to

solidarity among men, "yes" to Marxism-Leninsm, "yes" to anti-imperialism

[prolonged applause], "yes" to proletarian internationalism [applause],

"yes" to the need for a vanguard party [applause], "yes" to collective

leadership and to democratic revolutionary principles [applause], "yes" to

self-criticism and to recognizing and correcting mistakes [applause], "yes"

to humbleness, "yes" to complete and total dedication to the people, "yes"

to admiration and respect for those who with their past struggle made

today's fatherland possible, "yes" to eternal gratitude to those who have

given us their solidarity and who with their noble and disinterested

support helped us to overcome imperialist aggression. [applause]

The Cuba you see today is not even the ghost of what it was 20 years ago,

The casinos, beggars, the unemployed and the brothels were the first

impressions a visitor received. Today, these things do not exist. But let

us not think that all visitors necessarily liked the post revolutionary

change. During the days of the popular unity [in Chile], we were visited by

the flagship of the Chilean Navy. Many cadets, with a bourgeois and

capitalist mentality, were displeased because they did not find brothels in

Havana, as they had found in all the other capitals of Latin America, in

the United States and in Western Europe. Before the revolution, there were

brothels in Cuba, and alongside the brothels there was the scaffold, as is

true of Chile today. [applause] That neocolonialist, capitalist and

underdeveloped life imposed on the nation was maintained by sheer force and

was the work of imperialist domination over our land. They did not train

doctors or teachers. However, they did train their henchmen in the art of

torture, execution and assassination of those who were dissatisfied and who

were revolutionaries --as happens today in Nicaragua, Chile, Uruguay,

Paraguay and other unfortunate countries of America and the world--with

much more refined techniques provided by the Pentagon and the CIA.

They taught how to persecute a communist, how a union was divided and how a

trained leader was imposed, how and what should be written in a newspaper,

what films we should see, what radio programs we should listen to, what

books we should read.

They decided where and how much to invest. For some reason, they were the

absolute owners of our finances, our best lands and the country's natural

resources. They outlined our policy and our destiny. What is even worse,

because of its long-lasting effects and greater difficulty in eradicating

it, they imposed on our poor and underdeveloped people the habits and

customs of consumers of the developed capitalist world, a development

brought about through the most unmerciful exploitation of its own people

and the rest of the colonized or neocolonized world and through the most

brutal unequal trade with the economically backward countries.

Bourgeois society creates its bourgeois tastes and its bourgeois scenery in

cites and rural areas which cannot be those of the societies of workers.

Alongside the millionaires' palaces are the poor neighborhoods. Alongside

the modern superhighways for fast and flashy automobiles are the muddy

roads walked by the poor peasants.

The bourgeois countries offer statistics about their per capita income but

they do not say one word about the huge difference between what a

millionaire consumes and what a worker, an unemployed person or a beggar

consumes. In our cities you will not see flashy or excessive neon signs of

publicity propaganda because we do not seek to instill in our citizens, by

means of conditioned reflex, what soft drinks they should consume or what

cigarettes to smoke as is done in the societies which ridiculously call

themselves free. Instead, you will see how in many remote places of our

rural areas, electric light bulbs are turned on in the classrooms of

thousands of our rural schools, in our polyclinics and in the houses of our

peasants. In our newspapers you will not see advertisements or social notes

on weddings, parties and recreational activities of the wealthy which were

never of interest to the worker, the real and only creator of the social

wealth. Our radio and television programs are never constantly interrupted

by commercial ads because our mass media is at the service of information,

education and culture and not social vanity or vulgar mercantile interests.

Sometimes there might not be enough paint for our greatest buildings, but

teachers or books will never be lacking schools or doctors and medicines in

our hospitals for all the children and citizens of the country. [applause]

Also, you will not see our cities filled with modern and loud automobiles

that consume large amounts of fuel because we promote and develop

collective transport and regard individual vehicles as simple work

instruments, used by technicians, doctors, professors and other workers of

our society to provide social services. Many times we have asked ourselves

what would happen to the world and its natural and energy resources if in

Asia--including China and India--Africa and Latin America, each family had

an automobile in accordance with the fictitious and absurd ideal created by

the developed capitalist societies? Someone in ancient times said: Man does

not live by bread alone. Today we can state: Not only by automobiles and

for automobiles does man live. [applause]

 

What was irrationally produced by the exploitation of the world and

capitalism can never be a model for mankind that in the next 25 years will

already have 7 billion inhabitants. We feel that energy and other essential

resources must be devoted, first of all, to the feeding, housing, health,

education, culture and other essential necessities for the well-being of a

man having another concept of life, society and the fruits of human work.

To this we have devoted our modest resources amid the unmerciful and brutal

economic blockade that a powerful and wealthy country like the United

States has imposed on our heroic fatherland. Despite this, no one can

ignore Cuba's advances. This shows how much can be done even while being

poor if there is the justice of socialism. [applause]

In our fatherland, you will see each citizen with a book under his arm

because we all want to study. We all want to learn. We all want to

correctly interpret the world in which we live.

We do not tell anyone: Believe. We tell everyone to think, study, decide.

[applause]

The imperialists ridiculously try to depict our country as a regime of

force. In reality there is force but the force is not in arms, laws or

state institutions. It is in the people, [applause] in the masses, in the

revolutionary beliefs and in the political culture of each citizen. The

force is not based on lies or demagogy but on sincerity, truth and

conscience. The arms are held by the people and with them they defend the

revolution without torture, crimes, death squads, missing persons,

illegalities or arbitrary actions as occur daily in the countries forced by

imperialism to maintain reactionary regimes or injustice and oppression.

This has begun to be recognized today by even our most bitter enemies. This

is due to the seeds of revolutionary principles and ethics that we sowed at

Moncada and which bore fruit in the liberation war and subsequent

development of the revolution. Above the mountains of imperialist slanders,

the historic reality stands firm and invincible.

Our country is ready to continue its march. We are already drafting our

second 5-year plan. Serious studies are being made regarding our outlook

for economic, social and cultural development up to the year 2000. In a

relatively short time we will have a 20-year plan. Each province, city,

municipality will know, with the maximum accuracy possible, what its future

will be and what tasks it will be assigned in the country's development.

If one wishes to get an idea of the future it is sufficient to say that

this year alone 18,000 citizens have received their teachers and professors

certificates. [applause]

For those who believe that we are becoming a country of soldiers it is only

necessary to point out that the number of persons graduated as teachers and

professors is 20 times higher than the number of armed forces officers

graduated this year [applause] although for every Cuban being a soldier or

officer is a very high honor because arm's in the fatherland and even

outside the fatherland are at the service of the noblest causes of the

revolution and internationalism. [applause]

In the final analysis we are all soldiers of the revolution. However,

knowing how to teach is even more difficult than knowing how to die. Our

men struggled and died more than once for this right because men must know

how to die so that humanity can survive. [applause]

We are resolutely advancing toward becoming a country with high culture.

Our path in this field has no limits. We will live from what our

technology, our natural resources and our sweat are capable of creating,

but we will not be selfish like the snail locked up in its own shell, and

we will offer the world everything that is within the reach of our

revolutionary and internationalist generosity. [applause]

What is our own life without you? What is Cuba without the rest of the

world? If our dreams of yesterday are today's realities our dreams of today

will be the realities of tomorrow. It will be the same for all the peoples

of the world if we are capable of dreaming together for a better future.

[applause]

Since realities cannot be forgotten it is necessary to say that today's

humanity faces dramatic problems. First of all, there is the vital matter

of overcoming the risks of nuclear war. In other times men solved their

political conflicts with stone axe, spears and arrows, their swords, their

cannons and even their planes, their battleships and their tanks. However,

no other era of human history has possessed arms so destructive and deadly

as those which exist today.

What yesterday was a game of irresponsible ambitions in which the

privileged classes could indulge in defense of their interests and their

goals of dividing up the world or destroying the advance of progressive

ideas, as happened in the last generalized war, today, with modern and

sophisticated means of mass destruction, becomes universal suicide and the

crime of wounded humanity [less humanidad]. It is still to be determined

whether man can survive the diabolical arms which he has been capable of

devising.

If we examine the elemental realities, we see that the overall political

and social progress of humanity is below its capacity for destruction and

extermination. It is not the revolutionary and progressive forces which

have created this dramatic and dangerous situation. The watchwords of peace

and coexistence among all nations of the world were launched at the very

dawn of the first socialist state by Vladimir Ilich Lenin. [applause]

Socialism, whose fundamental objective in the economic field is the

development of the productive forces and the equitable distribution of the

fruits of work, has no need for war, for dividing up the world or for arms

production. Planned development of the economy and the essential

requirements of man in no way demand the investment of infinite human and

material resources in the sterile arms race. It was not the first socialist

state which declared war against the countries of different social systems.

It was the imperialist powers which decided, with intervention and

blockade, to eliminate the first worker and peasant state and, at the sane

time, smash the revolutionary movement everywhere in the world.

This policy gave birth to fascism and World War II. The crusade against the

Soviet Union by Hitler's Germany, which armed itself with the cooperation

of the other imperialist powers, cost the first socialist state the lives

of 20 million of its best children. A high price was also paid by the

peoples of the imperialist countries for the harebrained anticommunist and

profascist adventures of its rulers. Who can deny these historic truths?

Who can hide the fact that the capitalist countries were fundamentally

responsible for the outbreak of that war? Who can forget that it was

precisely socialism which made world domination by fascism impossible? What

country other than the United States, in a virtual substitution of Hitler's

Germany, became the crusader of anticommunism and counterrevolution in the

world? What other country can truly threaten world peace? Who practices a

power policy? Who has filled the world with military bases? Who promotes

the arms race? Who needs the military industry to face the domestic

economic problems and satisfy the interests of its powerful monopolies?

Those who reproach the socialist countries for their defense programs

forget the lesson of fascism. They forget the historic reality that it is

imperialism which has imposed on our countries, with its aggressions,

blockades and threats, the necessity to invest large resources in military

expenses which are completely alien to the requirements and objectives of

the socialist system. [applause]

By principle, we Marxist-Leninists know that social changes cannot be

imposed from abroad, the same way that they cannot be averted when peoples

decide to make them through any means. The socialist peoples do not seek to

export revolution. Nobody exported socialism to the Soviet Union, the same

way that nobody exported it to Cuba. Ever since socialism was born only the

imperialist countries have tried to export their system: capitalism,

reaction, counterrevolution, fascism.

What interest cam humanity have in the arms race? Why spend for arms what

people need for food, housing, health, education, recreation? Hundreds of

thousands of millions of dollars are invested every year for military

purposes.

Mountains of arms for extermination are piled up every year before the

amazed eyes of a world plagued by mountains of problems of

underdevelopment, hunger, excessive population growth, unemployment,

diseases, illiteracy, a growing scarcity of foodstuffs and natural

resources and environmental pollution.

Obviously, there is only one final solution for this tragedy: That mankind

overcome its capitalist and imperialist phase, that social justice and

cooperation be developed universally. However, in each country this is a

task for its own people.

Mankind must be preserved for a better future. A pessimistic position on

the need for and the possibility of peace is inadmissible and absolutely

irresponsible, like that of some who argue that war is inevitable and even

instigate it thinking that perhaps they will be the only survivors.

The peoples have the duty of struggling for peace and, at the same time,

for social changes. Will we perhaps allow ourselves to be intimidated with

threats? No, because we are optimistic and because we know, as Marx taught

us, that the oppressed have nothing to lose but their chains. [applause]

The U.S. Government now raises the watchword of human rights. We, the

Marxist-Leninists, have made man, his material and spiritual well-being,

his economic, social and political rights the raison d'etre of our lives.

We who struggle for the elimination of every form of exploitation of man by

man will always be, of course, in favor of real and true human rights. We

will even be glad if Carter's preachings succeed some way in influencing

some of his close allies like Hicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti,

Chile, Paraguay Uruguay, Argentina, Brazil, Zaire, South Africa, Saudi

Arabia, Iran, South Korea and the like into stopping their genocidal

practices and their habit of torturing, causing the disappearance of and

assassinating fighters for democracy and progress. [applause]

With this, the capitalist, neocolonized, proimperialistic regimes and that

of the United States itself would be a little less inhuman. However, it

still remains to be proved whether a bourgeois, imperialistic and

warmongering regime can promise real human rights to anyone in the world

within and outside its borders because such a system exists only to serve

using all of its resources and means domestically and abroad--the rights

and interests of big capital. With what moral right can the rulers of a

nation speak of human rights when within it the millionaire and the beggar

coexist, the Indian in exterminated, the black man is discriminated

against, women are prostituted and large masses of Chicano, Puerto Ricans

and Latin Americans are scorned, exploited and humiliated? How can this be

done by the rulers of a nation where the Mafia, gambling and child

prostitution predominate, where the CIA organizes subversion and universal

espionage plans and where the Pentagon creates neutron bombs capable of

preserving material assets while exterminating human beings, in an empire

that supports reaction and counterrevolution throughout the world, that

protects and encourages the exploitation by monopolies of the wealth and

human resources on all continents, unequal trade, a protectionist policy,

an incredible squandering of natural resources and a system of hunger for

the world? How can this be done by the representatives of a capitalist and

imperialist society whose essence is the exploitation of man by man and,

with it, egotism, individualism and total absence of human solidarity? How

can such watchwords be written by those who train and send military

supplies to the most reactionary, corrupt and bloody governments in tie

world such as those of Somoza, Pinochet Stroessner, the Uruguayan gorillas,

Mobutu and the shah of Iran, to mention only a few cases?

How can there be talk of such rights by those who maintain close relations

with the South African racists who oppress, discriminate against and

exploit 20 million Africans, by those who supply the Zionist aggressors

with large quantities of sophisticated weapons with which they dislodged

the Palestinian people from their lands and who refuse to return to the

Arab countries [applause--Castro repeats himself] and they refuse to return

to the Arab countries the territories they have taken by force.

 

How can the leaders of a nation speak of human rights when their

intelligence agencies organized attempts against leaders of other nations

and their armies dropped explosives in Vietnam many times the equivalent of

the nuclear bombs dropped over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing millions of

Vietnamese, without even having the dignity of apologizing for the one and

indemnifying the other? How can the leaders of such a nation speak of human

rights when they have traditionally intervened in the nations of Latin

America, subjugating the peoples of this continent to their exploitation,

and who are responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of children

each year through illness and hunger? In fact, how can the imperialist

government that maintains a military base by force on our territory and

subjects our people to a criminal economic blockade speak of human rights?

It would be excellent if President Carter, in practicing what he preaches,

would order the release of Lolita Lebron [applause] and the other Puerto

Rican patriots who already have served over 25 years of unjust

imprisonment; of the Wilmington 10, arbitrarily jailed; and an amnesty for

the thousands of U.S. Negroes who were driven to crime as a result of

discrimination, unemployment and hunger. [applause]

Each U.S. ruler fabricates his own rhetorical phrase for Latin America and

for the world. One spoke of the good neighbor, another of the Alliance for

Progress. Now the watchword is human rights. Nothing has changed in their

policy toward the hemisphere and the world. It all remains the same, with

the diplomacy of guns and the dollar and the law of the strongest

prevailing, The phrases are as short-lived as the administrations. The only

thing that prevails in Yankee policy is its lies. [applause]

We are saying that imperialism supports fascism in Latin America, apartheid

in Africa, neocolonialism on all continents. The imperialism policy,

however, is much more subtle, as it promotes division among socialist

nations, encourages nationalist currents and chauvinism and looks for

allies within the progressive movement. Once firmly opposed to nationalism

as an expression of the spirit of independence of the peoples against the

colonial system, and still opposing it in its struggle against imperialism

and in defense of the legitimate rights of every nation, imperialism still

hopes that the exasperation of that sentiment--in other words

chauvinism--will clash with the principles of socialism and

internationalism. They believe that in Asia, Africa and Latin America that

current will always be stronger than the revolutionary or internationalist

spirit.

They view everything else on the basis of their technologies as

industrialized nations, on the monopoly of international credit

institutions, and on the still abundant monetary resources of the

capitalist Western world. The gold amassed through centuries of exploiting

their own workers and the colonized, neocolonized and underdeveloped

peoples is now enhanced by the multimillionaire group of states such as

Saudi Arabia and Iran, which partly derive their fabulous profits from

economically poorer nations. With such resources they plan to sweep away

the progressive movement of the so-called third world.

It is true that the effects of the world economic crisis are strongly felt

in nations with progressive governments, with few resources, heavily in

debt and heartlessly subjected to the burden of financial problems.

Rightwing forces score electoral victories in some countries as a result of

economic difficulties while the reaction, in the meantime, resorts to

fascism to confront the same difficulties by means of the most brutal

repression.

The International Monetary Fund and other credit organizations--traditional

instruments of U.S. policy--impose onerous conditions, weaken the popular

foundations of governments not to their liking and undermine their

political stability. Such circumstances are favorable to pressures and

submissions which lead to temporary victories by the reactionary forces in

some nations of the world.

We would not be honest if we denied that the progressive and revolutionary

movement itself is facing serious difficulties. The repugnant betrayal of

the cause of inter-nationalism perpetrated by the Chinese leaders, their

insane behavior and their shameless alliance with the imperialism powers

have constituted a harsh blow against the world's progressive forces

Vietnam, Angola and Cuba, small countries which won solid and recognized

prestige in the world because of the herioc pages they wrote and are still

writing in their resolute, firm and unflinching struggle against

imperialism, are now suffering from the brutal attacks, [applause]

hostility and the slander of the treacherous Chinese leadership.

In the case of our own fatherland, after almost 20 years of U.S. aggression

and harrassment failed to force it to its knees, we now see the incredible

and infamous fact that the current Chinese leadership justifies the

economic blockade of Cuba and the presence of a Yankee naval base on our

territory.

There is no longer any difference whatsoever between the imperialist and

Chinese news agencies with regard to their gross and scheming language, in

the perfidious and despicable arguments they use to attack Cuba.

Soviet aid, which was so decisive for the consolidation and survival of the

Cuban revolution during its most critical years when the imperialists

snatched the sugar markets away from us and stopped our supply of food,

medicines, fuel, spare parts and essential raw materials, is being vilely

slandered. After receiving such decisive support we Cubans will never

forget that the arms with which we defended ourselves in Giron against the

imperialist aggressors were supplied by the Soviets [applause]

If the United States did not commit genocide against Cuba by means of a

direct aggression, it was due to a large extent to the Solidarity and

support of the USSR. History cannot be so coarsely denied. The human

language has more noble objectives than that.

Cuba's internationalist policies, the unbounded generosity of our country

whose children fought in Angola against the South African racists to

prevent them from stealing from the Angolans the independence they won

after 15 years of herioc struggle and our solidarity in the battle of the

Ethiopian revolution against foreign aggression promoted by the United

States, the NATO powers and Arab reaction are characterized by the Chinese

leaders with the same, and even worse, vile and rude terms that the

spokesmen of imperialism use, although the latter use more subtle and less

wildly false terms.

Internationalism is the most precious essence of Marxism-Leninism and of

its ideals of solidarity and fraternity among the people. The Cuban

revolution would not even exist without internationalism. In being

internationalists we are paying our debt to mankind. [applause]

Although we do not like to talk about the irreproachable way the Cuban

revolution has complied with its internationalist obligations, it is

necessary to recall that our military cooperation with Angola and Ethiopia

was nothing new.

In Cuban soldiers went to the sister republic of Algeria in 1963 to support

it against a foreign aggression carried out a few months after its herioc

struggle for independence and victory to snatch a portion of its territory.

Cuban soldiers went to Syria in 1973 when that country, as a result of the

latest war against the Zionist aggressors, requested our aid. Cuban

fighters struggled and died to help in the liberation of Guinea-Bissau and

Angola against Portuguese colonialism. It is no secret that our worthy

comrades died during the guerrilla struggle in Sierra Maestra in Bolivia

alongside Che. [applause]

This internationalist tradition of the Cuban revolutionaries began even

before the triumph of the revolution when more than 1,000 volunteers many

of them communist fighters--went to Spain to fight fascism. [applause]

International solidarity and the spirit of sacrifice and struggle of the

communists has profound and beautiful roots in the world revolutionary

movement since the glorious days of the Paris Commune.

The Yankee imperialists practice their solidarity with reaction, the

bourgeoisie and fascism. There are hundreds of thousands of U.S. military

specialists and soldiers in Western Europe, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iran,

South Korea, Japan, the FRG and dozens of other countries. Why may the

imperialists cooperate among themselves while the revolutionaries may not?

[applause]

Our military specialists now in Africa and in other areas have been

requested by absolutely sovereign governments. The United States, on the

contrary, deploys tens of thousands of soldiers in Panama against the will

of its people. The United States has thousands of Marines stationed on a

portion of Cuba's own national territory against the will of our

fatherland. What right does the United States have to demand the withdrawal

of our military personnel from Africa, where they now are at the expressed

desire of progressive, absolutely independent revolutionary governments?

How can those who support these demands of imperialism be described in

political and moral terms? Anything can be expected from a country where a

ridiculous mortal has been converted into a god, where they destroyed the

party and its best cadres during the days of the mad adventure of the

Cultural Revolution and allowed themselves to be dragged by the petty

bourgeois spirit and big-power chauvinism into betraying internationalism

and converting a socialist state into a satrapy of nepotism where the wives

and sons-in-law of the rulers became members of the Politburo.

Anything can be expected. Why should it surprise us that the Chinese

Government today supports the bloody and fascist Pinochet regime and the

repressive military governments in Latin America? Why should we be

surprised that it cooperates with Mobutu or with the NATO interventionist

forces? Why should we be surprised that it joins South Africa in the the

fight against Angola? Or that it joins Egypt in its traitorous separate

peace policy? Or that it joins the reactionary forces of Britain and the

(?FRG)? Or that it joins NATO in Europe, or Yankee imperialism everywhere,

or that it grossly and dangerously wagers on the inevitability of a third

world war?

But of all the crimes committed by the Chinese leadership, the most

objectionable is its hostility toward Vietnam. Everyone knows that behind

Cambodia's extremism stands Maoism and the Chinese leadership clique.

Everyone knows that behind the provocations against Vietnam stand the

Chinese. Everyone knows that behind the artificially created so-called

problem of the (?Hoa) stand the Chinese. A complete chauvinistic campaign

is now being waged in China against the Vietnamese and all Chinese

economic cooperation with Vietnam has been suspended.

It is in this criminal and unscrupulous manner that the Vietnamese effort

to rebuild the country, cruelly devastasted by the imperialist war, is

being sabotaged.

The attitudes of the Chinese Government remind us of the Yankee arrogance

against Cuba. During the first years of the revolution, the imperialists

also tried to bring ships, without our authorization, to transport U.S.

citizens. They promoted the immigration of thousands and thousands of

Cubans, particularly professionals, specialists and skilled workers. They

launched a massive slander campaign against Cuba and adopted severe

economic blockade measures.

Vietnam, the fatherland of the most modest and unassuming Marxist-Leninist

of our time, the unforgettable and beloved Ho Chi Minh, [applause] Vietnam,

this thousand times heroic people whose patriotic and revolutionary deeds

astounded the world, is today also a victim of Chinese aggression and

betrayal. Some days ago, international cables announced violations of the

Vietnamese borders by Chinese military aircraft. If their criminal hand is

not halted in time, we shall see military provocations and serious Chinese

aggressions against heroic Vietnam. This is why we must offer the

Vietnamese people our most energetic solidarity and support. [long rhythmic

applause]

Our party intends to reorganize the Committees of Solidarity With Vietnam

against the threats of imperialist aggression. Although it may sound

absurd, this time the aggression is being organized by the imperialist' new

ally in the field of counterrevolution.

The disregard for people, norms and principles must have a limit. It must

halt somewhere. It must finally find a resistance in the world. Not even

Albania, a small socialist country which, during the first days of the

division of the revolutionary movement, supported China follows it today.

China also withdrew its economic cooperation from Albania.

The Chinese people, this fighting, hard-working, unselfish, heroic and

revolutionary people, will settle accounts sooner or later with the

traitors who have placed their beautiful internationalist flags at the feet

of imperialism. [applause]

There are two paths open in the world today--reaction and progress. One

must choose: one cannot be neutral. Lately, because of shadows which have

fallen on the revolutionary movement, because of opportunism and

unprincipled politics, the trend of conciliation with imperialism has

gathered some strength.

Opportunism, economic problems, chauvinism, demagogy and political

cowardice lead to hesitations in many basic problems.

One cannot be neutral in the Arab peoples struggle for the recovery of the

occupied territories and the recognition of the Palestine people's rights,

[applause] between the African peoples and their neocolonizers, between

Angola and its invaders, between the rights of the Saharan people and the

occupiers of their territory, [applause] between the Ethiopian revolution

and the Somali aggressor, [applause] between the Yeioeni revolution and

Arab reaction, [applause] between the progressive Arab countries and the

reactionary Arab countries, [applause] between Vietnam and those who

threaten and harass it, [applause] between the South Africa, [applause]

between the Patriotic Front of Zimbabwe and Ian Smith, [applause] between

Mozambique and the Rhodesian and South African fascists, [applause] between

Namibia and its colonizers, [applause] between the Cypriot people and the

foreign occupiers, [applause] between the progressive and rightist forces

of Lebanon, [applause] between Allende and Pinochet. [lengthy applause]

 

One cannot be neutral in the face of issues such as Panama's sovereignty

over the canal, [applause] the right of the peoples of Belize and Puerto

Rico to independence, [applause] the blockade of Cuba and the Yankee naval

base at Guantanamo. [lengthy applause, shouts of "out" and indistinct

slogan]

One cannot be neutral in the face of imperialism, colonialism,

neocolonialism, racism and fascism, and in none of the many situations of

political, economic and social struggle between the reactionary forces and

the progressive forces of the world. [applause]

Our revolution has been characterized by the rejection of all forms of

political opportunism. That militant, clear, firm and determined policy of

Cuba, alongside the just cause of peoples and its increasing authority and

prestige in the international sphere worries some people, particularly

Yankee imperialism, which vainly tried to isolate and destroy our

revolution.

According to reports from the United States, this government has contacted

15 nonalined countries to question Cuba's role in this movement. But the

nonalined movement is not the OAS, [applause] a ministry of colonies where

imperialism acts at will as masters of this hemisphere. But it would be

interesting to know what 15 foreign ministries the United States has spoken

to and what their reply has been.

Since when has the United States the right to be the mentor and guide of

the nonalined countries? What shameless governments could participate in

this maneuver? We have always advocated that the nonalined movement--in

whose foundation Cuba participated along with Nasir, Nehru, Nkrumah and

other leaders, many of whom unfortunately have died--be characterized by

its quality and not its numbers.

We have always been opposed and shall continue to oppose having countries

belonging to imperialist blocs participate in this movement. [applause] We

have always opposed and will continue to oppose the introduction of fascist

and reactionary governments, mere pawns of imperialism, as Trojan horses

within this organization. [applause]

We have always believed and will continue to believe that the nonalined

movement should not be an amorphous, opportunist, traitorous movement, but

that it should be an anti-imperialist, anticolonialist and progressive

force able to positively influence world policy. This was the spirit which

prevailed in its creation and it cannot be conceived in any other manner.

[applause]

Cuba is a nonalined country because it does not belong to any military

bloc. It is opposed to reaction, imperialism, colonialism, neocolonialism,

fascism, racism, Zionism, unfair terms of trade and exploitation of

underdeveloped countries. [applause]

Cuba positively supports liberation movements, just causes and progressive

forces all over the world. These are the essential goals for which the

nonalined movement was created. [applause]

Why does the United States worry so much now about the sixth summit

conference in Havana? Why does it try to sabotage it? Who are playing the

game in this maneuver? What goals do they seek within our movement? It is

because the United States, the traitors, opportunists, neocolonialized, the

[word indistinct], those who traffick in principles are worried about the

firm, militant, honest and uncorruptible role of Cuba. [applause]

If some governments are for sale, Cuba cannot be bribed. [applause] The

United States knows it. We will not make any concessions. We will not

betray our internationalist principles. He will never bow to imperialist

pressures and blackmail. [applause]

 

We do not follow chauvinist interests. We do not make deals with our

international policy. We are ready to resist the imperialist blockade for

however many years it may last. If others yield, if others are bribed, if

others betray, Cuba shall stand as an example of a revolution which does

not surrender, sell out or fall to its knees. [long applause]

Struggle does not intimidate us. Since we started on the road of the

revolution our spirit has never been discouraged. No true communist has

ever feared difficulties. Our fatherland was forged with the steel of

indomitable revolutionaries. In our minds flow and in our hearts beat the

purest ideals of Marx, Engels and Lenin. [applause]

In our veins flows the blood of the heroes of 68, 95 and 53, [applause] of

De Cespedez, Marti, Maceo, Abel Santanaria, Frank Pais, Camilo and Che.

[applause] They are the heroes of Yara, Baire, Moncada, Gramma, the Sierra,

Giron, the October crisis, the internationalist heroes of Antifascist

Spain, of Angola anti Ethiopia. [applause]

When our people are asked for volunteers for internationalist missions, not

only thousands or tens of thousands, but hundreds of thousands of fighters

demand the honor of being chosen. [applause]

The same attitude is displayed by Cuban doctors, professors, engineers,

technicians and workers whenever they are asked to contribute toward

cooperation with Africa and other parts of the world. This reflects the

spirit of our people. This shows our political culture, the complete

victory of revolutionary ideas, the solidary communist blood that runs

through the veins of the men and women of our fatherland. [applause]

The world revolutionary movement has made great progress in this century.

Forces grow, our ranks swell, experience becomes enriched. The treachery,

haughtiness, weakness and blindness of those who have been incapable of

following the luminous path of the revolution, out of vanity, deification,

petit bourgeois stupidity, chauvinism or opportunism will never stop

humanity's victorious march. [applause] Because in this era in which we are

living humanity as a whole has no alternatives but war or peace. This and

civilized and peaceful coexistence among different social systems shall

prevail as the wisest and only solution as long as [en tanto] each people,

without interference of any kind, choose their own social and economic

destiny, which can be none other than progress, a just and solidary world

where man--as Marx and Engels said--will stop being man's wolf. [applause]

The forces of socialism and peace are too powerful today for imperialism to

be able to impose its policy of hegemony and retrogression on the world.

And these forces, including among them our very dear Lenin's glorious

fatherland, constitute the most solid and invincible deterrent to the

greed, adventures and outrages of reaction in the current era. These forces

keep Asia, Africa and Latin America and their natural resources from again

being divided among and colonized by the imperialists.

Humanity will not return to the past. Peace will be preserved. The peoples

will march on paths of progress with nothing or no one being able to stop

them. Moncada is an example. The Cuban revolution is a stimulating

substantiation of this truth. The 11th youth and student festival for

peace, anti-imperialist solidarity and friendship, [applause] which we are

celebrating for the first time in the Western Hemisphere with optimism,

with great hopes for tomorrow's world, with the absolute conviction that

the future wholly belongs to progress, freedom, justice and brotherhood

among men and peoples, is irrefutable proof of this. Fatherland or death.

We shall overcome. [applause]

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They can recruit all they want.... it won't work. Polynesians are all about relationships, and being close to family. BYU's, Utah's, and now USU's roster are loaded.

Polynesians also tend to play in places where other Polynesians are: Utah, California, Texas (high school near Texas Christian), Arizona, Washington.

I think you are confused about bomb test sites. TONGA, HAWAII, and SAMOA were never bombed.

And isn't the religion growing strongly in Polynesia? That must help as well.

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I personally like the state of New Mexico.  Unfortunately, they do not have the population/backing to EVER get into the B12 much less the P12.  As long UNM considers New Mexico State their "Rival" in any sport...they will continue to be put in the category of a "cute little school that plays who has the bigger peepee with their brother"....

 

As a Wyoming alumni and fan...at least we have a school that is aspiring to be part of the P5 as a rival (even though they, for the most part, are delusional)....

 

Land Grant Universities carry no weight in CFB....period/exclamation point

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I had no idea new Mexicans were so uppity????!!! Until I started participating on this board..

Do you guys wear tuxedos while dining out at fast food Mexican joints?

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Hello UNM fans and UNM non-fans alike! I'm looking for opinions on what is holding UNM back from the big time in athletics--mostly football. It's very odd that a flag ship program that's been playing division 1 football for 120 years is not with our peers. In fact, UNM is getting left in the dust as Arizona, Arizona St and Utah have moved on to their rightful places. I was born in Iowa, moved to NM as a teenager with my parents, graduated from a NM high school and proudly went to UNM and got my Bachelors Degree. I've lived here on and off for over 20 years now....own homes, owned a bussiness, now have a lot of family out here and I think I want to stay here for good. I really like New Mexico. There's one thing that baffles me though, why is a school with as much recsourses as UNM not in the PAC or Big 12? UNM is more than a typical flagship school, it runs this state. New Mexico is 2.1 million; which is bigger than Nebraska and not too far off states like Iowa and Kansas--who have two major universities in their states so I don't want to hear the population excuse. Growing up in Iowa City and even Ames I'm not sure that Iowa or Iowa St had the condensed power statewide UNM does. (as much power and influence in their state) Due to my military service and just plain curisoty I've lived in a ton of different places other than Iowa and New Mexico and I've always tried to live in college towns due to my incredible love for college sports. (probably unhealthy love for college sports) I've lived in the following college towns: Iowa City, IA, Ames, IA, Albuquerque, NM, Tempe, AZ, Columbia, SC, Chapel Hill, NC, Norman, OK and Lubbock, TX. Albuquerque may not be as cool as college town as any of those I listed but it's got a lot more clout state-wide than those schools in their respectivie states. Go to any town in NM, and you'll see something owned by UNM. Hospitals, health clinics, insurance companies, dental, counseling. law offices, academic branches etc. There's really no competition unless you go down south to the border (NM St). UNM is not a poor school, and it gets a lot of research $$. UNM is rated as a very high research school and actually gets more money than some AAU schools. It would seem that the flagship school dominating the state would have a major football program with 60,000 to 70,000 fans at the games playing against other similar flagship schools in bordering states? I just wonder why more people here don't support UNM athletics when that's the only game in town? There are no pro sports here either. If the state of Iowa can have 2 major athletic programs with 3 million can't New Mexico have one major athletic program? Nebraska has 1.8 million people and get over 80,000 fans to every football game. Iowa gets 70,000. Oh, and BTW, even a school with mostly losing records year after year gets 60,000 fans for its games. Iowa freaking State. Kansas with 2 major universities playing football at the highest level is only 2.7 million. It can be done here but for some reason no one is saying anything or doing anything about this apathy! I've written letters to Gov Martinez asking her what she's doing about getting UNM in a major conference....the responses are "that's not up to me". Incredible. I know of politicians in other states that have made a ton of noise when they felt like their schools were getting the shaft (Senators Hatch and McConnel) In Iowa people wera the Hawkeyes on their sleeves, OKlahoma with the sooners or cowboys in some spots. Same with Nebraska. Same with Arkansas. Same with Albama etc. As a kid I remember fighting back tears when Iowa lost games.....It was personal to me. I just don't understand why more New Mexicans don't fight for our football program. Show up to the games and have some pride in our Lobos! I've actually heard --many times-- locals say things like, "I'm a Duke fan" I'm a Notre Dame fan, I've always been a Florida St fan." I have to say it's incredible to me when I ask them if they went to those schools or are from those areas and they answer no. In Oklahoma, you'll never meet a native born okie say he's a Michigan fan or a Nebraska fan. I don't understand why NM sports fans actually root for out of state schools that they have no ties to at all or ever been to etc. I honestly never saw that any where else. I just want to get my friends to go to football games here but they won't because, "the lobos suck" Why doesn't it matter to more of you to show up to games and root them on and offer some encouragement to help them win?? Trust me, teams do better when fans are in the stands rooting them on. I want to add that Lobo basketball is up there with the best in the country facilities wise and fan support. The Pit is one of the niceset basketball venues in the country and the fans are some of the best most passisonet basketball fans I've been around. I know we can do this! Come on New Mexico, lets pack the stadium for every game the next couple seasons and see what happens! We've got all the potential, we just have to go to the football games and cheer on our school! Like it or not, the Lobos carry the flag for our state. The other day I was voicing my concerns to a NM state gov employee. After a few minutes of saying to him what I'm writing here he stopped me and said, "You're pro-New Mexico." He seemed shocked that I would be! I guess maybe that's the disconnect I'm having here, people automatically assume that I'm not pro-New Mexico.....Why wouldn't I be? Anyone who wants to comment on this subject I'd be happy to hear from you about why the UNM football program doesn't inspire more passion among New Mexicans. What makes this state different from others? Why do people root for out of state programs? I feel like an outsider who came from a very different state in terms of attitudes towards the football team who doesn't understand what's going on. Any Lobos want to inform me? Thanks!

I'm not gonna lie. A big part of it is that you suck at football. Bad.

Really, really, really bad.

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Personal Opinion:

 

The P5 Conference with the best regional fit was and is the Big 12.  All the political power was and is in Texas.  Heck UTEP, Houston, Rice, SMU and TCU were all ignored / kicked to the curb.  TCU made it in only because the Big 12 was collapsing and they were in the right place at the right time with the right emphasis and the right attitude to get in.

Utah made changes that committed themselves not only academically but to their football program at the time Football was becoming the powerhouse and Basketball was losing steam.  They were in a good geographical location & tv market and Colorado wanted out of the Big 12 and even though Colorado hasn't been that great in Football in the past 10+ years, they were a P5 University with the academic qualifier the Pac 10 now 12 wanted in a good tv market.

 

And BYU is located in Provo, Utah and not in New Mexico.  So what might work now in having 2 Universities that play decent Basketball, with one that is more recognized in Football, that are right next door to Texas won't work unless you can convince BYU to move to somewhere in New Mexico, as I believe was mentioned on a local morning radio show a few weeks back.  And thereby give the Big 12 something to consider that may get them to overlook the whole BYU Sunday play stuff and other BYU baggage that has a travel partner that would make at least Kansas happy.

 

As mentioned by others, New Mexico didn't change their emphasis to lean more towards Football than Basketball like Utah did.

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Hello UNM fans and UNM non-fans alike!  I'm looking for opinions on what is holding UNM back from the big time in athletics--mostly football.  It's very odd that a flag ship program that's been playing division 1 football for 120 years is not with our peers.  In fact, UNM is getting left in the dust as Arizona, Arizona St and Utah have moved on to their rightful places.   I was born in Iowa, moved to NM as a teenager with my parents, graduated from a NM high school and proudly went to UNM and got my Bachelors Degree.  I've lived here on and off  for over 20 years now....own homes, owned a bussiness, now have a lot of family out here and I think I want to stay here for good. I really like New Mexico.  There's one thing that baffles me though, why is a school with as much recsourses as UNM not in the PAC or Big 12?  UNM is more than a typical flagship school, it runs this state.  New Mexico is 2.1 million; which is bigger than Nebraska and not too far off states like Iowa and Kansas--who have two major universities in their states so I don't want to hear the population excuse.  Growing up in Iowa City and even Ames I'm not sure that Iowa or Iowa St had the condensed power statewide UNM does. (as much power and influence in their state)  Due to my military service and just plain curisoty I've lived in a ton of different places other than Iowa and New Mexico and I've always tried to live in college towns due to my incredible love for college sports.  (probably unhealthy love for college sports)  I've lived in the following college towns:  Iowa City, IA, Ames, IA, Albuquerque, NM, Tempe, AZ, Columbia, SC, Chapel Hill, NC, Norman, OK and Lubbock, TX.   Albuquerque may not be as cool as college town as any of those I listed but it's got a lot more clout state-wide than those schools in their respectivie states.  Go to any town in NM, and you'll see something owned by UNM.  Hospitals, health clinics, insurance companies, dental, counseling. law offices, academic branches etc.  There's really no competition unless you go down south to the border (NM St). UNM is not a poor school, and it gets a lot of research $$. UNM is rated as a very high research school and actually gets more money than some AAU schools.  It would seem that the flagship school dominating the state would have a major football program with 60,000 to 70,000 fans at the games playing against other similar flagship schools in bordering states? I just wonder why more people here don't support UNM athletics when that's the only game in town?  There are no pro sports here either. If the state of Iowa can have 2 major athletic programs with 3 million can't New Mexico have one major athletic program?  Nebraska has 1.8 million people and get over 80,000 fans to every football game.  Iowa gets 70,000.  Oh, and BTW, even a school with mostly losing records year after year gets 60,000 fans for its games.  Iowa freaking State.   Kansas with 2 major universities playing football at the highest level is only 2.7 million.  It can be done here but for some reason no one is saying anything or doing anything about this apathy!  I've written letters to Gov Martinez asking her what she's doing about getting UNM in a major conference....the responses are "that's not up to me".  Incredible.  I know of politicians in other states that have made a ton of noise when they felt like their schools were getting the shaft (Senators Hatch and McConnel)   In Iowa people wera the Hawkeyes on their sleeves, OKlahoma with the sooners or cowboys in some spots.  Same with Nebraska.  Same with Arkansas.  Same with Albama etc.  As a kid I remember fighting back tears when Iowa lost games.....It was personal to me.  I just don't understand why more New Mexicans don't fight for our football program.  Show up to the games and have some pride in our Lobos!  I've actually heard --many times-- locals say things like, "I'm a Duke fan"  I'm a Notre Dame fan, I've always been a Florida St fan."  I have to say it's incredible to me when I ask them if they went to those schools or are from those areas and they answer no.  In Oklahoma, you'll never meet a native born okie say he's a Michigan fan or a Nebraska fan.  I don't understand why NM sports fans actually root for out of state schools that they have no ties to at all or ever been to etc. I honestly never saw that any where else.  I just want to get my friends to go to football games here but they won't because, "the lobos suck"  Why doesn't it matter to more of you to show up to games and root them on and offer some encouragement to help them win??  Trust me, teams do better when fans are in the stands rooting them on.  I want to add that Lobo basketball is up there with the best in the country facilities wise and fan support.   The Pit is one of the niceset basketball venues in the country and the fans are some of the best most passisonet basketball fans I've been around.  I know we can do this!  Come on New Mexico, lets pack the stadium for every game the next couple seasons and see what happens!  We've got all the potential, we just have to go to the football games and cheer on our school!  Like it or not, the Lobos carry the flag for our state.  The other day I was voicing my concerns to a NM state gov employee.  After a few minutes of saying to him what I'm writing here he stopped me and said, "You're pro-New Mexico."  He seemed shocked that I would be!  I guess maybe that's the disconnect I'm having here, people automatically assume that I'm not pro-New Mexico.....Why wouldn't I be?  Anyone who wants to comment on this subject I'd be happy to hear from you about why the UNM football program doesn't inspire more passion among New Mexicans.  What makes this state different from others?  Why do people root for out of state programs? I feel like an outsider who came from a very different state in terms of attitudes towards the football team who doesn't understand what's going on.  Any Lobos want to inform me? Thanks!

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I just got home and I'm slightly buzzed from a great night attending the Interpol concert at the Cosmo. Man, i don't even know where to start answering that question without offending the "certain schools" and their fans. 

 

Maybe I'll answer it tomorrow and throw in a meme to boot. 

 

Good night. 

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So why will New Mexico never recruit Polynesians? I would think the Polynesians would be much more at home in New Mexico. It looks way more like an atomic bomb test site than Utah does.

Obviously you have never been to New Mexico. That has to rank as one of the all time dumbass comments.

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In addition to what others have mentioned, I'd add that the Metropolitan Albuquerque Area produces on average 2 or 3 D1 caliber football players per year and a blue-chip prospect every 5 years or so. Compare that to the metropolitan areas of Socal, Ohio, Texas, and Florida. Even if you had the stadium, fan support and financial backing of a guy like T. Boone Pickens, UNM still lacks the local recruiting base that many of the P5 schools have in their own backyards. 

 

Lack of money (local income), lack of state population and lack of local talent = the trifecta of suck, with occasional bouts of mediocrity.

PTR, I agree but let me point out that Iowa's football roster has never consisted of more than 25% Iowans.  The rest are from Illinois and Ohio which is 3 states away.  NM does border texas and in the 90's Texas Tech used to offer at least 3 scholarships to Eastern New Mexico players with an additional 2 or 3 more walk ons.  There's a little more talent in NM than 3 scholarship worthy players....maybe 10.--at most.  I know that's pathetic but if we could "steal" a bunch of 2 star and a few 3 star recruits from texas every year it might be worth something; they can't all play for Texas, A&M, TCU and Tech.....Urlacher, Hank Baskett and Dontrell Moore are all from that part of NM BTW.  During the WAC  days when Dennis Franchonie was coach ,he recruited almost entirely out of Texas and it worked.

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Polynesians coming to Burque? Must be the Palm trees and beaches!!!!!

 

Honestly the reason football is what it is

 

Pt. I Not a lot of football recruits homegrown. Things have gotten better but for decades no home grown football players and the ones that are really good ended up at bigger schools...

 

Pt. 2- No support from UNM and Lobo fans

I love my state and I will battle for Lobo football until I die, unfortunately, I'm one of a very few in this state. All are caught by the perceived success of Lobo hoops (I say perceived because only in Albuquerque and Northern New Mexico are the Lobos considered a great program) We were one of the last programs in the country to scrap Iron Man football... The facilities up until like 5 years ago were sub standard and the results in recruiting and play on the field showed...

 

On the few years we did have some success the program was raided or squashed by bigger schools, the UNM administration lack of support, and fan apathy...

 

It is a totally vicious circle...

 

Even now in 14 years of trying to build tradition at UNM, our group The Red Menace has come under so much fire from "other fans" that it crushes spirit... Unfortunately for those fools I'm to crazy to be defeated, I will continue to fight and battle for Lobo football as it is

 

THE ONLY HOPE for UNM to ever be invited into a "Resource-5" conference and actually do something on the national stage.

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