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After deleting some of my posts and closing the offending SteveAztec thread, a couple of elites have been able to open it long enough to respond to me anyway.  And since I can’t respond on a closed thread, here is my response…

Other than the initial inquiry, this has never been about letting Steve post again; I doubt that he even wants to post here.  My complaint is about his treatment on this board and the failure of admins to control attacks on him – and worse, to sometimes participate in those attacks.

Steve was first banned on the SDSU board.  When he was banned, it was a sufficiently controversial that they started what became an 8 page thread on the topic to justify the decision (https://aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/9747/steve-aztec-longer-member-board).  It is clear that Steve had support in the community and there was some criticism for the Board Administrators for having failed to “expel the dozens of people who've been taunting him.”  (And take a look at the thread that I bumped; initially it was supporters happy about Steve getting a radio show.  Then the haters arrived.)

I can’t say if Steve took it too far in response, but I will say that he denies most of various accusations and adds important missing context to others.  But I wasn’t a party to any of the events and can’t say who is in the right and who is in the wrong.  And I have to admit that if half of what has been said about him is true, depending on context, I might well have banned him too.  Or more likely I might have banned those who were taunting him.  (Steve had lost a brother-in-law to suicide and there have been a number of memes of people blowing their brains out, as well as posts blaming Steve or his sister for the suicide – and admins apparently let it go.)

I am in no position to evaluate the truth or falsity of the laundry list of claims made on this board about how Steve responded to all this.  My complaint, however, is about his treatment on this board.  I may be wrong, but his banning on this board at least appears to have been less about what he did on this board and more a carryover from the SDSU banning.  The same taunting continued – more suicide memes – apparently ignored by the admins. Utenation supposedly posted the first and it is explained away because he didn’t know about the suicide.  But was the post taken down?  Was an apology issued?   Indeed, for years, admins on this board have allowed Steve to be vilified based on little more than anecdotal hearsay.  This is a privately owned board, but it is not a private board – anyone can join.  And more than that, It’s not an anonymous board; people know who Steve.  You have a duty to protect your posters from libelous statements and unproven allegations -- especially when, having been banned themselves, they have no ability to defend themselves.

Even Retrofade (who says he’s not a mod but can post to closed threads) put up a “blowing his brains out” meme several years ago.  He knew that Steve lost his brother-in-law to suicide, and he now says that “Steve is a mentally disturbed individual”, which is libelous by the way, but excuses his meme as nothing more than being in “poor taste”.  Apparently it is okay with the board's current admins to taunt a "mentally disturbed person" because the post has never been taken down.  The poster has never been admonished.  And there has been no apology, unless you consider "he deserved it" to be an apology.

In my view, you owe Steve an apology for the treatment that you have tolerated and, in some cases, engaged in.  A former Aztec board went out of business when sued (not by Steve).  It won’t be the last one.  You need to fix this.  You need to administer your board and prevent libelous and incendiary attacks -- hearsay-- on posters. 

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With that kind of a schedule if they run the table they will get a BCS bowl. Even if they suffer one loss they may get in. And they will be ready for any Big 6 school.

Utah, BYU and TCU have a bunch of people coming back too so they will have a chance for a BCS bowl also.

I'll get more "excited" about this when Fresno St can actually run a WAC schedule let alone a brutal OOC schedule.

Like I said Yoda, I'll put a little wager on Fresno NOT making a BCS bowl next season whenever you're ready. We've heard it all before from Fresno St and they choke it away in epic proportions every time. Next year will be no different. Fresno should prove it can win the weak WAC before making such proclamations.

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Sounds like the same droning we hear every season from the Fresneck............

Not one time have they even come close to completing the deal, I see several losses during that schedule, starting with UCLA.

In some ways Fresneck reminds me of the Ewets, always spouting off about how superior they supposedly are, and never able to back it up on the field, always finding a way to choke away a good season. :lol::lol: :lol:

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Fresno St-

All-WAC players Lost:

Marcus Riley LB- 1st Team All-WAC, also WAC D POY in 2007

Ryan Wendell OL- 1st Team All-WAC, 47 starts

Tyler Clutts DE- 1st Team All-WAC, 38 starts, 2nd Team All-WAC in 2006

All-WAC players returning:

Bear Pascoe TE- 1st Team All-WAC

AJ Jefferson, Special Teams- 2nd Team All-WAC

A couple points;

1) I don't know who the WAC teams starters are... (Boise St and Utah St, I follow fairly close so I do know theirs)

2) Fresno St I've been told return most of their starters, but the ones lost were pretty big ones...

--Ryan Wendell, most experienced OL and best

--Tyler Clutts, most experienced DL and best, plus Charles Tolbert (DT) may be Fresno St 2nd most experienced DL

--Marcus Riley, had break out year and with more less injury free on his way to become WAC POY, needless to say he was Fresno St best LB

--Damon Jenkins, a very solid CB, who provided good leadership back there

At RB Ryan Mathews (Fr) was best at rushing- 145-866 yards, 14 TD's, but Clifton Smith totaled more yards FLS with 100-625 yards, 5 TD's rushing and 33-352 yards receiving for a total of 977 yards FLS. Clifton looked really good against Boise St in 2007.

Know doubt Fresno St will be good in the WAC next year with the majority of the starters being Jr's in 2008, but IMO Fresno St main goal should be winning the WAC not a BC$ Bowl...

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Fresno does return a lot of talent. IMO, BYU and Fresno have the best chances, then the next tier would be Boise, TCU, Utah, and, Central Florida.

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I am not sure who wisconsin returns on defense but they only lose their QB and they are a predominant running team and well Fresno will have their handsful. I would be surprised if they pull that win out or even a close game.

Fresno will have their best shot next year the WAC will take another nose dive with BSU looking like they may struggle and Hawaii likely to tank, the rest still stink. they may actually be able to win all those games. But UCLA at UCLA and Kansas State might not be the walk in the park they were this year, they played significantly better at the beginning of the season then they did at the end. I think fresno will drop 2 OOC games and will be lucky to see any press for awhile unless another NCAA violation comes to light.

Sorry close calls against D-1AA teams, unless you are returning a lot of unknown players that will make a huge difference I don't see it. I think te MWC have the two best chances with BYU and Utah, and possibly TCU as the third, though Fresno is the only WAC hopeful.

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Fresno does return a lot of talent. IMO, BYU and Fresno have the best chances, then the next tier would be Boise, TCU, Utah, and, Central Florida.

sorry with a suspect rush defense the loss of your two best secondary players, A overhaul needed on your O-line who even with all the talent and experience played worst this year then last (meaning I think your O-line coach is not nearly as good as the guy he replaced) A new QB and the possibility of losing your #1 WR. BSU isn't on any tier until they prove otherwise at this point, the loss of an entire O-line is huge and puts forth a huge ?. I would agree with UCF except CUSA is just so bad they would have to run the table and with their OOc they'll be lucky to go 1-2 Miami, Texas, and Wisconsin.

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Fresno does return a lot of talent. IMO, BYU and Fresno have the best chances, then the next tier would be Boise, TCU, Utah, and, Central Florida.

Fresno St-

All-WAC players Lost:

Marcus Riley LB- 1st Team All-WAC, also WAC D POY in 2007

Ryan Wendell OL- 1st Team All-WAC, 47 starts

Tyler Clutts DE- 1st Team All-WAC, 38 starts, 2nd Team All-WAC in 2006

All-WAC players returning:

Bear Pascoe TE- 1st Team All-WAC

AJ Jefferson, Special Teams- 2nd Team All-WAC

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BYU-

All-MWC players Lost:

Bryan Kehl SLB- 1st Team All-MWC

Kelly Poppinga MLB- 2nd Team All-MWC

Quinn Gooch FS- MWC Honorable Mention (lost for the season in the 9th game)

All-MWC players returning:

Max Hall QB- 1st Team All-MWC (Sophomore)

Dennis Pitta TE- 1st Team All-MWC (Sophomore)

Ray Feinga OG- 1st Team All-MWC

Dallas Reynolds OT- 1st Team All-MWC

Jan Jorgensen DE- 1st Team All-MWC (Sophomore)

Harvey Unga RB- 2nd Team All-MWC (Freshman)

Austin Collie WR- 2nd Team All-MWC (Sophomore)

Returning starters:

On O-

Max Hall QB

Harvey Unga RB

Manase Tonga FB

Dennis Pitta TE

Austin Collie WR

Michael Reed WR

Dallas Reynolds OT

Ray Feinga OG

##Tom Sorensen C

Travis Bright OG

David Oswald OT

On D-

Jan Jorgensen DE

*Brett Denney DE

**Russell Tialavea NT

David Nixon WLB

*Shawn Doman BLB

*Matt Bauman MLB

**David Tafuna KAT

*Kellen Fowler FS

## Started at Vanderbilt as True Freshman 2003, unanimous All-SEC Freshman-Team and 2nd Team Freshman All-American

* Part-time starter in 2007

** Injured in 2007, but started in 2006 (David Tafuna started 2 games in 2005 also)

or

Utah-

All-MWC players Lost:

Martail Burnett DE- 1st Team All-MWC

Steve Tate FS- 1st Team All-MWC

Gabe Long DT- 2nd Team All-MWC

Derrek Richards PR/KR- 2nd Team All-MWC, WR- MWC Honorable Mention

All-MWC players returning:

Louie Sakoda P- 1st Team All-MWC, K- 2nd Team All-MWC

Darrell Mack RB- 2nd Team All-MWC

Zane Beadles OT- 2nd Team All-MWC

Robert Conley OG- 2nd Team All-MWC

Brice McCain CB- 2nd Team All-MWC

Paul Kruger DE- MWC Honorable Mention

Stevenson Sylvester LB- MWC Honorable Mention

Robert Johnson S- MWC Honorable Mention

Returning starters:

On O-

Brian Johnson QB

Darrell Mack RB

Brent Casteel WR (season ending injury in 2007), Marquis Wilson WR

*Bradon Godfrey WR

Zane Beadles OT

Caleb Schlauderaff OG, Corey Seiuli OG

Robert Conley OG

Dustin Hensel OT

On D-

Koa Misi DT

*Kenape Eliapo NT

Paul Kruger DE, Greg Newman DE

Stevenson Sylvester WLB

Sean Smith CB, RJ Stanford CB, Joe Dale CB

Brice McCain CB

Robert Johnson SS, Joe Dale SS

* Part-time starter in 2007

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Jeez Bill....at least put "off topic" in your friggin' post title.

It is never off topic when you can give NorCalCoug and the usual cast of MWC characters the chance to trash Fresno. It's almost like a Christmas gift -- "Hey, guess what? Fresno hasn't won confernce in awhile".

Beyond that, however, there seems to be some sentiment on this board that BYU has the clearest non-AQ conference shot at a BCS bowl so it is not off topic to point out that the local press for another (non-MWC) school is thinking the same thing.

Yoda out...

____________________________________________...

After deleting some of my posts and closing the offending SteveAztec thread, a couple of elites have been able to open it long enough to respond to me anyway.  And since I can’t respond on a closed thread, here is my response…

Other than the initial inquiry, this has never been about letting Steve post again; I doubt that he even wants to post here.  My complaint is about his treatment on this board and the failure of admins to control attacks on him – and worse, to sometimes participate in those attacks.

Steve was first banned on the SDSU board.  When he was banned, it was a sufficiently controversial that they started what became an 8 page thread on the topic to justify the decision (https://aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/9747/steve-aztec-longer-member-board).  It is clear that Steve had support in the community and there was some criticism for the Board Administrators for having failed to “expel the dozens of people who've been taunting him.”  (And take a look at the thread that I bumped; initially it was supporters happy about Steve getting a radio show.  Then the haters arrived.)

I can’t say if Steve took it too far in response, but I will say that he denies most of various accusations and adds important missing context to others.  But I wasn’t a party to any of the events and can’t say who is in the right and who is in the wrong.  And I have to admit that if half of what has been said about him is true, depending on context, I might well have banned him too.  Or more likely I might have banned those who were taunting him.  (Steve had lost a brother-in-law to suicide and there have been a number of memes of people blowing their brains out, as well as posts blaming Steve or his sister for the suicide – and admins apparently let it go.)

I am in no position to evaluate the truth or falsity of the laundry list of claims made on this board about how Steve responded to all this.  My complaint, however, is about his treatment on this board.  I may be wrong, but his banning on this board at least appears to have been less about what he did on this board and more a carryover from the SDSU banning.  The same taunting continued – more suicide memes – apparently ignored by the admins. Utenation supposedly posted the first and it is explained away because he didn’t know about the suicide.  But was the post taken down?  Was an apology issued?   Indeed, for years, admins on this board have allowed Steve to be vilified based on little more than anecdotal hearsay.  This is a privately owned board, but it is not a private board – anyone can join.  And more than that, It’s not an anonymous board; people know who Steve.  You have a duty to protect your posters from libelous statements and unproven allegations -- especially when, having been banned themselves, they have no ability to defend themselves.

Even Retrofade (who says he’s not a mod but can post to closed threads) put up a “blowing his brains out” meme several years ago.  He knew that Steve lost his brother-in-law to suicide, and he now says that “Steve is a mentally disturbed individual”, which is libelous by the way, but excuses his meme as nothing more than being in “poor taste”.  Apparently it is okay with the board's current admins to taunt a "mentally disturbed person" because the post has never been taken down.  The poster has never been admonished.  And there has been no apology, unless you consider "he deserved it" to be an apology.

In my view, you owe Steve an apology for the treatment that you have tolerated and, in some cases, engaged in.  A former Aztec board went out of business when sued (not by Steve).  It won’t be the last one.  You need to fix this.  You need to administer your board and prevent libelous and incendiary attacks -- hearsay-- on posters. 

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Sounds like the same droning we hear every season from the Fresneck............

Not one time have they even come close to completing the deal, I see several losses during that schedule, starting with UCLA.

In some ways Fresneck reminds me of the Ewets, always spouting off about how superior they supposedly are, and never able to back it up on the field, always finding a way to choke away a good season. :lol::lol::lol:

Utah's last Undefeated year 2004.

BYU's last Undefeated year 1984.

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I am not sure who wisconsin returns on defense but they only lose their QB and they are a predominant running team and well Fresno will have their handsful. I would be surprised if they pull that win out or even a close game.

Fresno will have their best shot next year the WAC will take another nose dive with BSU looking like they may struggle and Hawaii likely to tank, the rest still stink. they may actually be able to win all those games. But UCLA at UCLA and Kansas State might not be the walk in the park they were this year, they played significantly better at the beginning of the season then they did at the end. I think fresno will drop 2 OOC games and will be lucky to see any press for awhile unless another NCAA violation comes to light.

Sorry close calls against D-1AA teams, unless you are returning a lot of unknown players that will make a huge difference I don't see it. I think te MWC have the two best chances with BYU and Utah, and possibly TCU as the third, though Fresno is the only WAC hopeful.

Another NCAA violation? When have we had any NCAA violations? Not since Hill came on board last millenium anyway.

We're UCLA's first game with a new system and there will be as many Fresno fans in the Rose Bowl as Bruin fans. I like our chances.

Wisconsin is at home; I like our chances there too.

K-State is on the road but we handled them at home this season with half the team out injured. With the people that we get back (from injury) we should have a decent shot. Interestingly, both schools are going after the same JC transfer DE.

Also, one of the reasons that we don't have as many all conference returners as some might is because we were using second and third string talent at many positions due to injuries. Most of those guys will be back.

It is always a crap shoot when you're dealing with kids. Sometimes they overachieve and sometimes they underachieve and sometimes they do both in the same game. About all you can do is position yourself so that if they play well, you've got a solid chance. That is where we are beginning 2008. We will see what happens the rest of the year.

To us. To BYU. To Utah. To TCU, etc...

Yoda out...

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After deleting some of my posts and closing the offending SteveAztec thread, a couple of elites have been able to open it long enough to respond to me anyway.  And since I can’t respond on a closed thread, here is my response…

Other than the initial inquiry, this has never been about letting Steve post again; I doubt that he even wants to post here.  My complaint is about his treatment on this board and the failure of admins to control attacks on him – and worse, to sometimes participate in those attacks.

Steve was first banned on the SDSU board.  When he was banned, it was a sufficiently controversial that they started what became an 8 page thread on the topic to justify the decision (https://aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/9747/steve-aztec-longer-member-board).  It is clear that Steve had support in the community and there was some criticism for the Board Administrators for having failed to “expel the dozens of people who've been taunting him.”  (And take a look at the thread that I bumped; initially it was supporters happy about Steve getting a radio show.  Then the haters arrived.)

I can’t say if Steve took it too far in response, but I will say that he denies most of various accusations and adds important missing context to others.  But I wasn’t a party to any of the events and can’t say who is in the right and who is in the wrong.  And I have to admit that if half of what has been said about him is true, depending on context, I might well have banned him too.  Or more likely I might have banned those who were taunting him.  (Steve had lost a brother-in-law to suicide and there have been a number of memes of people blowing their brains out, as well as posts blaming Steve or his sister for the suicide – and admins apparently let it go.)

I am in no position to evaluate the truth or falsity of the laundry list of claims made on this board about how Steve responded to all this.  My complaint, however, is about his treatment on this board.  I may be wrong, but his banning on this board at least appears to have been less about what he did on this board and more a carryover from the SDSU banning.  The same taunting continued – more suicide memes – apparently ignored by the admins. Utenation supposedly posted the first and it is explained away because he didn’t know about the suicide.  But was the post taken down?  Was an apology issued?   Indeed, for years, admins on this board have allowed Steve to be vilified based on little more than anecdotal hearsay.  This is a privately owned board, but it is not a private board – anyone can join.  And more than that, It’s not an anonymous board; people know who Steve.  You have a duty to protect your posters from libelous statements and unproven allegations -- especially when, having been banned themselves, they have no ability to defend themselves.

Even Retrofade (who says he’s not a mod but can post to closed threads) put up a “blowing his brains out” meme several years ago.  He knew that Steve lost his brother-in-law to suicide, and he now says that “Steve is a mentally disturbed individual”, which is libelous by the way, but excuses his meme as nothing more than being in “poor taste”.  Apparently it is okay with the board's current admins to taunt a "mentally disturbed person" because the post has never been taken down.  The poster has never been admonished.  And there has been no apology, unless you consider "he deserved it" to be an apology.

In my view, you owe Steve an apology for the treatment that you have tolerated and, in some cases, engaged in.  A former Aztec board went out of business when sued (not by Steve).  It won’t be the last one.  You need to fix this.  You need to administer your board and prevent libelous and incendiary attacks -- hearsay-- on posters. 

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It is never off topic when you can give NorCalCoug and the usual cast of MWC characters the chance to trash Fresno. It's almost like a Christmas gift -- "Hey, guess what? Fresno hasn't won confernce in awhile".

Beyond that, however, there seems to be some sentiment on this board that BYU has the clearest non-AQ conference shot at a BCS bowl so it is not off topic to point out that the local press for another (non-MWC) school is thinking the same thing.

Yoda out...

Are you going to take me up on a friendly wager or not? It's $$$ in the bank if your so confident.

And as for the "trash Fresno" talk, they are and have been my #1 choice for expansion IF the MWC decides to (despite my anti-expansion take) so that comment doesn't hold much water. Tell me where I was incorrect in my comments or spare the BS. Is it "trash talk" or is it "reality"? I choose to opine the latter. Sorry if that hurt your delicate feelings.

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