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interesting article on how A&M joining the SEC has affected Big XII recruiting

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http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2014/12/18/7414859/sec-bowl-pool-system-texas-recruiting

 

Of the top 30 players in the state of Texas, according to the 247Sports Composite rankings, 11 of them are committed to SEC schools, including nine pledged to the Aggies. The Big 12, meanwhile, has six, with none of the top 15 players pledged to its member institutions.

 

 

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You never can really read too much into these recruiting articles.  In a couple of the last few graduating classes, the number one recruit in Texas wasn't even drafted in the NFL draft.  Plus, Texas supposedly had these super classes eight years in a row.  They only had one good team with all of those players available.

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clearly recruiting isn't an exact science, but those numbers would have me concerned if I'm in the Big XII.  And A&M was very average this year, if they have 3-4 good years that shifts it even more.

It might concern the schools that haven't been able to develop players.  Luckily I am a fan of the team that has multiple top 10 teams in the last decade without ever having a top recruiting class.

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It might concern the schools that haven't been able to develop players.  Luckily I am a fan of the team that has multiple top 10 teams in the last decade without ever having a top recruiting class.

 

no doubt Patterson and TCU do an exceptional job with what they have, however:

 

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while a lowering tide yada yada yada.

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no doubt Patterson and TCU do an exceptional job with what they have, however:

 

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while a lowering tide yada yada yada.

I don't think Strong will need to have top ranked recruiting classes at Texas either.  He recruits guys to fit his system, which I think is probably the way everybody should do it.  It resulted in Louisville having a bunch of first round picks when he was there.  Compare that to the schools that just take the best talent they can find, regardless of need.

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Sumlin is a good recruiter but what the article is saying is that the SEC (sans Texas A&M) has 2 of the Top 30 recruits. I don't think that number is different than before the expansion. A&M has more top 30 recruits, but that happens when A&M gets good. Now Texas should be in the mix more going forward and it is a little concerning with the lack of commitments, but the jury is still out. Part of Macks issues was that he had a full class before they started their senior year of high school and the players were maxed out on potential (in some cases). I'm ready to let things slide and see how it works.

On the positive side of things, the air is being let out some at Texas A&M. Sumlin's regressed (on the field) since he's started recruiting and the players that were there before left. His defense is slowing down similarly to how it was at Houston. However, like I said, he can recruit and has a bag of tricks (and candy). I'm not as worried as I was after his first year, but that could change if his new DC works out or he gets his kinks out. Texas wasn't as sharp this year but I felt we made progress as we moved on for the most part and with the amount of players cut lose this year I didn't have high hopes. We'll see. As master frog said, it's about development (I hope) and hopefully Strong can develop.

In the end it just doesn't matter because my university will get whatever it wants and be on the inside on any incarnation of whatever conference it chooses and whatever incarnation of the NCAA or BCS that arises. Our ego only got bigger with the Pac-10, SEC and Big 10 trying to get us to join their conference.

Look, why don't you just be quiet before my university buys yours and closes it just for spite?

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yep, I said that as soon as A&M went to the SEC their recruiting would go way up, "hey son, do you want to play SEC ball". 

And you have UT in a downward cycle due to several factors, and OU is about the same, good but not great.

If your Texas, what do you have to look forward too?  Playing Oklahoma and then Baylor and TCU?  Hardly stands up to playing Bama, Aubrun, LSU, Ark, etc.  
People try to minimize the losses of Neb, CU, A&M and Mizzou, but those 4 are 10x the nat'l interest WV and TCU have.

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If your Texas, what do you have to look forward too?  Playing Oklahoma and then Baylor and TCU?  Hardly stands up to playing Bama, Aubrun, LSU, Ark, etc.  

People try to minimize the losses of Neb, CU, A&M and Mizzou, but those 4 are 10x the nat'l interest WV and TCU have.

I agree schedule wise and while I don't think that is a huge thing at this point, I can EASILY see it as something that nibbles it over time.

And I've always agreed about the losses of the 4. TCU is playing great ball right now and turning heads, but when they return to the mean (and we all regress back to the mean at some point) what do they have?

That's why I don't see UT happy in the Big 12 over time. People can say UT loves to control their conference all day long, but UT has a bigger ego than to control Iowa St., Kansas and West Virginia. UT thinks they can control or be part of the ruling elite of any conference (esp as they are 8-10 team conferences anymore so it's hard for 1 team to control it all)and they will aspire for more. I wish the SEC since college sportswise Texas (the state) leans more Southernly and UT would more or less anchor the Western Division with LSU (and Bama if they don't slide East). But we chill probably go Pac-12.... Or Big Ten.

In the end it just doesn't matter because my university will get whatever it wants and be on the inside on any incarnation of whatever conference it chooses and whatever incarnation of the NCAA or BCS that arises. Our ego only got bigger with the Pac-10, SEC and Big 10 trying to get us to join their conference.

Look, why don't you just be quiet before my university buys yours and closes it just for spite?

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 Of the top 30 players in the state of Texas, according to the 247Sports Composite rankings, 11 of them are committed to SEC schools, including nine pledged to the Aggies. The Big 12, meanwhile, has six, with none of the top 15 players pledged to its member institutions.

 

I believe that Fresno has six out of Texas so far -- so we're doing as well as the Big XII.

 

Yoda out...

 

 

 

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Steve was first banned on the SDSU board.  When he was banned, it was a sufficiently controversial that they started what became an 8 page thread on the topic to justify the decision (https://aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/9747/steve-aztec-longer-member-board).  It is clear that Steve had support in the community and there was some criticism for the Board Administrators for having failed to “expel the dozens of people who've been taunting him.”  (And take a look at the thread that I bumped; initially it was supporters happy about Steve getting a radio show.  Then the haters arrived.)

I can’t say if Steve took it too far in response, but I will say that he denies most of various accusations and adds important missing context to others.  But I wasn’t a party to any of the events and can’t say who is in the right and who is in the wrong.  And I have to admit that if half of what has been said about him is true, depending on context, I might well have banned him too.  Or more likely I might have banned those who were taunting him.  (Steve had lost a brother-in-law to suicide and there have been a number of memes of people blowing their brains out, as well as posts blaming Steve or his sister for the suicide – and admins apparently let it go.)

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Texas A&M is a strange school..... Pseudo military.  

 

But they fill that stadium of theirs..  Their fans love them and sell their place out.

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What amazes me is how people actually live and work, eat and fornicate (not allowed in Tx), all while living in Texas. Astonishing.

There thats' mo betta!

"Make a mistake once and it becomes a lesson, make the same mistake twice and it becomes a choice."
 

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