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Utah State President Defends His Actions As Criticism Mounts

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Hey, I'll defend his actions too. I couldn't be happier that USU decided to stay in the WAC...I just wanna know what CT was thinking inviting a school that brings nothing to this conference.

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I continue to check USU's board every couple days and in so doing, continue to be amazed that there is absolutely nobody there who has questioned the prez. As I said the other day, if SDSU was in USU's place, I guarantee people would be coming out of the woodwork to question whether the guy actually rejected an offer to join the MWC and if he didn't, why he said he did, and if he did, why he reportedly did so without first confirming from Fresno State and UNR that they were similarly going to decline such an offer.

In my opinion, the whole thing just doesn't pass the smell test. Maybe USU fans have just been holding their noses and hoping for the best. If so, they just might want to check the poll here to discover how badly MWC fans want them in our conference.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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Hey, I'll defend his actions too. I couldn't be happier that USU decided to stay in the WAC...I just wanna know what CT was thinking inviting a school that brings nothing to this conference.

I think it's our current TV contract, as bad as it is. Without a Utah team in place it's null and void. I think a renegotiated contract without Utah/BYU would be ESPN type money, minimal. If BYU went independent as they wanted to a few years ago and we still had Utah, no worries. So it's by default BYU has importance now, although they think it's always been about them.

If the MWC was dealing in a position of strength we would have a new contract even without a team in Utah. I'd sure like to know what kind of dealings are going on, if they are. It seems strangely quiet all of a sudden.

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I continue to check USU's board every couple days and in so doing, continue to be amazed that there is absolutely nobody there who has questioned the prez. As I said the other day, if SDSU was in USU's place, I guarantee people would be coming out of the woodwork to question whether the guy actually rejected an offer to join the MWC and if he didn't, why he said he did, and if he did, why he reportedly did so without first confirming from Fresno State and UNR that they were similarly going to decline such an offer.

In my opinion, the whole thing just doesn't pass the smell test. Maybe USU fans have just been holding their noses and hoping for the best. If so, they just might want to check the poll here to discover how badly MWC fans want them in our conference.

Two things.

1. It isn't for fans to decide, so why would anyone care what internet posters think?

2. There are about 25% (as an estimate) of the fans that are pretty upset with him. The rest understand the situation he was in, and can see that a "binding" agreement was made which most thought would have been honored since the ink was still fresh.

My own thought is this. We are in a financial recession that was largely caused by deciet and greed as people tried to get credit for their homes. Being honest has its consequences, as does dishonesty. Honoring contracts and agreements in principle matters, and for that he does have my respect. USU graduates players, disciplines people who cause trouble, and has the highest collective GPA of any WAC school. They do things the right way, and will live with the consequences.

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1) It isn't for fans to decide, so why would anyone care what internet posters think?

2) My own thought is this. We are in a financial recession that was largely caused by deciet and greed as people tried to get credit for their homes. Being honest has its consequences, as does dishonesty. Honoring contracts and agreements in principle matters, and for that he does have my respect. USU graduates players, disciplines people who cause trouble, and has the highest collective GPA of any WAC school. They do things the right way, and will live with the consequences.

1) A number of Aztecs said the same thing in October 2008 when even after SDSU's first two losses ever against a DIAA school since SDSU moved up to DIA and even after two blowout losses to SJSU, a school Tom Craft blew out his final season, and even on the heels of the worst loss in school history to UNM our AD announced that Chuck Long would definitely return in 2009. Of course, Aztectalk eventually became part of the campaign that led to Chuck being forced out. About six months later the AD was forced out too.

2) I completely understand that opinion and I do not disagree with it. OTOH, I'm convinced that it's impossible in this day and age to have such complete purity of action and still have a successful DIA football program. I'm so convinced of that I'm pretty sure that if anybody who is a fan of a successful DIA football program tries to argue that their program is clean as the driven snow that they must either be very naive or lying. (And that includes BYU, Italics, if you're still lurking around here.)

Boom goes the dynamite.

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Maybe it's just semantics...and I haven't really taken the time to research the issue...but has it been acknowledged that USU turned down an actual "offer" or an actual "invite"....as opposed to being "contacted" and "respectfully declin[ing] MWC interest" (per Barnes open letter)?

If yes...no real defense. If no, the defense is "we weren't actually invited." Then procced to generate empathy by claiming USU were merely used like a two-bit whore if an invite never happens...or at least used for intel.

Sure, maybe CT's "contact" and expressed "interest" was a trial balloon before deciding on formally extending an offer to USU. But as I read things (and correct me please if I have missed confirmation of invite) we don't really know what the MWC/CT's motives may have been with USU individually. Perhaps he simply used USU by duping them into revealing how serious BYU was about making the move and/or its imminence.

CT's contact and interest allowed him to gauge the situation...and once a second tier WAC team chose to "decline MWC interest"...CT was able to confirm it's "game on." Hence, he goes after Fresno State and Nevada...the more obvious remaining WAC targets all along. After all, taking USU and not Fresno State and Nevada probably doesn't so diminish the WAC that it scuttles BYU's planned move.

It seems to me that if a true "offer" or "invite" was extended to USU last week in an effort to hold off BYU's departure (as the prevailing theory goes), with BYU still quiet a week later, it stands to reason that an "invite" for that same purpose would have been promptly renewed or remain outstanding.

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Two things.

1. It isn't for fans to decide, so why would anyone care what internet posters think?

2. There are about 25% (as an estimate) of the fans that are pretty upset with him. The rest understand the situation he was in, and can see that a "binding" agreement was made which most thought would have been honored since the ink was still fresh.

My own thought is this. We are in a financial recession that was largely caused by deciet and greed as people tried to get credit for their homes. Being honest has its consequences, as does dishonesty. Honoring contracts and agreements in principle matters, and for that he does have my respect. USU graduates players, disciplines people who cause trouble, and has the highest collective GPA of any WAC school. They do things the right way, and will live with the consequences.

USU was in no position to do anything but side with BYU. They weren't invited to the MWC, nor could they work closely with BYU for months to give them an option for joining the WAC and then pull the plug on a deal they crafted with Benson and BYU.

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USU was in no position to do anything but side with BYU. They weren't invited to the MWC

I don't believe they were invited to the MWC either except maybe as an alternative to Fresno or UNR if either declined to join. I also don't believe that even if talks between Hair Thompson and USU are continuing as rumor has it that such talks are anything more than inquiries from USU as to what the MWC thinks USU can do now to better position itself to be asked to join in the future. Of course, the answer is probably a diplomatic response that they should dramatically improve their football program and upgrade what rumor has it are poor facilities.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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But remember byu had nothing to do with either the 5 mill buyout or with the idea of wac expansion (at the expense of the MWC0 or anything else. They are just innocent bystanders that were bushwacked by the evil MWC.

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High roads pay off sooner or later. He's won my admiration.

and he fukd over USU in the proccess... The dude is a BYU Alum. He had BYU's interests ahead of his USU's. Maybe BYU gets him a cush job, but if USU is out in the cold after all of this... He will be out of a job and hated in logan. Because he will be the man that destroyed USU athletics.

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High roads pay off sooner or later. He's won my admiration.

High road is admirable but it may do irreparable harm to his University. I would like to thank him for taking the high road if in fact Utah St. did reject an invite to the MWC. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

**  “It’s a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what.”

“There’s no ‘I’ in team. There’s a ‘me’ though, if you jumble it up.”

 

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I contend USU was NEVER FORMALLY invited ...

they got the old ... if you were invited what would the response likely be ??/

They said NO ... when they should have said we would need a couple days to look at the numbers ...

The immediate no told CT and the MWC all they needed to know ...

USU was merely a puppet and a sounding board ... and they told CT EVERYTHING he needed to know without really saying it ...

Herr T played this beautifully ..

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High roads pay off sooner or later. He's won my admiration.

Mine too.

Ethics matter.

Yoda out...

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After deleting some of my posts and closing the offending SteveAztec thread, a couple of elites have been able to open it long enough to respond to me anyway.  And since I can’t respond on a closed thread, here is my response…

Other than the initial inquiry, this has never been about letting Steve post again; I doubt that he even wants to post here.  My complaint is about his treatment on this board and the failure of admins to control attacks on him – and worse, to sometimes participate in those attacks.

Steve was first banned on the SDSU board.  When he was banned, it was a sufficiently controversial that they started what became an 8 page thread on the topic to justify the decision (https://aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/9747/steve-aztec-longer-member-board).  It is clear that Steve had support in the community and there was some criticism for the Board Administrators for having failed to “expel the dozens of people who've been taunting him.”  (And take a look at the thread that I bumped; initially it was supporters happy about Steve getting a radio show.  Then the haters arrived.)

I can’t say if Steve took it too far in response, but I will say that he denies most of various accusations and adds important missing context to others.  But I wasn’t a party to any of the events and can’t say who is in the right and who is in the wrong.  And I have to admit that if half of what has been said about him is true, depending on context, I might well have banned him too.  Or more likely I might have banned those who were taunting him.  (Steve had lost a brother-in-law to suicide and there have been a number of memes of people blowing their brains out, as well as posts blaming Steve or his sister for the suicide – and admins apparently let it go.)

I am in no position to evaluate the truth or falsity of the laundry list of claims made on this board about how Steve responded to all this.  My complaint, however, is about his treatment on this board.  I may be wrong, but his banning on this board at least appears to have been less about what he did on this board and more a carryover from the SDSU banning.  The same taunting continued – more suicide memes – apparently ignored by the admins. Utenation supposedly posted the first and it is explained away because he didn’t know about the suicide.  But was the post taken down?  Was an apology issued?   Indeed, for years, admins on this board have allowed Steve to be vilified based on little more than anecdotal hearsay.  This is a privately owned board, but it is not a private board – anyone can join.  And more than that, It’s not an anonymous board; people know who Steve.  You have a duty to protect your posters from libelous statements and unproven allegations -- especially when, having been banned themselves, they have no ability to defend themselves.

Even Retrofade (who says he’s not a mod but can post to closed threads) put up a “blowing his brains out” meme several years ago.  He knew that Steve lost his brother-in-law to suicide, and he now says that “Steve is a mentally disturbed individual”, which is libelous by the way, but excuses his meme as nothing more than being in “poor taste”.  Apparently it is okay with the board's current admins to taunt a "mentally disturbed person" because the post has never been taken down.  The poster has never been admonished.  And there has been no apology, unless you consider "he deserved it" to be an apology.

In my view, you owe Steve an apology for the treatment that you have tolerated and, in some cases, engaged in.  A former Aztec board went out of business when sued (not by Steve).  It won’t be the last one.  You need to fix this.  You need to administer your board and prevent libelous and incendiary attacks -- hearsay-- on posters. 

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