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Who replaces Hawaii? BYU cannot be the answer....

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The answer is easy.

 

Texas State University, UTEP, and North Texas (you add 3 schools).

 

 

What makes you think that those schools would consider the MWC a step up and accept?

 

Given that the MWC is basically the WAC 2.0, the conference faces the same problem in attracting schools that the WAC had.  Each target president has to ask himself one question:  "Why should I join a conference in which all the good programs are trying to get out?"

 

Yoda out...

 

 

 

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After deleting some of my posts and closing the offending SteveAztec thread, a couple of elites have been able to open it long enough to respond to me anyway.  And since I can’t respond on a closed thread, here is my response…

Other than the initial inquiry, this has never been about letting Steve post again; I doubt that he even wants to post here.  My complaint is about his treatment on this board and the failure of admins to control attacks on him – and worse, to sometimes participate in those attacks.

Steve was first banned on the SDSU board.  When he was banned, it was a sufficiently controversial that they started what became an 8 page thread on the topic to justify the decision (https://aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/9747/steve-aztec-longer-member-board).  It is clear that Steve had support in the community and there was some criticism for the Board Administrators for having failed to “expel the dozens of people who've been taunting him.”  (And take a look at the thread that I bumped; initially it was supporters happy about Steve getting a radio show.  Then the haters arrived.)

I can’t say if Steve took it too far in response, but I will say that he denies most of various accusations and adds important missing context to others.  But I wasn’t a party to any of the events and can’t say who is in the right and who is in the wrong.  And I have to admit that if half of what has been said about him is true, depending on context, I might well have banned him too.  Or more likely I might have banned those who were taunting him.  (Steve had lost a brother-in-law to suicide and there have been a number of memes of people blowing their brains out, as well as posts blaming Steve or his sister for the suicide – and admins apparently let it go.)

I am in no position to evaluate the truth or falsity of the laundry list of claims made on this board about how Steve responded to all this.  My complaint, however, is about his treatment on this board.  I may be wrong, but his banning on this board at least appears to have been less about what he did on this board and more a carryover from the SDSU banning.  The same taunting continued – more suicide memes – apparently ignored by the admins. Utenation supposedly posted the first and it is explained away because he didn’t know about the suicide.  But was the post taken down?  Was an apology issued?   Indeed, for years, admins on this board have allowed Steve to be vilified based on little more than anecdotal hearsay.  This is a privately owned board, but it is not a private board – anyone can join.  And more than that, It’s not an anonymous board; people know who Steve.  You have a duty to protect your posters from libelous statements and unproven allegations -- especially when, having been banned themselves, they have no ability to defend themselves.

Even Retrofade (who says he’s not a mod but can post to closed threads) put up a “blowing his brains out” meme several years ago.  He knew that Steve lost his brother-in-law to suicide, and he now says that “Steve is a mentally disturbed individual”, which is libelous by the way, but excuses his meme as nothing more than being in “poor taste”.  Apparently it is okay with the board's current admins to taunt a "mentally disturbed person" because the post has never been taken down.  The poster has never been admonished.  And there has been no apology, unless you consider "he deserved it" to be an apology.

In my view, you owe Steve an apology for the treatment that you have tolerated and, in some cases, engaged in.  A former Aztec board went out of business when sued (not by Steve).  It won’t be the last one.  You need to fix this.  You need to administer your board and prevent libelous and incendiary attacks -- hearsay-- on posters. 

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What makes you think that those schools would consider the MWC a step up and accept?

 

Given that the MWC is basically the WAC 2.0, the conference faces the same problem in attracting schools that the WAC had.  Each target president has to ask himself one question:  "Why should I join a conference in which all the good programs are trying to get out?"

 

Yoda out...

 

 

 

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First, UTEP and Texas State would dump a load in their pants in sheer joy at being extended an offer, and would join in a second.

 

Second, you tell North Texas they are on the clock, and that you are adding one more school no matter what.

 

If North Texas delays, tell them to have fun in a gutted CUSA, and you add UTSA....

 

If UTSA delays, then you add Rice, LA Tech or even Idaho.  You lose nothing....    So many fall back options after you add the first 2 schools.

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I don't think UTEP is interested at all. They are having way more success in fundraising now that they are playing other Texas schools every year.

Cusa schools are a no go IMO. Not enough $ to warrent changing.

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Finally, an SDSU that brings something to the conference.

 

Yoda out...

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One brings a nationally respected basketball program and perhaps a budding baseball program as well.  The other has - their own bus

 

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Texas is the market we need to break into.  The only school that I believe that would make the jump is Texas State.  The other Texas schools are in a conference with each other which make for shorter travel times. 

 

I see no reason to go past 12 members.  Shift Boise St to the west division (which is what they want anyway) and move forward.

 

West Division:

Boise St

Fresno St

Nevada

UNLV

San Diego St

San Jose St

 

Mountain Division

Air Force

Colorado St

New Mexico

Texas St

Utah St

Wyoming

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I don't think UTEP is interested at all.  They are having way more success in fundraising now that they are playing other Texas schools every year.

 

The CUSA Texas schools would improve in the MWC (see TCU).

 

However, it might have the unintended consequence of hurting TCU's fan interest.

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That's not a serious note--full members can't be dropped.

They can be dropped by 3/4 vote, according to the MWC's amended articles of incorporation:

 

1. The entity name of the corporation is MOUNTAIN WEST CONFERENCE.
2. ARTICLE V ( c ) of the Articles of Incorporation of the Mountain West Conference is
deleted in its entirety and a new Article V( c ) is inserted in lieu thereof reading in its
entirety as follows:
( c ) The voting members of the Corporation shall be as determined by
resolution of the Board of Directors of the Corporation from time to time. Any
action by the Board of Directors to admit or remove a voting member of the
Corporation must be approved by the vote of at least three fourths (3/4) of the

members of the Board of Directors of the Corporation. 

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If Hawai'i is going to drop football it has to happen now! We call up UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, Texas State say they have the opportunity to join now. Then let them bid against each other, we should work toward getting the best deal to include travel subsidies for the winning team. The team with the best offer joins,now.

Out of my mind for the Lobos!!

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