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Where the Iron Crosses Grow, The Crimea 1941-44

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A good military read. Plus the book is pertinent to understand the historical context of the Crimea in the current Russian Ukrainian conflict.  The Crimea was a microcosm of the Soviet - German conflict. It was a crucible that saw the Soviets and later the German armies surrounded, overwhelmed, and in the end destroyed. The fighting in the Crimea was unusual. Naval forces playing an important role, for both sides, in naval supply, amphibious landings, and evacuations. The Crimea saw the same levels of barbarism commonplace throughout the Eastern Front. 

 

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Lots of moving parts in that area.  You have the Bulgarians, the Romanians, the pro German Ukranians, the pro Soviet Ukranians, the Moldovians, and of course the Soviets and Germans.  The Soviets moved the Black Sea fleet to Georgia, which was problematic because the shipyard facilities were inadequate there.  The Soviets had a lot more surface assets, but for most of the war, Germany had air superiority, so the Soviet Navy wasn't able to dominate the Black Sea.

 

Anyway, thanks for the tip.  I'll buy that book for my dad whose birthday is coming up, then try to find time to read it myself.  Looks interesting.

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The author has strong criticisms of von Manstein. Guess he did not read "Lost Victories."

Crimea 1941 - 1944 would be perfect for an Avalon Hill type simultion.

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The author has strong criticisms of von Manstein. Guess he did not read "Lost Victories."

Crimea 1941 - 1944 would be perfect for an Avalon Hill type simultion.

 

I still have a bunch of Avalon Hill games including "Panzer Grudarian",  and "Russian Campaign".  As well as all the squad leader stuff.   

 

The real gaming stuff!

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That area was phucked long before the 40's. My great great grandfather fought in the 1st Crimean War back in the 1850's. If I remember enough about the war from the research I have done the Brits, French, Ottomans took on the Russians, Serbs and Greeks. I'd imagine a pretty nasty war as I know close to a million were killed and many of the Brits and French died from diseases. It certainly wasn't the first war between the Ottomans and the Russians. 

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That area was phucked long before the 40's. My great great grandfather fought in the 1st Crimean War back in the 1850's. If I remember enough about the war from the research I have done the Brits, French, Ottomans took on the Russians, Serbs and Greeks. I'd imagine a pretty nasty war as I know close to a million were killed and many of the Brits and French died from diseases. It certainly wasn't the first war between the Ottomans and the Russians. 

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That area was phucked long before the 40's. My great great grandfather fought in the 1st Crimean War back in the 1850's. If I remember enough about the war from the research I have done the Brits, French, Ottomans took on the Russians, Serbs and Greeks. I'd imagine a pretty nasty war as I know close to a million were killed and many of the Brits and French died from diseases. It certainly wasn't the first war between the Ottomans and the Russians. 

Yeah... battleground for a long time and not ever really ethnically homogeneous. Furthest reach of classical Greece, traded hands between Scythians, Goths, Romans, and Huns, Byzantines, Ottomans, parts were possessed by Venice for a time, was the originator of the bubonic plague into Europe, had the Golden Horde for a long time and was tatar for a long time until they were uprooted. Being a crossroads can be rough.

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A good military read. Plus the book is pertinent to understand the historical context of the Crimea in the current Russian Ukrainian conflict. The Crimea was a microcosm of the Soviet - German conflict. It was a crucible that saw the Soviets and later the German armies surrounded, overwhelmed, and in the end destroyed. The fighting in the Crimea was unusual. Naval forces playing an important role, for both sides, in naval supply, amphibious landings, and evacuations. The Crimea saw the same levels of barbarism commonplace throughout the Eastern Front.

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Thanks for the recommendation. I love these types of books.
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