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UNLV almost always finishes in the Top 3 and it doesn't matter where the tournament is played, UNLV will be a player.

The MWC is a weak Basketball conference. UNLV will be in the Semifinals or finals no matter where you play it.

Get used to it.

UNLV is a power in MWC Mens basketball and nothing is going to change that.

Move to Mexico. UNLV is still in the Finals.

Doesn't matter.

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UNLV almost always finishes in the Top 3 and it doesn't matter where the tournament is played, UNLV will be a player. The MWC is a weak Basketball conference. UNLV will be in the Semifinals or finals no matter where you play it. Get used to it. UNLV is a power in MWC Mens basketball and nothing is going to change that. Move to Mexico. UNLV is still in the Finals. Doesn't matter.

2008-Las Vegas: UNLV Wins at Home

2007-Las Vegas: UNLV Wins at Home

2006-Denver: SDSU beats Wyoming

2005-Denver: New Mexico beats Utah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_West...ball_Tournament

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#20 BYU 14, #3 Oklahoma 13

#18 BYU 26, #21 Utah 23

#14 BYU 44, #16 Oregon State 20

#10 BYU 82, Utah 69

#14 BYU 71, Utah 51

#16 BYU 99, Florida 92

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2008-Las Vegas: UNLV Wins at Home

2007-Las Vegas: UNLV Wins at Home

2006-Denver: SDSU beats Wyoming

2005-Denver: New Mexico beats Utah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_West...ball_Tournament

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2008-Las Vegas: UNLV Wins at Home - conference record 12-4 2nd

2007-Las Vegas: UNLV Wins at Home - conference record 12-4 2nd

2006-Denver: SDSU beats Wyoming - conference record 10-6 4th

2005-Denver: New Mexico beats Utah - conference record 7-7 t-4th

When UNLV has fielded a good team they have won, yes it helps to have home court advantage but it's not like they were at the bottom of the conference and won because they were playing at home.

By the way what happened in Denver the year you omitted (2004) or in Las Vegas the two years before that?

2004 Utah beats UNLV Pepsi Center, Denver

2003 Colorado State beats UNLV Thomas & Mack Center

2002 San Diego State beats UNLV Thomas & Mack

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This has been hashed and rehashed, but IMO stats don't tell the whole story here. No matter how you spin it, it is still a road game for everyone else when they play UNLV at the Thomas & Mack and a home game for UNLV. I don't know what the answer is, but changes need to be made.

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Since you're on the tournament topic...

Why do we seed the teams in the tournament? The best team plays the worst team...etc.. Isn't this an unfair advantage for the best team? Maybe this needs to be looked into. Shouldn't we just put the names in a hat and draw for the match-ups? That would be fair.

To answer my own question...

We do that to help ensure that the best team makes it to the NCAA tournament to represent the conference instead of a hot team on a one night stand.

Recent NCAA tournament history has shown that the MWC Tournament winner was in fact the best team to represent the conference regardless of the seeding.

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By the way what happened in Denver the year you omitted (2004) or in Las Vegas the two years before that?

3 years in Denver, 0 UNLV Championships, 1 UNLV Final

6 years in Las Vegas, 3 UNLV Championships, 5 UNLV Finals

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#20 BYU 14, #3 Oklahoma 13

#18 BYU 26, #21 Utah 23

#14 BYU 44, #16 Oregon State 20

#10 BYU 82, Utah 69

#14 BYU 71, Utah 51

#16 BYU 99, Florida 92

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3 years in Denver, 0 UNLV Championships, 1 UNLV Final

6 years in Las Vegas, 3 UNLV Championships, 5 UNLV Finals

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Different coaches, different players, different competition, different years, different results.

Personally I hope they move it to another city just so I don't have to listen to the whining.

UNLV isn't forcing the conference to play at the T&M so quit blaming the Rebels for hosting an event that the entire conference membership voted on.

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Ever notice that not 1 of the women coaches complain about the location of the tournament??? Geeee I wonder why...

The tournament is in Vegas for 1 reason, and 1 reason only... Money.

Perhaps because UNLV has very few Women's BB fans and it is more of a neutral court? Frankly I think only New Mexico and Wyo draw well for women's BB

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3 years in Denver, 0 UNLV Championships, 1 UNLV Final

6 years in Las Vegas, 3 UNLV Championships, 5 UNLV Finals

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OK then where were all these complaints in the previous years about UNLV's home-court advantage? Also, previous to the last two years we only won 1/4 tourneys at the T&M. Perhaps the issue is that UNLV now has a very good team, wasn't so much of an issue when we weren't as good, was it? I do not remember hearing anything like this from Colorado State or SDSU when they beat us in the conf. final game...on our home floor nonetheless. Hmmm.

Everyone here knows the real issue is that until recently, we didn't win any of these MWC tourneys against BYU. But now we have. Twice in a row. Ouch. And we all know that is the ONLY reason why the MWC is "looking into" the situation now. BYU fan cries, Thompson shows up with a tissue. But it looks like you have company now with Alford.

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Serious question for everyone--especially Reb fans. A lot of people say the tourney is in Vegas due to money. Does everyone really think that average attendance would be higher in Vegas than Salt Lake (with good Utah and BYU teams)?

The question is strictly attendance (i.e. revenue). I don't know, I think attendance would be high at Salt Lake.

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Serious question for everyone--especially Reb fans. A lot of people say the tourney is in Vegas due to money. Does everyone really think that average attendance would be higher in Vegas than Salt Lake (with good Utah and BYU teams)?

The question is strictly attendance (i.e. revenue). I don't know, I think attendance would be high at Salt Lake.

I suspect Salt Lake would equal Vegas easy in Attendance. I still say rotate it. Salt Lake, Vegas, and Denver in neutral arenas.

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I suspect Salt Lake would equal Vegas easy in Attendance. I still say rotate it. Salt Lake, Vegas, and Denver in neutral arenas.

I do think it would depend on the bracket and how BYU and Utah are doing. I think on average you may be right, but I would bet attendance would be a little higher. If BYU and Utah were on opposite sides of the bracket and met in the championship, attendance records compare to Vegas would be smashed.

I tried to get the numbers from the conference, but I wonder how much of the attendance decline in Denver was due to Reb fans not traveling. To me, that is one of the biggest things. If we are keeping it in Vegas to accomodate Reb fans, then ... well I don't know. Again, I'm not suggesting Denver. Simply, if our boost in attendance is primarily (note: not entirely) due to local Reb crowds, then I don't know that it is fair.

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Are there any other venues in Vegas that can hold as much as the Thomas and Mack? I know the Orleans holds around 9k, but IMO is to small for rhw MWC tourney. It is not the city people are concerned about but the venue. The Puke 10 uses Staples, and you rarely hear a complaint that SC or UCLA have an advantage.

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Personally I hope they move it to another city just so I don't have to listen to the whining.

UNLV isn't forcing the conference to play at the T&M so quit blaming the Rebels for hosting an event that the entire conference membership voted on.

I propose a MWC football tournament played at Lavell Edwards Stadium... Can you even imagine the complaints from the rest of the league if that happened? I don't think the basketball situation is any different.

I don't think the solution is very difficult. I would support rotating the tournament among neutral sites, but if it has to be in Vegas lets at least move it from the Thomas & Mack when the new arena on the strip is finished.

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I have 1 more question for Reb fans. I thought I remember reading that Vegas was shifting to catering more towards the high end clients and that the Strip may eventually (soon) be priced so that the average fan can't afford it. The common folk will stay off of the strip and just visit it. Any truth to that? If there is a shift in "attitude" what impacts could it have on the MWC tourney?

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Serious question for everyone--especially Reb fans. A lot of people say the tourney is in Vegas due to money. Does everyone really think that average attendance would be higher in Vegas than Salt Lake (with good Utah and BYU teams)?

The question is strictly attendance (i.e. revenue). I don't know, I think attendance would be high at Salt Lake.

Of course attendance would be high in SLC. It would just be another HOME game for either BYU/Utah. Although calculating pure revenue....I think by having UNLV hosting it makes more money for the MWC. Concession sales.....liquor sales......and low rent. I am sure the MWC gets a good rate with UNLV being a member of the conference. In SLC.....most likely an NBA arena will charge us an arm and a leg just like the Pepsi Center did.

What is the point of moving it to SLC if the rest of the MWC is gonna continue to cry and complain of a disadvantage. In fact if you think a packed Thomas & Mack was prone to overzealous Rebel fans.....imagine what an NBA arena in SLC will be advantaged towards BYU/Utah. Newsflash--->BYU/Utah are within a small radius of SLC. We all know how loyal those Utah fans are.

At least with Las Vegas.....you can get a good travel from other MWC colleagues due to the destination-city package. How many travelers will go to SLC? My guess is zilch....nada...ZERO! Do they have an airport or bars in SLC? If you think I am OVER-exaggerating.....just look at how much a "neutral" arena in Denver damaged our conference and tournament. We had 3 schools within a good driving distance....and the attendence at the Pepsi Center was horrid.

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Of course attendance would be high in SLC. It would just be another HOME game for either BYU/Utah.

What is the point of moving it to SLC if the rest of the MWC is gonna continue to cry and complain of a disadvantage. In fact if you think a packed Thomas & Mack was prone to overzealous Rebel fans.....imagine what an NBA arena in SLC will be advantaged towards BYU/Utah.

If it is about money, SLC should generate more money.

So, if we eliminate the money/attendance factor, then why should Vegas host?

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