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Thompson again considering moving Tourny out of Vegas

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Do we have an advantage?

ABSOLUTELY

Is it fair?

NO

I present the same question as I have on many other threads. Is their a VIABLE alternative? Right now, there isn't. There have been lots of ideas. on this board, some of which I think are great ideas. There has been discussion about neutral cities/sites, rotating, etc. but none of them really has been proven that it will work at the same level. Let's face it, the school presidents are all businessmen. I imagine that the options were all laid out on the table and the one that made the most sense was Vegas because of the ability to make a lot of money. San Diego would be teh second best, in my opinion, but they lack an arena big enough and it may be too far for a lot of fans. Salt Lake City would work in that it would sell a lot of tickets for the home team (much like UNLV does) but the lack of entertainment outside of the tournament is pitiful. I used to live in Salt Lake and would take several clients to the Jazz games in our company owned suite. Some of these clients were from out of town and found it odd that it was so difficult to get a drink in the city. You almost have to live there to know where any good bars are around town or make the drive up to Park City. I think Denver could work if given the chance but it is going to be hard to convince the presidents to give up all that revenue for an extended amount of time taking the wait and see approach. I, for one, would like it out of Vegas. As RebelRobert mentioned above it is a slight disadvantage to us. I got tired of hearing all of the sportscasters last year saying if Vegas doesn't win it then they may not make the tournament or their seed will be impacted dramatically. That wasn't the case for any other team. Winning at home is expected at such a late time in the season. So one one hand you have to win and on the other hand you get slammed every time you do.

The best remedy is to win. The environments are a lot more hostile in the tournament when a team like Kentucky can bring 30,000 screaming fans on the road. That is a much tougher test.

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Attendance numbers from the box scores

I think these numbers will be the same for every game, since the MWC sells session tickets the attendance will be the same for all games played that day.

2007-08 - Las Vegas

Championship - 16096 (BYU vs UNLV)

Semi-final - 13913 (Utah vs UNLV)

1st round - 10857 (TCU vs UNLV)

2006-07- Las Vegas

Championship - 16204 (BYU vs UNLV)

Semi-final - 13891 ( CSU vs UNLV)

1st round - 10925 (UNLV vs Utah)

2005-06 - Denver

Championship - 10840 (Wyoming vs. SDSU)

Semi Final - 8573 (UNLV vs SDSU)

1st round - 5625 (UNLV vs UNM)

2004-05 - Denver

Championship - 10628 (Utah vs. New Mexico)

Semi Final - 9415 (UNLV vs Utah)

1st round - 7603 (UNLV vs Wyoming)

2003-04 - Denver

Championship - 6526 (UNLV vs Utah)

Semi Final - 9653 (UNLV vs CSU)

1st round - 9781 (UNLV vs UNM)

2002-03 - Las Vegas

Championship - 13942 (UNLV vs CSU)

Semi-final - 15635 (UNLV vs Utah)

1st round - 10921 (UNLV vs SDSU)

2001-02 - Las Vegas

Championship - 14347 (UNLV vs SDSU)

Semi-final - 14837 (UNLV vs Utah)

1st round - 12886 (UNLV vs UNM)

2000-01 - Las Vegas ??? (UNLV did not compete)

1999-00 - Las Vegas

Championship - 14,237 (UNLV vs BYU)

Semi-final - 12,437 (UNLV vs Wyoming)

1st round - 7,124 (UNLV vs SDSU)

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This would be the year to look at to see what kind of draw the tournament has without UNLV participating.

I'll see if I can find the stats.

Fan support deemed tremendous by commissioner.

March 14, 2001

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The Mountain West Conference set new marks for attendance and tickets sold for its Basketball Championships, March 7-10, at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas, Nev.

For the 13 games of the men's and women's championships, 78,682 tickets were sold, an increase of 10,067 over last year, with a total attendance of 61,064 for the four days of the Championships.

This year's MWC Championships marked the second time in the league's two-year history that every men's and women's game was televised and the first that live audio from each game was broadcast on www.mountainwestconf.com.

Because of NCAA sanctions, UNLV was excluded from the men's bracket of this year's Championships. As a result, the Championships were reduced by one game to 13 in total.

"The fan support for our first two Basketball Championships in Las Vegas has been tremendous," commented Mountain West Conference commissioner Craig Thompson. "Especially for this year's championship considering we played one less game. I look forward to the continued success and growth of our Basketball Championships."

For last season's inaugural MWC Basketball Championships, 68,615 tickets were sold, with a total attendance of 60,468.

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What's funny about BYU fan bitching about UNLV's perceived homecourt edge is that their team has done nothing to suggest homecourt was THE deciding factor in a loss. When you go down and repeatedly get blown out by 20-plus points, complaining about playing a road game is the weakest of sour grapes one can toss out.

Until you actually show up for a full 40 minutes for a game at the T&M, clam it.

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The fact that he is the UofU coach does not mean I automatically agree with him but, this case the straight forward Boylen says it all... Right after a tough loss to UNLV in the T&M.

About 45% into the post game presser.

This league needs to grow our brand and being in Vegas is part of it. It is wear this league is at right now... If we can move it to another building some day fine but, this is the best building to have the tournament in right now.

Yes, it is a bit unfair but, Conference Tournaments are ALL UNFAIR... They are about $$$ and exposure not fairness. The rest of us just need to deal with that fact.

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What's funny about BYU fan bitching about UNLV's perceived homecourt edge is that their team has done nothing to suggest homecourt was THE deciding factor in a loss. When you go down and repeatedly get blown out by 20-plus points, complaining about playing a road game is the weakest of sour grapes one can toss out.

Until you actually show up for a full 40 minutes for a game at the T&M, clam it.

I agree and it shouldn't matter where it's held good teams win regardless of where it is held it didn't stop utah when they were great and it shouldn't stop anyone else from winning. Your team shouldn't be in a predicament like UNM was last year where there SOS sucked, RPI was good and they needed to win it all to get in the tournament.

The tourney should be in Vegas at some place other than the T&M.

I agree.

This is rich. Maybe if snot fans could produce a winning conference record for the 1st time in 4 years they could actually have a say. As it is, your program is worthless and the laughingstock of the league. Losers.

By the way, in 2007 BYU actually lead UNLV for virtually the entire game. It wasn't until the final few minutes that UNLV grabbed the lead. BYU lead by double figures in the 1st half. Had the game been in Provo the Cougars probably win by 30 or 40. Fact is BYU's been the league's best team the last two years. They've won the league outright and destroyed UNLV in Provo both years. UNLV has used the homecourt in the tournament to get an edge on other teams that they clearly were not better than (as PROVEN during the regular season).

Now "clam it" snot fan until you break your 3+ year drought of not being able to beat BYU in a major sport. :lol:

Fact UNLV has outperformed the so called "league's best team" in not only the NCAA tournament, but the series as well. Moving it to utah or alb. is still going to be a home field advantage the only difference is who benefits from it.

Dang the MWC must suck if our best team can't win any NCAA tournament games...

Yeah it does and it just goes to show you if they would be more worried about the game instead of where it's held they might actually get passed the first round. 2 Years ago the excuse was "It's in Xavier's back yard", "They are a tougher team the GT". Well UNLV played Wisky close to there home and won and theres no reason BYU couldn't. Last year the excuses were much the same "Texas AM was close to home", it didn't matter to the fact that UNLV had to play Kansas at Omaha, Instead of worrying about the game why don't you worry about why your team can not for the life of them get past the first round.

The fact that he is the UofU coach does not mean I automatically agree with him but, this case the straight forward Boylen says it all... Right after a tough loss to UNLV in the T&M.

About 45% into the post game presser.

Yes, it is a bit unfair but, Conference Tournaments are ALL UNFAIR... They are about $$$ and exposure not fairness. The rest of us just need to deal with that fact.

I agree it makes money and it is an unfair advantage and not one that is insurmountable by any means just ask CSU and SDSU. However UNLV continues to rise I really don't think it'll matter in a few years where the games played.

The measure of true greatness isn't what you did but by how people remember you.

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Basketball:

NCAA Championship: 1 (1990)

Final Four's : 4 (1977, 1987, 1990, 1991)

Elite Eights: 5 (1977, 1987, 1989, 1990, 1991)

Top 5 All time winning percentage.

Current leader in streak for most games with a concencutive 3 point field goal.

Football:

Undefeated in bowls (3-0)

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Look I understand the defensive replies to this thread by UNLV, but how can Rebel fans really think it's fair for their team to play home games when there is a Auto-bid on line?!

Put that MWC Tourney in ABQ, and I guarantee UNM wins 9 out of 10 times, and UNLV fans will be the first to say it's unfair.

The Tourney won't move for obvious reasons, moving the Tourney is wishful thinking...........

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From an outsider's perspective, it's quite obvious the tourney needs to be in Vegas, at least for now. I remember watching the tourney on ESPN in the earlier part of the decade and it was fun and exciting and seemed like an event. Sure plenty of that was when UNLV played, but it was still exciting or to put it better "caught my eye" more.

Fast forward to the tourney in Denver and well, the difference is clear. On TV, the Pepsi Center sounded so dead. Add to it that you guys started the MTN and it seemed to virtually disappear. I didn't even want to watch long because of how quiet the place was.

I think Vegas guarentees solid attendence, obviously for the home team but you will draw more people and T&M from my experience seems WAY more livelier than PC

If you guys complain so much, why not scrap the tourney, I've never liked the idea of conference tourney anyways.

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Look I understand the defensive replies to this thread by UNLV, but how can Rebel fans really think it's fair for their team to play home games when there is a Auto-bid on line?!

Put that MWC Tourney in ABQ, and I guarantee UNM wins 9 out of 10 times, and UNLV fans will be the first to say it's unfair.

The Tourney won't move for obvious reasons, moving the Tourney is wishful thinking...........

Well just for historical perspective the WAC did have the tournament in Albuquerque for two years, Utah won once and UNM won once (over Utah in the finals and it did seem to be very much a "home game" for UNM).

When you add that WAC Tournament history in the T&M you still don't see any total dominance for UNLV.

My only complaint is a bit of a fuzzy one... I wish the UNLV fans would view the MWC tournament a little more like they were hosts rather than visiting MWC fans as uninvited guests to the UNLV tournament. I don't know how the heck you do that but, I did hear quite a lot of compaints from non-UNLV fans (from several different schools) that they didn't feel all that welcome in the T&M.

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The tourney should be in Vegas at some place other than the T&M.

I agree, Mandalay Bay and MGM Grand have 15K seat arenas. Why not hold them there? They are already having tourney games at The Orleans and the WCC is hosting there conference tourney in Vegas too. Anywhere but the T&M!

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Look I understand the defensive replies to this thread by UNLV, but how can Rebel fans really think it's fair for their team to play home games when there is a Auto-bid on line?!

How many times do we have to say we don't think it's fair, it's not fair to the rest of the conference and because the committee expects UNLV to win it's not fair to UNLV. It works both ways.

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Look I understand the defensive replies to this thread by UNLV, but how can Rebel fans really think it's fair for their team to play home games when there is a Auto-bid on line?!

Put that MWC Tourney in ABQ, and I guarantee UNM wins 9 out of 10 times, and UNLV fans will be the first to say it's unfair.

The Tourney won't move for obvious reasons, moving the Tourney is wishful thinking...........

It's not that we are defensive we get it!!!! it's an advantage but there's nothing we as fans can do to that. Would you rather have us just not show up? I don't get the logic here when it was your presidents that VOTED for it to go back to vegas. NOT UNLV ALONE, NOT IT'S FANS. You can put the Tournament wherever you want to put it won't matter because UNLV is setting themselves up to make runs in the NCAA's and the MWC while nice isn't the goal to win it's an ends to a means. Putting the tournament in the pit doesn't FIX the problem, putting the tournament in UTAH doesn't FIX the problem. All that does is switch who gets the advantage. I don't care if you do it but don't be hypocritial about it and say it would fix the problem.

WE AS UNLV FANS ADMIT THAT IT'S AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE FOR UNLV (Major disadvantage if they don't win). Now give me a viable alternative to it all and we'll talk about the probability of moving it there.

From an outsider's perspective, it's quite obvious the tourney needs to be in Vegas, at least for now. I remember watching the tourney on ESPN in the earlier part of the decade and it was fun and exciting and seemed like an event. Sure plenty of that was when UNLV played, but it was still exciting or to put it better "caught my eye" more.

Fast forward to the tourney in Denver and well, the difference is clear. On TV, the Pepsi Center sounded so dead. Add to it that you guys started the MTN and it seemed to virtually disappear. I didn't even want to watch long because of how quiet the place was.

I think Vegas guarentees solid attendence, obviously for the home team but you will draw more people and T&M from my experience seems WAY more livelier than PC

If you guys complain so much, why not scrap the tourney, I've never liked the idea of conference tourney anyways.

Interesting perspective.

Well just for historical perspective the WAC did have the tournament in Albuquerque for two years, Utah won once and UNM won once (over Utah in the finals and it did seem to be very much a "home game" for UNM).

When you add that WAC Tournament history in the T&M you still don't see any total dominance for UNLV.

My only complaint is a bit of a fuzzy one... I wish the UNLV fans would view the MWC tournament a little more like they were hosts rather than visiting MWC fans as uninvited guests to the UNLV tournament. I don't know how the heck you do that but, I did hear quite a lot of compaints from non-UNLV fans (from several different schools) that they didn't feel all that welcome in the T&M.

Interesting that another utes fans realize that it doesn't matter where the tournament is played but that you can win anywhere if your good. I agree with the UNLV fans not acting as good host. I was shocked when a idiot was shouting F utah during the UNLV/Utah game. Exspecially since there was little kids near by.

I agree, Mandalay Bay and MGM Grand have 15K seat arenas. Why not hold them there? They are already having tourney games at The Orleans and the WCC is hosting there conference tourney in Vegas too. Anywhere but the T&M!

To close to the casino the new orleans on I believe is x amount of feet away from that. I feel that when the new arena gets build we should move it there and every team should get to play there 1 time before the tournament (preseason maybe).

The measure of true greatness isn't what you did but by how people remember you.

unlv.jpg

Basketball:

NCAA Championship: 1 (1990)

Final Four's : 4 (1977, 1987, 1990, 1991)

Elite Eights: 5 (1977, 1987, 1989, 1990, 1991)

Top 5 All time winning percentage.

Current leader in streak for most games with a concencutive 3 point field goal.

Football:

Undefeated in bowls (3-0)

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I wish the UNLV fans would view the MWC tournament a little more like they were hosts rather than visiting MWC fans as uninvited guests to the UNLV tournament. I don't know how the heck you do that but, I did hear quite a lot of compaints from non-UNLV fans (from several different schools) that they didn't feel all that welcome in the T&M.

UNLV is currently fighting a lawsuit that they were negligent last year providing security in the T&M, resulting in a fight that broke out and was not broken up, which further resulted in fans being injured. And it looks like UNLV will be held liable for up to millions, potentially. They do not appear to have any defense of themselves to offer, except that they were cutting corners to try to save money. Alcohol sales played a huge part as well, of course.

#20 BYU 14, #3 Oklahoma 13

#18 BYU 26, #21 Utah 23

#14 BYU 44, #16 Oregon State 20

#10 BYU 82, Utah 69

#14 BYU 71, Utah 51

#16 BYU 99, Florida 92

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Attendance numbers from the box scores

I think these numbers will be the same for every game, since the MWC sells session tickets the attendance will be the same for all games played that day.

2007-08 - Las Vegas

Championship - 16096 (BYU vs UNLV)

Semi-final - 13913 (Utah vs UNLV)

1st round - 10857 (TCU vs UNLV)

2006-07- Las Vegas

Championship - 16204 (BYU vs UNLV)

Semi-final - 13891 ( CSU vs UNLV)

1st round - 10925 (UNLV vs Utah)

2005-06 - Denver

Championship - 10840 (Wyoming vs. SDSU)

Semi Final - 8573 (UNLV vs SDSU)

1st round - 5625 (UNLV vs UNM)

2004-05 - Denver

Championship - 10628 (Utah vs. New Mexico)

Semi Final - 9415 (UNLV vs Utah)

1st round - 7603 (UNLV vs Wyoming)

2003-04 - Denver

Championship - 6526 (UNLV vs Utah)

Semi Final - 9653 (UNLV vs CSU)

1st round - 9781 (UNLV vs UNM)

2002-03 - Las Vegas

Championship - 13942 (UNLV vs CSU)

Semi-final - 15635 (UNLV vs Utah)

1st round - 10921 (UNLV vs SDSU)

2001-02 - Las Vegas

Championship - 14347 (UNLV vs SDSU)

Semi-final - 14837 (UNLV vs Utah)

1st round - 12886 (UNLV vs UNM)

2000-01 - Las Vegas ??? (UNLV did not compete)

1999-00 - Las Vegas

Championship - 14,237 (UNLV vs BYU)

Semi-final - 12,437 (UNLV vs Wyoming)

1st round - 7,124 (UNLV vs SDSU)

Thanks. That is kind of what I was getting at. I think it is safe to say, a lot of Reb fans showed up for UNLV games in Vegas but not Denver. Look, I'm not saying move the tourney back to Denver. I'm saying that the attendance argument is moot point because the much of the boost is due to local Reb fans. If we are going strictly on attendance, then SLC would probably eclipse Vegas.

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I don't know how the heck you do that but, I did hear quite a lot of compaints from non-UNLV fans (from several different schools) that they didn't feel all that welcome in the T&M.

I must admit I guilty of this. Not in screaming or yelling way, but I don't want other fans in our building. It just bugs me. I wish they move the thing. It's not worth it, and there is danger in missing the NCAA because you catch a home loss so close to the end of the season.

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UNLV is currently fighting a lawsuit that they were negligent last year providing security in the T&M, resulting in a fight that broke out and was not broken up, which further resulted in fans being injured. And it looks like UNLV will be held liable for up to millions, potentially. They do not appear to have any defense of themselves to offer, except that they were cutting corners to try to save money. Alcohol sales played a huge part as well, of course.

You're wrong, UNLV rented the building to the MWC. The MWC was required to hire security. Yes they did hire the ushers/ security that typically work UNLV games, but for this tournament they were under the employ of the MWC. UNLV is not being sued by anyone, but the conference is.

First of all any case like this is not going to conclude this quickly. For you to say, "And it looks like UNLV will be held liable for up to millions, potentially." is absurd. The MWC will be liable and quite possibly the T&M. This is just inflamitory BS.

Oh i just figured it out it's all garbage . Scroll down

"This is not Nam. This is bowling. There are rules." - Walter Sobchak

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UNLV is currently fighting a lawsuit that they were negligent last year providing security in the T&M, resulting in a fight that broke out and was not broken up, which further resulted in fans being injured. And it looks like UNLV will be held liable for up to millions, potentially. They do not appear to have any defense of themselves to offer, except that they were cutting corners to try to save money. Alcohol sales played a huge part as well, of course.

The MWC is responsible for security at the tournament not UNLV. It is the conference's event, not UNLV. How do you know alcohol played a "huge part"? Have you read the lawsuit?

It's obvious you have an ax to grind with all things UNLV. Frankly it's hard to believe anything you say on this subject considering this thread started with you cutting out sections of quotes for you to try to make your anti-UNLV argument. We get it. You don't like UNLV. You do forget that BYU asked the conference for the changes that caused lots of problems last year.

Here's the solution for security. Just have Sarah Cummard run things. She already tries to anyway.

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