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5 hours ago, Boise fan said:

Hey I grew up in a large Jewish area and the families I knew said a Rabbi had to be involved.  If a rabbi had to be involved then a Muslim baker couldn’t do it himself. 

But enjoy yourself, I’m not like the Tool who never admits when he’s wrong.  

I lived in a traditional Jewish area of Boston and dated a couple of Jewish women. One was a robotic surgeon and the best lay I ever had. My lord, she would do things that made me blush, things I thought only happened in porn. There were a couple instances when we first started dating when I had to ask if she was serious because I would have never had the thought or nerve to ask a woman to do those things. I’ll never forget those soirées with her — I probably could have fallen in love but she was pretty damn cold and mean at times. Not the best personality fit — but so damn erotic. 

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16 minutes ago, Joe from WY said:

Did she have tattoos? 

She had a tramp stamp, which I'm not that into ... but it did make for a nice target if you catch my drift. 

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Just now, Joe from WY said:

Best piece of ass I ever had was a tattooed Jewess who worked at a gun store

 

Gottdamm that's hot! 

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On 12/6/2017 at 2:14 AM, Boise fan said:

Use that logic to describe Jewish people.  Not Hasidic, just every day people.  The Germans didn't think people should do business with them. Or house them.  Or feed them.  And they weren't wearing their "jewishness" on their sleeve.

Prejudice is prejudice.  It's wrong, and it doesn't matter how you try and paint it. 

 

12 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Yep, you still have no clue as to Judaism, German history, Jewish history, the history of Jews in Germany, history, law, or even reality. Although your quadrupling down on the “intellectual content” within that post is really illuminating as to who you don’t classify as everyday day people.

Ok, genius.  School me.  Let's hear your deep insights.   Begin with what you think my quoted statement meant.  You might have to go back a few posts to put it in context, as it was in response.  If that's not too much trouble for you.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Boise fan said:

 

Ok, genius.  School me.  Let's hear your deep insights.   Begin with what you think my quoted statement meant.  You might have to go back a few posts to put it in context, as it was in response.  If that's not too much trouble for you.

You didn’t know what you were talking about so who knows what you meant. But since you need so much help here’s the jist of what was said.

In the course of his usual railing against the impending tyranical plutocracy, sactowndog made reference to Jim Crow laws. Ed then listed types businesses that refused to serve blacks under Jim Crow laws, critically missing the key element in the comparison to what the baker is doing and those businesses. Blues then missed the same distinction and goes on to strangely argue that the comparison isn’t apt because skin color is readily apparent and sexual orientation isn’t. You still following?

Then you drop your silly bag of fail into the proceedings. Shall we scratch the surface?

On 12/5/2017 at 11:14 PM, Boise fan said:

Use that logic to describe Jewish people.  Not Hasidic, just every day people.  The Germans didn't think people should do business with them. Or house them.  Or feed them.  And they weren't wearing their "jewishness" on their sleeve.

Prejudice is prejudice.  It's wrong, and it doesn't matter how you try and paint it. 

It’s telling that you think non Hasidic Jews would be able to conceal their religion as a private matter like other aspects of life that “everyday people” do. Either the 20% of Jews that were orthodox in prewar Germany don’t qualify as everyday people, or you think they, unlike their Hasidic contemporaries, would be able to practice their religion with all its observing the sabbath and it’s dietary restrictions and the whole visiting the synagogue multiple times a day thing and nobody would notice. Whatever the case, you’re certain “the Germans” had it out for them and they could somehow figure out they were Jewish even if it wasn’t readily apparent.

By Germans you must be referring to the Nazis in particular, as there were a lot of Germans that didn’t agree with them and didn’t vote for them. Unfortunately for those people the alternatives were a choice between believers in the weak Weimar government that was failing to deal with Great Depression, and the communists; so the Nazis won out.  

The Nazis sure didn’t believe the Jews should be employed, housed, and fed. So they passed laws making it illegal to do things like that. That’s the key in this whole line of responses that nobody grasped. These laws weren’t protecting any individuals right to think a certain way or behave a certain way. The laws were forcing people, under the threat of punishment by the Nazi government, to act racist towards Jewish people. So people went along with it.

And even if those non-Hasidic Jews adhering to their faith somehow escaped detection, the Nazis, being the government, could pretty easily look up public records and find out who is of Jewish descent. Which is what they did. And they pinned that Jewishness to their sleeve, not an unprecedented occurrence for Jews in the history of Germany.

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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1 hour ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

You didn’t know what you were talking about so who knows what you meant. But since you need so much help here’s the jist of what was said.

In the course of his usual railing against the impending tyranical plutocracy, sactowndog made reference to Jim Crow laws. Ed then listed types businesses that refused to serve blacks under Jim Crow laws, critically missing the key element in the comparison to what the baker is doing and those businesses. Blues then missed the same distinction and goes on to strangely argue that the comparison isn’t apt because skin color is readily apparent and sexual orientation isn’t. You still following?

Then you drop your silly bag of fail into the proceedings. Shall we scratch the surface.

It’s telling that you think non Hasidic Jews would be able to conceal their religion as a private matter like other aspects life like “everyday people” do. Either the 20% of Jews that were orthodox in prewar Germany don’t qualify as everyday people, or you think they, unlike their Hasidic contemporaries, would be able to practice their religion with all its observing the sabbath and it’s dietary restrictions and the whole visiting the synagogue multiple times a day thing. Whatever the case, your certain “the Germans” had it out for them and they could somehow figure out they were Jewish even if it wasn’t readily apparent.

By Germans you must be referring to the Nazis in particular, as there were a lot of Germans that didn’t agree with them and didn’t vote for them. Unfortunately for those people the alternatives were a choice between believers in the weak Weimar government that was failing to deal with Great Depression, and the socialists; so the Nazis won out.  

The Nazis sure didn’t believe the Jews should be employed, housed, and fed. So they passed laws making it illegal to do things like that. That’s the key in this whole line of responses that nobody grasped. These laws weren’t protecting any individuals right to think a certain way or behave a certain way. The laws were forcing people, under the threat of punishment by the Nazi government, to act racist towards Jewish people. So people went along with it.

And even if those non-Hasidic Jews adhering to their faith somehow escaped detection, the Nazis, being the government, could pretty easily look up public records and find out who is of Jewish descent. Which is what they did. And they pinned that Jewishness to their sleeve, not an unprecedented occurrence for Jews in the history of Germany.

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Man what a piece! 

I used the term "Germans" to collectively address the people who lived in Germany during that period - "Nazis" were a small group of Germans who had to be members of the National Socialist party and to obtain such a status, would have to submit to and pass an involved background check into their past, their families past, etc.  However, there was a strong support base for Hitler's Nazi Party, not only among card carrying Nazis, but many ordinary Germans who also believed many of the racist phucked up belief set that Hitler and his cronies preached about. Despite your hangup with the term "Nazi",  the largest internal segment in Hitler's political party were the paramilitary branch known as the "SA",  or  "Brownshirts", (hopefully you can guess why they were referred to in that way) until their leadership was internally purged during the "Night of the Long Knives" which occurred for a variety of reasons - consolidation of power, the supremacy of the SS over the SA, to address public criticism of Brownshirt thuggery, and to eliminate the embarrassment that the top members of the SA had a number of homosexuals.

 The majority of Germans - the general population - supported HItler's party, and its policies. A lot of the things Hitler did early on were meant to give the impression that the country was improving economically and politically.  Giving the middle finger salute to reparations and military restrictions as well as creating a better internal infrastructure (highways and rail lines) looked great to the population but really had the intention of aiding the ability to wage war, especially the movement of troops and supplies, in the future conflicts Hitler intended to undertake.  And the economy appeared to be booming even as debt surged.  However it was all IOU's that were kept off the books.  Nice trick, huh?

 BTW Hitler's cronies didn't like being referred to as "Nazi's" as the term was originally derogatory.

Hasidic and other Orhodox Jews were easy prey to the Germans who were prejudiced in prewar Germany because of their religious based dress and grooming beliefs.  Persecution of Jews began before the Nazi Party came to power, but became more acute as the political climate changed to one that was more open about racism (sort of like today in the US), and especially after Hitler began the movement.  Many Jews (non Orthodox) took to avoiding anything that would draw attention to themselves.  This concealment became more intense as the persecution continued until under the now ruling Nazi Party, when directives were issued restricting business, employment and housing opportunities to people of Jewish heritage.  It also made it mandatory for Jews to register with local authorities and made it a crime to knowingly lie about one's heritage or aid a person of Jewish heritage. They also limited the ability for Jewish people to redress grievances with law enforcement and essentially destroyed their ability to live.  Many Jewish people were robbed, beaten and even raped with no consequences. And it wasn't only your hangup of "Nazis" who took advantage.  Many people in areas of business ("regular everyday people" to establish they were not aligned with a specific extreme) took full advantage of this to buy Jewish businesses and belongings for pennies on the dollar. or force them out of business and/or their homes.   Many ordinary Germans took to taking advantage or inflicted their own persecution on Jews. 
It was unprecedented. Neighbors who had once been friendly and inviting were no longer so, and some would invent accusations in order to personally gain, get revenge for an imagined slight, cover their own potential issue with law enforcement, or simply to ingratiate themselves with the powers that be.

Following the beginning of the 2nd World War, the German government directed that Jewish people wear identification badges so that everyone (not just "Nazis") would quickly and easily be able to identify them.  It was meant to be demeaning, reinforce their "inferior" status, and make them quickly identifiable both to Germans, and the locals of occupied areas, who were no longer allowed to conduct business with them, as well as for the authorities to easily identify them and monitor their movements.

That being said, in the context that I brought it up, only someone with an axe to grind would suggest that I wasn't talking about prejudice. It is beyond stupid to think my statement about not wearing their "Jewishness on their sleeve" was meant to ignore during World War 2.  And it had nothing to do with "they could somehow figure out they were Jewish even if it wasn’t readily apparent."  In fact quite the opposite.   

Thanks for being a douche.

 

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Boise fan said:

 

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Man what a piece! 

I used the term "Germans" to collectively address the people who lived in Germany during that period - "Nazis" were a small group of Germans who had to be members of the National Socialist party and to obtain such a status, would have to submit to and pass an involved background check into their past, their families past, etc.  However, there was a strong support base for Hitler's Nazi Party, not only among card carrying Nazis, but many ordinary Germans who also believed many of the racist phucked up belief set that Hitler and his cronies preached about. Despite your hangup with the term "Nazi",  the largest internal segment in Hitler's political party were the paramilitary branch known as the "SA",  or  "Brownshirts", (hopefully you can guess why they were referred to in that way) until their leadership was internally purged during the "Night of the Long Knives" which occurred for a variety of reasons - consolidation of power, the supremacy of the SS over the SA, to address public criticism of Brownshirt thuggery, and to eliminate the embarrassment that the top members of the SA had a number of homosexuals.

 The majority of Germans - the general population - supported HItler's party, and its policies. A lot of the things Hitler did early on were meant to give the impression that the country was improving economically and politically.  Giving the middle finger salute to reparations and military restrictions as well as creating a better internal infrastructure (highways and rail lines) looked great to the population but really had the intention of aiding the ability to wage war, especially the movement of troops and supplies, in the future conflicts Hitler intended to undertake.  And the economy appeared to be booming even as debt surged.  However it was all IOU's that were kept off the books.  Nice trick, huh?

 BTW Hitler's cronies didn't like being referred to as "Nazi's" as the term was originally derogatory.

Hasidic and other Orhodox Jews were easy prey to the Germans who were prejudiced in prewar Germany because of their religious based dress and grooming beliefs.  Persecution of Jews began before the Nazi Party came to power, but became more acute as the political climate changed to one that was more open about racism (sort of like today in the US), and especially after Hitler began the movement.  Many Jew (non Orthodox) took to avoiding anything that would draw attention to themselves.  This concealment became more intense as the persecution continued until under the now ruling Nazi Party, when directives were issued restricting business, employment and housing opportunities to people of Jewish heritage.  It also made it mandatory for Jews to register with local authorities and made it a crime to knowingly lie about one's heritage or aid a person of Jewish heritage. They also limited the ability for Jewish people to redress grievances with law enforcement and essentially destroyed their ability to live.  Many Jewish people were robbed, beaten and even raped with no consequences. And it wasn’t only your hangup of "Nazis" who took advantage.  Many people in areas of business ("regular everyday people" to establish they were not aligned with a specific extreme) took full advantage of this to buy Jewish businesses and belongings for pennies on the dollar. or force them out of business and/or their homes.   Many ordinary Germans took to taking advantage or inflicted their own persecution on Jews. It was unprecedented. Neighbors who had once been friendly and inviting were no longer so, and some would invent accusations in order to personally gain, get revenge for an imagined slight, cover their own potential issue with law enforcement, or simply to ingratiate themselves with the powers that be.

Following the beginning of the 2nd World War, the German government directed that Jewish people wear identification badges so that everyone (not just "Nazis") would quickly and easily be able to identify them.  It was meant to be demeaning, reinforce their "inferior status, and make them quickly identifiae both to Germans, and the locals of occupied areas, who were no longer allowed to conduct business with them, as well as for the authorities to easily identify them and monitor their movements.

That being said, in the context that I brought it up, only someone with an axe to grind would suggest that I wasn’t talking about prejudice. It is beyond stupid to think my statement about not wearing their "Jewishness on their sleeve" was meant to ignore during World War 2.  And it had nothing to do with "they could somehow figure out they were Jewish even if it wasn’t readily apparent."  In fact quite the opposite.   

Thanks for being a douche.

 

 

 

 

Phew, that was close guys! Upon first glance it appeared we were in for a long tirade filled with #BoiseFanJewFacts. But if you squint just right you can see he owned up like he said he would do when he is wrong, and he wasn’t, in fact, actually quintupling down on the stupid.

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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Businesses shouldn't have to do whatever the customer or individual desires but they should not be able to refuse service based on your sex, race, religion sexual orientation, etc in my opinion.  You don't have to make "gay" cakes if you don't offer that service, but you still have to make the cakes you offer to others.  

 

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1 hour ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Phew, that was close guys! Upon first glance it appeared we were in for a long tirade filled with #BoiseFanJewFacts. But if you squint just right you can see he owned up like he said he would do when he is wrong, and he wasn’t, in fact, actually quintupling down on the stupid.

Man you’re an idiot.

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52 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Tuck the lower lip in big guy, your feelers will stop hurting when the people stop laughing at you.

 

It doesn't take much for an idiot to laugh. Usually it's the bizarre shit floating around in their own mind that sets them off.

You are a perfect case in point.

 

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1 hour ago, Boise fan said:

 

It doesn't take much for an idiot to laugh. Usually it's the bizarre shit floating around in their own mind that sets them off.

You are a perfect case in point.

 

Need a tissue?

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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