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OT: At what point will Vegas residents start feeling embarrassed by their reputation?

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37 minutes ago, BestintheWest said:

Embarassed by what? We cater to our clients?

We let the strip embrace the tourist culture and take the city name.

It's hilarious when people correlate the strip and it's neighborhoods as if they're the same culture.

 

Reno went in another direction because it had to. It can't replicate what we have.

 

You mean to tell me that in the storied history of Vegas, no one in the entire time frame has been embarrassed by the slew of escort and strip club ads coupled with the trademark flicking of the escort cards up and down the strip? As renoskier pointed out, at one time they tried to "adjust" their appeal to be wholesome for families.

Reno should only try to replicate Vegas ever so slightly with the remaining casinos. Northern NV shouldn't be Vegas of the north, because we will ultimately cannibalize the same target market. Instead, the state can capitalize on the recent push industrial investment coupled with the incredible alpine adventures up north available to make it so a trip to either portion of the state won't be too similar.

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35 minutes ago, toonkee said:

Reno paid "news outlets" to writes fluff stories about it. Show me where the LVCA did this.

It didn’t pay “news outlets”... it paid a PR firm. (Probably ABBY Agency without looking.) You honestly want to argue that Vegas doesn’t do this? Hell, I just read the Nevada Alum Mag, Silver and Blue in which the person who created the “What happens here..” campaign was honored. And he talked about the “image” his agency is paid to portray of Vegas among other entities there. (He too is a Nevada grad btw.)

The only difference is that the EDAWN and Mike Kazmierski are building an image so that companies continue to relocate here, whereas Vegas perpetuates an image to tourists. 

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5 minutes ago, BackthePack said:

You mean to tell me that in the storied history of Vegas, no one in the entire time frame has been embarrassed by the slew of escort and strip club ads coupled with the trademark flicking of the escort cards up and down the strip? As renoskier pointed out, at one time they tried to "adjust" their appeal to be wholesome for families.

Reno should only try to replicate Vegas ever so slightly with the remaining casinos. Northern NV shouldn't be Vegas of the north, because we will ultimately cannibalize the same target market. Instead, the state can capitalize on the recent push industrial investment coupled with the incredible alpine adventures up north available to make it so a trip to either portion of the state won't be too similar.

There will be 4 “casinos” in Reno in 15 years. Carano Hut, Nugget, Peppermill, Atlantis. Sands bites the dust in a matter of months IMO. There will also be a handful of “local” casinos like the one Station Casinos wants to build by the convention center. Casino industry is dead here. 

My bet is that CalNev and Harrahs are gone in 5-8 years. 

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Can't really answer this question without getting a little political. There is nothing to be embarrassed about and a lot to be proud about. Las Vegas has always been a city that cares more about individualism and a greater aversion to morality regulation than most other places in the United States and comparatively permissive legal systems have reflected that. Obviously, every decade things get a bit more cookie cutter and/or regulated and what have you. But Vegas is still distinguished by its unique political history which is still relevant today, as far as I'm concerned. 

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38 minutes ago, NevadaFan said:

It didn’t pay “news outlets”... it paid a PR firm. (Probably ABBY Agency without looking.) You honestly want to argue that Vegas doesn’t do this? Hell, I just read the Nevada Alum Mag, Silver and Blue in which the person who created the “What happens here..” campaign was honored. And he talked about the “image” his agency is paid to portray of Vegas among other entities there. (He too is a Nevada grad btw.)

The only difference is that the EDAWN and Mike Kazmierski are building an image so that companies continue to relocate here, whereas Vegas perpetuates an image to tourists. 

Ok Reno paid a PR firm which had "news outlets" write stories about Reno being the next silicon valley. 

Do you not see a difference between running tv commercials and paying to have promotional written disguised as honest journalism? It's lame and bush league. Literally fake news.

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50 minutes ago, NOTGREATBOB! said:

Can't really answer this question without getting a little political. There is nothing to be embarrassed about and a lot to be proud about. Las Vegas has always been a city that cares more about individualism and a greater aversion to morality regulation than most other places in the United States and comparatively permissive legal systems have reflected that. Obviously, every decade things get a bit more cookie cutter and/or regulated and what have you. But Vegas is still distinguished by its unique political history which is still relevant today, as far as I'm concerned. 

Actually Nevada as a whole was that way..........first to legalize gambling and prostitution and 24 hour bar time, then quickie divorces. But that pretty much was the only economic driver for Nevada from 1864 to 1964, and none of that was driven by Las Vegas...........VEgas just had the fortune to rise after Reno & the rest of that state and fortunately had a straight stretch of highway just outside of the LV city limits (which is still outside the LV city limits) that would be a blank canvass that made LV different from Reno & every other burg in NV that had a casino 

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13 minutes ago, toonkee said:

Ok Reno paid a PR firm which had "news outlets" write stories about Reno being the next silicon valley. 

Do you not see a difference between running tv commercials and paying to have promotional written disguised as honest journalism? It's lame and bush league. Literally fake news.

Dude, you have no understanding of how PR agencies work! The ABBY Agency WROTE the copy. It’s paid advertising to look like news articles strategically placed to pique the interest of business to relocate. 

Call it what you want but I’m willing to bet that Vegas spends $100s of millions doing this. There’s a reason Vegas is a dichotomy. 

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34 minutes ago, toonkee said:

Ok Reno paid a PR firm which had "news outlets" write stories about Reno being the next silicon valley. 

Do you not see a difference between running tv commercials and paying to have promotional written disguised as honest journalism? It's lame and bush league. Literally fake news.

Yes, advertising is literally fake news. So are infomercials. 

How, uh, how old are you?

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1 hour ago, NevadaFan said:

There will be 4 “casinos” in Reno in 15 years. Carano Hut, Nugget, Peppermill, Atlantis. Sands bites the dust in a matter of months IMO. There will also be a handful of “local” casinos like the one Station Casinos wants to build by the convention center. Casino industry is dead here. 

My bet is that CalNev and Harrahs are gone in 5-8 years. 

What happened to the Silver Legacy?

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1 hour ago, BackthePack said:

You mean to tell me that in the storied history of Vegas, no one in the entire time frame has been embarrassed by the slew of escort and strip club ads coupled with the trademark flicking of the escort cards up and down the strip?

Why should we be?

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16 minutes ago, SharkTanked said:

Why should we be?

Because I was born in the Luxor. My mother was an escort and my dad a mob hitman. I went to blackjack highscool and frequently collected said porn cards when I took out the trash really quick or walked my Rottweiler. Instead of normal Reno kids with lemonade stands. I sold water on the strip. 

 

Oh wait.  That's not real life.

The ignorance on the separation of Las Vegas the strip and Las Vegas the community is so far out there its hard to take these people serious.

 

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22 minutes ago, SharkTanked said:

Why should we be?

Jesus Christ, the Vegas mob is out in full force with stupidity. Read his question and then read my answer in context to his question. At one point in the 80's, the Vegas populace was embarrassed enough of the image of Vegas that they wanted to transform it to be more family friendly. It failed and thankfully they haven't looked back. 

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46 minutes ago, BackthePack said:

Jesus Christ, the Vegas mob is out in full force with stupidity. Read his question and then read my answer in context to his question. At one point in the 80's, the Vegas populace was embarrassed enough of the image of Vegas that they wanted to transform it to be more family friendly. It failed and thankfully they haven't looked back. 

Wrong. It wasn't because people were embarrassed by our reputation. It was because the casinos (namely MGM-Mirage at the time) thought they would make more money by going family friendly. And they made a half-assed attempt at it too. It was a bad business decision.

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7 minutes ago, BackthePack said:

Jesus Christ, the Vegas mob is out in full force with stupidity. Read his question and then read my answer in context to his question. At one point in the 80's, the Vegas populace was embarrassed enough of the image of Vegas that they wanted to transform it to be more family friendly. It failed and thankfully they haven't looked back. 

What's stupid is this thread.

And anyone who equates anything the strip does and comparing it with the community.

All is well, For Rice is gone.                  

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8 minutes ago, BestintheWest said:

What's stupid is this thread.

And anyone who equates anything the strip does and comparing it with the community.

Most of my extended family lives in Vegas and has since before late 80's boom. They all avoid the Strip but recognize it drives the economy - and they are not alone as you say. It's fair to say most residents rarely venture down LV Blvd unless people are in from out of town. I agree the Strip doesn't define the community but I asked a honest question. Will it ever be too much for the citizens of Las Vegas? I feel like you rattled off a few LVCA talking points but ignored the bigger discussion I was trying to start.

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1 hour ago, UNLV2001 said:

Actually Nevada as a whole was that way..........first to legalize gambling and prostitution and 24 hour bar time, then quickie divorces. But that pretty much was the only economic driver for Nevada from 1864 to 1964, and none of that was driven by Las Vegas...........VEgas just had the fortune to rise after Reno & the rest of that state and fortunately had a straight stretch of highway just outside of the LV city limits (which is still outside the LV city limits) that would be a blank canvass that made LV different from Reno & every other burg in NV that had a casino 

And relatively easy access to LA.

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19 minutes ago, battle.borne said:

Most of my extended family lives in Vegas and has since before late 80's boom. They all avoid the Strip but recognize it drives the economy - and they are not alone as you say. It's fair to say most residents rarely venture down LV Blvd unless people are in from out of town. I agree the Strip doesn't define the community but I asked a honest question. Will it ever be too much for the citizens of Las Vegas? I feel like you rattled off a few LVCA talking points but ignored the bigger discussion I was trying to start.

Not for me. I've lived here for over 40 years and I have no issues with what goes down on the Strip as long as police presence is such that it is still a safe place and laws are enforced. The Strip doesn't define us as a community and never will. I honestly couldn't give two shits what some blog chooses to rank us on some ill-contrived list. It's just click bait and doesn't impact how I feel about my home. Vegas is home to an awesome community, which was shown in the response post-Oct 1. We get a bad rap for a place full of new residents, but that's just the opinion of people who don't live here. I know a ton of families who are multi-generational Vegans, and with things like the Smith Center and the Arts District growing (along with some cool museums) and Pro Sports, Vegas is evolving into a more mature community.

The only thing that will eventually drive me from Vegas is the weather. I will be getting a summer home in a more hospitable climate, but I will be back every year ounce the roundballs start dribbling on Jerry Tarkanian Court. You can't beat Vegas in the Winter and Spring.

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7 minutes ago, SharkTanked said:

Wrong. It wasn't because people were embarrassed by our reputation. It was because they thought they would make more money by going family friendly. And they made a half-assessed attempt at it too. It was a bad business decision.

Chicken and the egg. They thought they would make more money by going family friendly, which in turn lead to the limiting of embarrassing key points to a family friendly target market that they happily advertised before (non-stop party, random hook ups, anyone can get laid, blow all your cash with no regrets). My point is the many key points being plastered everywhere today by LVCVA was at one point considered embarrassing and non-conducive to the image they were trying to portray to potential visitors.

 

6 minutes ago, BestintheWest said:

What's stupid is this thread.

And anyone who equates anything the strip does and comparing it with the community.

Hey New York, make sure you omit any single thing that Times Square offers when referring to New York City. Louisiana, you have to do the same with Bourbon Street. I'm looking at you Miami with South Beach.

Yes, there is a big urban landscape full of upstanding Nevada citizens outside the Strip, but the Strip is the major piece of what Las Vegas represents. Own it.

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