Is my company messed up?

[ph90702]

5 minutes ago, mugtang said:

You work in Nevada.  You can be fired for any reason. We are a right to work State. 

I'm not arguing that.  What I'm arguing is that they can't tell me they may fire me and then wait until it's convenient to do so.

[mugtang]

2 minutes ago, ph90702 said:

I'm not arguing that.  What I'm arguing is that they can't tell me they may fire me and then wait until it's convenient to do so.

Yes they can 

[ph90702]

Just now, mugtang said:

Yes they can 

I will be calling an attorney regardless.  I am due a pension in 11 months, so that adds another layer to my case.

[mugtang]

Just now, ph90702 said:

I will be calling an attorney regardless.  I am due a pension in 11 months, so that adds another layer to my case.

Not if they fire you, yoi aren't. 

[mugtang]

And how much of a pension are talking about? If it's a couple grand cut your losses and move on. 

[sactowndog]

1 hour ago, ph90702 said:

 I specifically stated that I work for a nonprofit for a reason. It doesn't matter how well we treat them. They have to pay money to watch regardless of whether they like it or not. That probably comes off as harsh, but that's the reality of the situation.  It is a non-business and involuntary relationship.

I am guessing this is a troll.   But it not non-profit has nothing to do with how you treat your customers.    

[ph90702]

2 minutes ago, mugtang said:

Not if they fire you, yoi aren't. 

I'm still calling an attorney to see what I can do with my situation.  Also, my coworker and I are through.  I will never trust her again.  She will be applauded for causing disharmony and being a snitch.  What a great culture at my company.

[ph90702]

Just now, sactowndog said:

I am guessing this is a troll.   But it not non-profit has nothing to do with how you treat your customers.    

They're not customers.  It's not a business.

[renoskier]

51 minutes ago, ph90702 said:

I'm going to be calling an attorney regarding the way they're handling my situation.  I'm no lawyer, but I don't think they're allowed to tell me they may fire me and then leave me with a black cloud hanging over my head for at least a week.

My boss said that a decision probably won't be reached until after she gets back from vacation on the 21st.  She here today but off next week.

Oh sure,  that will help. 

[Slapdad]

1 hour ago, ph90702 said:

I work for a non-profit trust fund that provides benefits for union employees.  It is funded by employers who employ these employees.  I am an auditor and make sure that the employers are paying us correctly.  My long story is below.

My coworker and I are working on different audits of different casino properties, but they are owned by the same multinational casino brand.  Therefore, we are utilizing the same employer contacts to complete our audits.

Back in June, I went to complete an audit procedure.  It started at 8:30, and the employer's office didn't open until 9 am.  I called my employer contacts, and they didn't pick up the phone.  I had to wait until 9 am for the office to open.  I told the receptionist that I had an 8:30 am meeting.  She stated that she would go check.  I can't remember what she said, but I went to her several times for updates.  Obviously, I wasn't happy because I got no prior notification that they were going to be late.  I got another individual involved who was not associated with my audit.  After he got involved, I finally met with my employer contacts.  They were only about 75 minutes late.

This Tuesday, my coworker went to perform an audit procedure with the same people I met with back in June.  I am convinced that they complained about me to her and that she went and told my boss.  The reason I say this is because I was scheduled to see these people again on Wednesday.  However, my boss said that she was going for me.

Yesterday, I asked her what was going on.  She stated that I was under investigation regarding my conduct towards that employer and those employer contacts.  She did not go into details, but I know her boss is aware, and I believe that HR is involved.  My boss and her boss said that I'm just supposed to sit there if an employer contact is late, put on a smiley face, and do nothing about it.  That is antithetical to how I am, as I am about punctuality.  I asked how she found out about the incident back in June, and she stated that she isn't at liberty to say.  I know that my coworker ratted me out because the incident happened over a month ago, and it only came to light after she went out and saw these people.  She could have just kept her mouth shut because there's no way that they told her I was not welcome back to see them.  They sent me a confirmation and directions on how to get to the HR office at the property I was auditing after my coworker finished seeing them.

I asked my boss point blank if I'm getting fired, and she stated that she doesnt know.  She stated that a decision may be reached tomorrow.  If it's not, then it won't be reached until the 21st at the least, which is when she gets back from vacation.

How f*cked up is my company that they would consider firing me for complaining to a receptionist about my contacts being late and giving me no prior warning?  Do the employer contacts have some balls for having the audacity to be angry at me because I was mad at them being late and giving me no notification?  How f*cked up is my coworker for ratting me out to my boss when she didn't have to or need to?

A Masters in accounting and a GED in common sense. I lived in the consulting world for a number of years, which is not dissimilar from the auditor world in that you're routinely at client's offices and, at times, waiting for them. People are late and people forget. Just because you're a non-profit and the fact that they are in a position that they have to use/pay your company does not mean that you abandon all professionalism. What do you have to gain by doing that? You will, at times be late yourself, and I highly doubt you would appreciate being treated in kind. The comment about your dad owning a business and not taking any shit is very telling. Some people work for themselves because they have a great idea or service and some people work for themselves because they can't work for other people. I can't be sure which it was in his case, but from where I'm standing, it sounds like the apple didn't fall far from the tree. You don't have to let people walk all over you, but owning a business shouldn't give you carte blanche to run roughshod over people either. Chill out and act like a professional. Even if you change courses and go into nutrition, you'll have to maintain some modicum of professionalism. 

[happycamper]

9 minutes ago, ph90702 said:

I'm not arguing that.  What I'm arguing is that they can't tell me they may fire me and then wait until it's convenient to do so.

Yes, they can. In fact, by hiring you they did exactly that. 

[Slapdad]

Just now, ph90702 said:

They're not customers.  It's not a business.

Everybody that you deal with at work is a customer. If you're in accounting, the CEO, HR, and IT are your customers. The fact that this organization is forced to deal with your non-profit doesn't change that fact. 

 

By the way, this is just another illustration of the f'ed up union structure. Unions are outdated and are now an anchor. Get rid of them. 

[renoskier]

4 minutes ago, ph90702 said:

They're not customers.  It's not a business.

Who was paying for your time.?

[sactowndog]

20 minutes ago, Joe from WY said:

No. They can do that. You're more than likely an at-will employee, meaning, they could fire you tomorrow if they wanted to. Keeping you hanging is totally within their boundaries. 

It sounds like they aren't keeping you hanging for the hell of it.   They are going through a due diligence process to make sure they have their I's dotted and T's crossed.   Which they should.  They are also probably making sure they have all the facts before talking with you.    Standard process.   You seem to be rather impatient.

[happycamper]

1 minute ago, ph90702 said:

I'm still calling an attorney to see what I can do with my situation.  Also, my coworker and I are through.  I will never trust her again.  She will be applauded for causing disharmony and being a snitch.  What a great culture at my company.

 

1 minute ago, ph90702 said:

They're not customers.  It's not a business.

What you can do is call up that receptionist and apologize for your behavior. Say "I realize I acted unprofessionally and inappropriately. I should have been respectful and courteous and I was not. That was a mistake and it will not happen again." Be a bit more flowery. Don't blame it on BS lik e"oh my dog died" or whatever. Just say it was a bad day and the behavior was your fault. Don't mention it to anyone else. Then, go to your mentor or a boss or someone higher up than you that you respect, ideally someone that is not involved in a decision to fire you. Tell them that you realize that you have difficulty interacting professionally with clients and ask for advice and hopefully some sort of training. It might have to be training outside of work on your own dime. Ask for the kind of training where you playact scenarios and you are called to react to the "client". Be prepared to have brutal feedback if the training is useful at all. 

You are there, acting as a representative for your employer. Everyone you talk to is a big fish, the kind of client that wants something done now and pays 3x the going rate to have it done. That is how you treat them. Period. 

Just now, Slapdad said:

A Masters in accounting and a GED in common sense. I lived in the consulting world for a number of years, which is not dissimilar from the auditor world in that you're routinely at client's offices and, at times, waiting for them. People are late and people forget. Just because you're a non-profit and the fact that they are in a position that they have to use/pay your company does not mean that you abandon all professionalism. What do you have to gain by doing that? You will, at times be late yourself, and I highly doubt you would appreciate being treated in kind. The comment about your dad owning a business and not taking any shit is very telling. Some people work for themselves because they have a great idea or service and some people work for themselves because they can't work for other people. I can't be sure which it was in his case, but from where I'm standing, it sounds like the apple didn't fall far from the tree. You don't have to let people walk all over you, but owning a business shouldn't give you carte blanche to run roughshod over people either. Chill out and act like a professional. Even if you change courses and go into nutrition, you'll have to maintain some modicum of professionalism. 

hahahahhahahaha a GED in common sense. That's pretty generous

[sactowndog]

7 minutes ago, ph90702 said:

They're not customers.  It's not a business.

PH if this is real and not an excellent troll take some advice from everyone on the board and modify your thinking.    If only because you will be a happier person if you seek to understand before jumping to conclusions and cut people a little slack now and then.   It is not just good for business it is good for life.

[mugtang]

23 minutes ago, ph90702 said:

I'm not arguing that.  What I'm arguing is that they can't tell me they may fire me and then wait until it's convenient to do so.

Yes they can.  What's the difference between that and you giving notice?  If I was you I would be updating my resume.  

[pokebball]

28 minutes ago, ph90702 said:

I'm still calling an attorney to see what I can do with my situation.  Also, my coworker and I are through.  I will never trust her again.  She will be applauded for causing disharmony and being a snitch.  What a great culture at my company.

Perhaps you're the one that caused it.  And now your willingness to find fault in your coworker?  You see it as her causing disharmony with you.  Your employer sees it as her saving a relationship with a customer.  Empathy brotha.  See it from everyone's perspective.  That's valuable to you.

[East Coast Aztec]

When the meeting partners are late, you hit on the receptionist.  Everyone in business knows this.

 

 

[Jack Bauer]

3 minutes ago, East Coast Aztec said:

When the meeting partners are late, you hit on the receptionist.  Everyone in business knows this.