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18 minutes ago, nvspuds said:

I don't see any Pack coaches following or being followed on Clarke's twitter

Don't you ruin his craziness with facts!!! How dare you!!! 

While I don't see any Pack coaches following him, I do see a TCU coach. Slap yourself in the face with that!

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38 minutes ago, FormerFrog said:

Its the age old question. Do you care how your conference mates do as long as you're winning? Many dont.

I'd argue that individual success at the expense of your mates is the only real way to succeed here.

That "Survival of the fittest" mentality is about 1 thing. Getting the conference autobid, by hook or by crook.

should it be that way? Is it wrong for Nevada to pursue SJSUs best player before he leaves campus? Was it wrong for Bob Kustra to demand the biggest slice of revenue pie, at the expense of the struggling teams like SJSU (who are getting hit from all directions).

I say no. I say the writing is on the wall and these admins know that by pushing down their mates they can forward their individual goals.

But will that MWC mentality help get a bigger TV deal?

To that I also say no. The brand has simply eroded too much.

The MWC brass knows they are beyond that point. They hope by promoting a hunger games competition they can perhaps put a strong representative in the NCAA pool.

Discuss.

It's both

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If the 2009 WAC had "won" the split, I'm pretty sure the end result would have been they absorbed the whole MWC anyway.  Maybe Wyoming becomes the next Idaho and gets left out, but I doubt it.

So we would just be called the WAC, we would have almost the exact same membership, plus Idaho and New Mexico State and BYU and Hawaii basketball.

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“Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.”

-Richard Feynman

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3 hours ago, FormerFrog said:

LOL. I don't know what he was thinking... The AAC was the #4 baseball conference (AND ADDS a tradition rich Wichita State team, with gorgeous stadium)

Mark my words, Tulane will be better in football and basketball than most of the MWC in short order..

The Wave are already out recruiting the entire MWC in football.

 

He was obviously thinking Big West > American, at least for baseball.

Reply back when one AAC team reaches the College World Series.  

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Cougars_baseball
College World Series runner-up
1967

College World Series appearances
1953, 1967

NCAA regional champions
1953, 1967, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2014

NCAA Tournament appearances
1951, 1953, 1958, 1960, 1966, 1967, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1990, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2008, 2014, 2015, 2017

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulane_Green_Wave_baseball
College World Series appearances
2001, 2005

NCAA regional champions
2001, 2004, 2005

NCAA Tournament appearances
1979, 1982, 1983, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1992, 1994, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2015, 2016

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Carolina_Pirates_baseball
NCAA Tournament champions
NAIA: 1961
NCAA Tournament appearances
1964, 1966, 1968, 1970, 1974, 1977, 1980, 1982, 1984, 1987, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2016
 

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25 minutes ago, since1670 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Cougars_baseball
College World Series runner-up
1967

College World Series appearances
1953, 1967

NCAA regional champions
1953, 1967, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2014

NCAA Tournament appearances
1951, 1953, 1958, 1960, 1966, 1967, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1990, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2008, 2014, 2015, 2017

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulane_Green_Wave_baseball
College World Series appearances
2001, 2005

NCAA regional champions
2001, 2004, 2005

NCAA Tournament appearances
1979, 1982, 1983, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1992, 1994, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2015, 2016

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Carolina_Pirates_baseball
NCAA Tournament champions
NAIA: 1961
NCAA Tournament appearances
1964, 1966, 1968, 1970, 1974, 1977, 1980, 1982, 1984, 1987, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2016
 

IOW, no school as a member of the AAC has made the CWS...

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On 8/20/2017 at 4:53 PM, FormerFrog said:

I think an argument can be made that the 2009 WAC was on par or better than the current MWC (which at 12 is much too large for its revenue stream)

The 2009 WAC consisted of 9 members: Boise State, Fresno State, Hawai'i, Idaho, Louisiana Tech, Nevada, New Mexico State, San Jose State, and Utah State, with equal revenue distribution.

Boise State won the 2009 WAC title going 13–0, 8–0 in conference and were invited to play in the Fiesta Bowl, in which they defeated previously unbeaten TCU. Nevada, Fresno State, and Idaho also played in bowl games, the Hawaiʻi Bowl, New Mexico Bowl, and Humanitarian Bowl, respectively. Nevada lost to SMU and Fresno State lost to Wyoming, while Idaho beat Bowling Green.

That, my friends, is called efficiency. Let's also remember that the WAC had Chris Peterson leading its most decorated program.

Considering the current state of Idaho football, I would say they would be among the upper tier of the current WAC (if it still had all its former members). Louisiana Tech today is a solid program under Skip Holtz.

When you compare that with the awful OOC record of the current MWC (losing to Sunbelt and CUSA type programs OOC), it looks very good. Revenue is split fewer ways and it had more exciting football.

The current MWC made the same mistake the current CUSA did. It blew up too big. Compound the added fat with the disproportionate revenue distribution and its no wonder that the MWC teams struggle so bad.

 

 

Ask that question at the end of the season, silly troll.

2010 was a much better season for the WAC. You had Boise finish #9, Nevada #11 and Hawaii getting votes. Hawaii had just dropped out, so we almost finished with 3 ranked teams. We were like 6" from going 14-0 and finishing #6 to #8. That would've been two top 10 teams for the WAC.

2010 for the MWC, TCU #2 and SDSU & AF getting votes. 

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