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1 minute ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

Check back and you'll see the other Cowboy didn't ask a question, he made a statement. A statement which was totally devoid of factual support. Irony's a bitch.

This entire thread is devoid of factual support. 

It's all speculation. 

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7 minutes ago, Aslowhiteguy said:

OU isn't even close to being an AAU school.  They aren't going to the BIG. 

The BIG has no reason to expand and probably regrets some of the adds they made last time. 

 

 

AAU membership is not quite as required for B1G membership as many are led to believe.  OU could be said to be a little higher up academically than Utah and it's a good bet that Utah will eventually get AAU membership at some point.

The B1G will probably add North Carolina and Virginia way down the road but the last expansion helped them get that nice big media contract.  All the B1G has to do is add inventory and with OU's history in football and KU in basketball, it's a no brainer.  OU has some research fields that is very worthy of being added to the CIC especially weather related fields.

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8 minutes ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

Check back and you'll see the other Cowboy didn't ask a question, he made a statement. A statement which was totally devoid of factual support. Irony's a bitch.

Well, when the OP is totally devoid of factual support, all we have is irony!

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26 minutes ago, BackthePack said:

So just because a SD university isn't in the PAC, somehow that means SD isn't already under the P5 control? UCLA and USC own the entire Southern CA market, and they will do everything they can to make sure they don't have to feed another mouth in the PAC in their hood. It's either Big 12 or status quo for you guys unfortunately. The wildcard for any west coast expansion in the PAC could possibly be UNLV, but they would have to really elevate both their academics and sports tremendously. And I hold no delusions of grandeur about Nevada, we will never make P5 status.

SD is under P5 control but it's not under PAC control and that's the problem.  USC and UCLA are behind SDSU, SEC and B1G in ratings in San Diego

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23 minutes ago, Jalapeno said:

Well, CO & Utah are exploding in population and are at least 8 million residents with 10 million not far off.  That CU & Utah pair has more people than every other Pac-12 rivalry pair save for the LA schools.

Both Bay Area and Washington State are just over 7 million.

Nice try.

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11 minutes ago, Aslowhiteguy said:

OU isn't even close to being an AAU school.  They aren't going to the BIG. 

The BIG has no reason to expand and probably regrets some of the adds they made last time. 

 

 

This is about as clueless a take as there is on this topic.

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5 minutes ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

Check back and you'll see the other Cowboy didn't ask a question, he made a statement. A statement which was totally devoid of factual support. Irony's a bitch.

Oh gee, Alex, sorry. He forgot to phrase his statement in the form of a question. Point still stands; your statement didn't make any sense and said so. You didn't try to explain it further, you just attacked him. 

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32 minutes ago, Jalapeno said:

 

Suppose OU and KU leave for the B1G while UT leaves for football independence and the ACC, this is going to impact the MWC and AAC.  Depending on the money that is offered to the Big 12 leftovers and the AAC, I can see WVU moving to the AAC or even SEC.

Just look at the remaining Big 12 members:

Kansas State

Iowa State

Oklahoma State

TCU

Baylor

Texas Tech

Given the fact that the Big 12 still has a heavy presence in the Dallas Metroplex, there's no way the Big 12 dissolves.  Instead, the Big 12 raids both the MWC and AAC.  NIU from the MAC is a possibility.

Houston is going to the first to be added.  That would mean the Big 12 has DFW & Houston which is two of the top five media markets in the country.

The new Big 12 South would be like this:

Baylor

Houston

Oklahoma State 

TCU

Texas Tech

 

That leaves Kansas State and Iowa State.

 

New Big 12 North:

ISU

KSU

Colorado State

Wyoming

Air Force or UNM

 

Big 12 name goes away and gets rebranded.  This is going to be a G5 conference that will battle it out with the AAC for G5 superiority.  If the Big 12 adds both AFA & UNM, that opens up a slot for Tulane, SMU, or Memphis.

MWC adds New Mexico State.

 

KSU & ISU might decide to split off and form a new north central conference and will take CSU, Wyoming, AFA with them along with Northern Illinois.  Some FCS schools will be called up.   Oklahoma State is too interwined with Dallas so they will stay with the TExas schools.

Whatever credibility you may otherwise have had went totally down the drain with that one my man.

You might also check NIU's athletics budget and football attendance before mentioning them as a possibility. Much more likely is NIU becomes an AAC backfiller.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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1 minute ago, retrofade said:

The B1G isn't taking any schools who aren't AAU. 

They did take Nebraska, 

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4 minutes ago, k5james said:

This is about as clueless a take as there is on this topic.

Yeah, I'm the clueless one here, speculating on all sorts of pie-in-the-sky, mega conferences, the PAC is becoming "desperate," and quality of play doesn't really matter.:wacko:

 

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Just now, 1IvyDog said:

They did take Nebraska, 

Nebraska was AAU when they joined... they lost the accreditation about a year later. The other B1G schools are working to try and get them back in now. 

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48 minutes ago, Jalapeno said:

 

Suppose OU and KU leave for the B1G while UT leaves for football independence and the ACC, this is going to impact the MWC and AAC.  Depending on the money that is offered to the Big 12 leftovers and the AAC, I can see WVU moving to the AAC or even SEC.

Just look at the remaining Big 12 members:

Kansas State

Iowa State

Oklahoma State

TCU

Baylor

Texas Tech

Given the fact that the Big 12 still has a heavy presence in the Dallas Metroplex, there's no way the Big 12 dissolves.  Instead, the Big 12 raids both the MWC and AAC.  NIU from the MAC is a possibility.

Houston is going to the first to be added.  That would mean the Big 12 has DFW & Houston which is two of the top five media markets in the country.

The new Big 12 South would be like this:

Baylor

Houston

Oklahoma State 

TCU

Texas Tech

 

That leaves Kansas State and Iowa State.

 

New Big 12 North:

ISU

KSU

Colorado State

Wyoming

Air Force or UNM

 

Big 12 name goes away and gets rebranded.  This is going to be a G5 conference that will battle it out with the AAC for G5 superiority.  If the Big 12 adds both AFA & UNM, that opens up a slot for Tulane, SMU, or Memphis.

MWC adds New Mexico State.

 

KSU & ISU might decide to split off and form a new north central conference and will take CSU, Wyoming, AFA with them along with Northern Illinois.  Some FCS schools will be called up.   Oklahoma State is too interwined with Dallas so they will stay with the TExas schools.

The smartest thing the remaining Big XII members could do 'if' 2-4 teams leave the conference is to stick together, grab the best from the rest and pray like hell it's enough to hold onto 'Power' status.  We like to make fun of the likes of the Big XII lesser teams but the truth is as a group they have better facilities, fanbases and ties with other P5 schools than any G5 programs.  It's laughable to say that ISU and KSU would voluntarily split off from the remaining Big XII TX schools to form a conference with WY, CSU, AFA, NM and a bunch of FCS schools.  As a core group the Big XII have nots are still stronger than any G5 conference core group.  They will invite whomever they decide to and build the best conference they can and when the dust settles it will be either the best of the G5 or worst of the P5.

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True, but they new they were going to lose it before they offered.

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- Pat Hill

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32 minutes ago, k5james said:

SD is under P5 control but it's not under PAC control and that's the problem.  USC and UCLA are behind SDSU, SEC and B1G in ratings in San Diego

When people across the nation think PAC, they think CA. The PAC owns CA. Your location is not a big enough net benefit when they already own the state. I could see the PAC entertaining UNLV, UNM, and Hawaii. New states they don't already have a school in, but still maintaining their west coast footprint. 

The P5 jump for SDSU is if the Big 12 decides to look west for expansion. The problem is that the the Big 12 needs to decide its identity. Does it want to be the P5 conference that scales the length of the USA, or do they stick with a more regional approach and keep it east of the Rockies to not make viewing difficult on east coast TV viewers.

 

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7 minutes ago, 307dude said:

Oh gee, Alex, sorry. He forgot to phrase his statement in the form of a question. Point still stands; your statement didn't make any sense and said so. You didn't try to explain it further, you just attacked him. 

No explanation was necessary to anyone with a 3-digit IQ. Since you guys apparently lack that, I'll give you the elementary school version.

1. $$ considerations will inevitably increase the CFP to 8 teams.

2. $$ considerations will also inevitably increase the size of the SEC, B1G and ACC to 16 members, absolutely none of which have pooh-poohed the idea like the Pac. (The B12 is too much of a question mark to even know whether it will still be considered a power conference by then; I don't think it will be.)

3. The SEC, B1G and ACC will lobby for having their champion automatically get one of the 8 playoff slots but they aren't going to allow the Pac to have that same guarantee if it contains 4 less schools than they have.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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6 minutes ago, NorthWestCowboy said:

The smartest thing the remaining Big XII members could do 'if' 2-4 teams leave the conference is to stick together, grab the best from the rest and pray like hell it's enough to hold onto 'Power' status.  We like to make fun of the likes of the Big XII lesser teams but the truth is as a group they have better facilities, fanbases and ties with other P5 schools than any G5 programs.  It's laughable to say that ISU and KSU would voluntarily split off from the remaining Big XII TX schools to form a conference with WY, CSU, AFA, NM and a bunch of FCS schools.  As a core group the Big XII have nots are still stronger than any G5 conference core group.  They will invite whomever they decide to and build the best conference they can and when the dust settles it will be either the best of the G5 or worst of the P5.

What you said. Or to put it another way, it's probable that the B12 will morph into the next Big East and similarly try like hell to keep its "BCS"/"power" status. Whether it can or can't will depend mainly on whether it learns from the the BE's mistake of overemphasizing basketball to the detriment of football and the extent to which the REAL power conferences are content to limit their expansion to just 16 schools or whether they decide to raid the "new" Big 12. Seems to me that if the nB12 doesn't include UT, OU and Kansas that there won't be all that much let to be stolen. WVU maybe but that's about it.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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