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Got a 30 percent premium increase on health insurance.

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45 minutes ago, easybronc said:

The AMA was given monopoly power by the govt and they use it to keep their wages high.  U.S. doctors are the highest paid in the world and that is one reason why healthcare costs are so high.  

Milton Friedman 

 

They have no monopoly power that is ridiculous.

If they did they would certainly get paid what they are worth instead of the peanuts they get now.

 

If that had any effect then other countries and Nevada would be paying their doctors less and have more of them.  Anyone can get licensed in Nevada and we have the highest doctor health care cost in the country.

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2 hours ago, sactowndog said:

You had omitted significantly above average net margins as a reason for costs.  Surprising for a highly inelastic market with few checks on pricing power.

You want to create an argument where it doesn't exist....there was no deliberate omission on my part.  

Keep firing away at windmills Don Quixote.  I don't write fcking dissertations on a message board so pardon me if some of my thoughts are incomplete.

Peace to you.

Nothing to really say here.....except GO MWC!!

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1 hour ago, bluerules009 said:

$50K like I already posted moron.

Bullshit

50k is not a plan and the only Bull shit are the constant assertions you make with no facts.  I already posted in a previous thread the study that showed R&D expenses had no correlation to top line revenue and net profit amounts.  It was driven by pure pricing power.  

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22 minutes ago, Chile_Ute said:

You want to create an argument where it doesn't exist....there was no deliberate omission on my part.  

Keep firing away at windmills Don Quixote.  I don't write fcking dissertations on a message board so pardon me if some of my thoughts are incomplete.

Peace to you.

I'm not firing away at all. If we are aligned on the facts no problem.  You asked why I had mentioned it and I responded to your post.  If you prefer i just ignore your question that is fine too.

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5 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

I'm not firing away at all. If we are aligned on the facts no problem.  You asked why I had mentioned it and I responded to your post.  If you prefer i just ignore your question that is fine too.

I'll go back and read through it...somewhere I must have misinterpreted.

Nothing to really say here.....except GO MWC!!

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17 hours ago, sactowndog said:

Drug costs are absolutely the fastest growing component of the Medical system and a major driver of healthcare inflation. 

I don't see how this statistic can be correct for most people unless there is extensive misprescribing occuring. Many of the most common chronic diseases (diabetes, heart failure, hypertension, cholesterol, cardiovascular, and depression) are all treated with very effective generic medications that have never been cheaper. Pulmonary corticosteroids and antipsychotics are two more common drug classes that are very expensive still.

This is only what I see on the front lines though and what I read in guidelines of how treatment should be. Lazy prescribing from jumping too quickly to expensive "me-too" drugs that the drug rep talked about last time they bought them dinner might be a cause...

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1 hour ago, sactowndog said:

50k is not a plan and the only Bull shit are the constant assertions you make with no facts.  I already posted in a previous thread the study that showed R&D expenses had no correlation to top line revenue and net profit amounts.  It was driven by pure pricing power.  

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You aren't worth the +++++ign effort, just too stupid.

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19 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

Yeah well here is a study supporting my assertion.  

https://phhp-bahealthscience-new.sites.medinfo.ufl.edu/files/2016/09/jsc1600151.pdf

when you have something other than your opinion to share let me know.   

That is a position paper by a bunch of socialist retards.   It has a huge fail in it that a moron like you isn't willing to admit.  The only reason other countries have these drugs is because America provides them and their drug companies welfare.

This is one of the dumbest things you have ever posted retard.

You are just too dumb to waste time on.

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1 hour ago, Stealthlobo said:

I don't see how this statistic can be correct for most people unless there is extensive misprescribing occuring. Many of the most common chronic diseases (diabetes, heart failure, hypertension, cholesterol, cardiovascular, and depression) are all treated with very effective generic medications that have never been cheaper. Pulmonary corticosteroids and antipsychotics are two more common drug classes that are very expensive still.

This is only what I see on the front lines though and what I read in guidelines of how treatment should be. Lazy prescribing from jumping too quickly to expensive "me-too" drugs that the drug rep talked about last time they bought them dinner might be a cause...

They aren't the fastest growing, that is just plain stupid.  Every year their are more and more generics and that is what most illnesses are treated with.

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1 hour ago, Stealthlobo said:

I don't see how this statistic can be correct for most people unless there is extensive misprescribing occuring. Many of the most common chronic diseases (diabetes, heart failure, hypertension, cholesterol, cardiovascular, and depression) are all treated with very effective generic medications that have never been cheaper. Pulmonary corticosteroids and antipsychotics are two more common drug classes that are very expensive still.

This is only what I see on the front lines though and what I read in guidelines of how treatment should be. Lazy prescribing from jumping too quickly to expensive "me-too" drugs that the drug rep talked about last time they bought them dinner might be a cause...

Here is a paper on drug pricing and it's affect on hospitals.   I don't have the link I referred to in an earlier thread but this will provide some data.  

http://www.aha.org/content/16/aha-fah-rx-report.pdf

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2 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

Here is a paper on drug pricing and it's affect on hospitals.   I don't have the link I referred to in an earlier thread but this will provide some data.  

http://www.aha.org/content/16/aha-fah-rx-report.pdf

It is a study on in-patient drug costs moron.   Which are a very small portion of the whole.

It is not about overall drug costs.

 

It would be great if you could just learn to read the links you posted.

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3 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

That is a position paper by a bunch of socialist retards.   It has a huge fail in it that a moron like you isn't willing to admit.  The only reason other countries have these drugs is because America provides them and their drug companies welfare.

This is one of the dumbest things you have ever posted retard.

I agree America provides them and their drug companies welfare but that doesn't mean US drug prices are driven by R&D costs primarily.   Again post something other than your hate filled personal opinion some time.  

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4 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

It is a study on in-patient drug costs moron.   Which are a very small portion of the whole.

It is not about overall drug costs.

Since reading or citing sources is not a strong suit of yours, let me provide a quote from the paper for you.....

 

Total net spending on prescription drugs, inclusive of discounts, has accelerated over the past year to $309.5 billion annually, making prescription drugs the fastest growing segment of the U.S. healthcare economy.1,2 Growth in spending on drugs in 2014 (12.2 percent) dwarfs the overall rate of health care spending growth (5.3 percent) as well as the rate of spending growth on hospital and physician care (4.1 and 4.6 percent, respectively).

the data is older than the other study I saw but very consistent. 

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33 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

Since reading or citing sources is not a strong suit of yours, let me provide a quote from the paper for you.....

 

Total net spending on prescription drugs, inclusive of discounts, has accelerated over the past year to $309.5 billion annually, making prescription drugs the fastest growing segment of the U.S. healthcare economy.1,2 Growth in spending on drugs in 2014 (12.2 percent) dwarfs the overall rate of health care spending growth (5.3 percent) as well as the rate of spending growth on hospital and physician care (4.1 and 4.6 percent, respectively).

the data is older than the other study I saw but very consistent. 

It is a study on in-patient drug costs moron.

 

Not to mention that every expensive drug is providing a treatment never before available and  saving a life possibly.  You don't have to buy it if you don't want.

 

Plus drug treatments are cheaper and often more effective than the treatments they replace.   

 

Not to mention it is more expensive to day to treat diabetes than it was in the 1960's.  Of course other than diet there was no treatment so any money spent on a drug treatment would not only increase costs because a treatment was being provided.  It would increase costs because the patient would live longer.    Now that really sucks that for a nominal fee of less than $500/year we now have a treatment for diabetes that allows a better quality of life and a longer life.  Yes it did raise drug costs you fucking moron.

 

Your study is a socialist masturbation.  It is dumb.

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23 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

It is a study on in-patient drug costs moron.

 

Not to mention that every expensive drug is providing a treatment never before available and  saving a life possibly.  You don't have to buy it if you don't want.

 

Plus drug treatments are cheaper and often more effective than the treatments they replace.   

 

Not to mention it is more expensive to day to treat diabetes than it was in the 1960.  Of course other than diet there was no treatment so any money spent on a drug treatment would not only increase costs because a treatment was being provided.  It would increase costs because the patient would live longer.    Now that really sucks that for a nominal fee of less than $500/year we now have a treatment for diabetes that allows a better quality of life and a longer life.  Yes it did raise drug costs you fucking moron.

 

Your study is a socialist maturbation.  It is dumb.

I get that reading and comprehension declines as you get older.   Let me help you out.  The quote I gave you was a general statement of fact with cites on prescription drug costs in general.  And they are annual costs which exceed the increase in prescriptions.  

Typical Tools.  When presented with facts you can't refute you resort to insults.....   

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1 hour ago, sactowndog said:

I get that reading and comprehension declines as you get older.   Let me help you out.  The quote I gave you was a general statement of fact with cites on prescription drug costs in general.  And they are annual costs which exceed the increase in prescriptions.  

Typical Tools.  When presented with facts you can't refute you resort to insults.....   

I gave you 5 reason your study was stupid which is obvious to anyone but a moron like you.. The paper is simple minded socialist idiocy from morons who don't even understand medicine.

You as usual can't even understand the subject matter..

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4 hours ago, Stealthlobo said:

I don't see how this statistic can be correct for most people unless there is extensive misprescribing occuring. Many of the most common chronic diseases (diabetes, heart failure, hypertension, cholesterol, cardiovascular, and depression) are all treated with very effective generic medications that have never been cheaper. Pulmonary corticosteroids and antipsychotics are two more common drug classes that are very expensive still.

This is only what I see on the front lines though and what I read in guidelines of how treatment should be. Lazy prescribing from jumping too quickly to expensive "me-too" drugs that the drug rep talked about last time they bought them dinner might be a cause...

He does this every couple of months no matter how thoroughly his argument gets dismantled. Here is the last thread before this one.

 

 

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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3 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

I gave you 5 reason your study was stupid which is obvious to anyone but a moron like you.. The paper is simple minded socialist idiocy from morons who don't even understand medicine.

You as usual can't even understand the subject matter..

I don't give a blank about the paper.  I'm only citing the fact that drug costs are the fastest rising component of healthcare costs which is stated in the paper and cited. 

Geez you are so contankerous, rude and obnoxious you argue against a cited data point (which I've seen correlated in other papers) calling it stupid. Unreal what an ass you can be.   Thank god for the MWC board that has a place even for people like you.  

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3 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

He does this every couple of months no matter how thoroughly his argument gets dismantled. Here is the last thread before this one.

 

 

Yep and you and Tools take the same approach which is deny even basic stated facts, like the one he had a question about and then claim victory in your own biased minds.   Are you sure your not Trump?   You have his same style.  Refuse to acknowledge a basic fact and claim victory.  Aw probably not as that approach is endemic in a Republican Party more concerned with ideology than finding real solutions for people.

My "argument" is a simple stated cited fact.   Hardly dismantled by you and Tools stating your opinion.  

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