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2 minutes ago, Wyovanian said:

I'm a sporting sort of fellow. Care to make a wager that you won't be in a P5 conference in eight years?

You must have no life. But that's a given considering your location ?

 

 

 

 

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Just now, AztecSU said:

You must have no life. But that's a given considering your location ?

Based on whatever evidence you must use to arrive at such a (completely wrong) conclusion, the same must be true of yourself.

Either that, or you are still competing in the Greater San Diego Walk and Chew Gum Tournament every year. Which is it?

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5 hours ago, pesik said:

there are alot of presumptions in this article...

1) Fox wants the Mountain West in 2019-20 tv package...not a single thing you posted suggested that..it more suggest that fox sports san diago wants sdsu's 3rd tier rght, and to be local home of sdsu for highlights and news....he even kinda hints that they arent looking to add and are are super selective..and says major market is the reason (sdsu is onw of the few mwc in a major market)

Fox's agreement to broadcast SDSU local coverage is still a Mountain West broadcast.  If Fox wants to not keep getting continuously preempted by CBS Sports, they need to purchase the primary right and not just the local broadcast rights that are available if no other entity exercises them.  https://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/news/documents/2013/02/01/Mountain_West_Conference_Term_Sheet_1.pdf

 

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also fs1 is FILLED..they have the big 10, big 12, pac 12, big east ..all on just 1 channel (compared to espn's 4).fox has to push content to fs2 as is starting last season (before the big 10 content came)..which has ratings compared to cspan

UFC is leaving Fox and I think they would prefer football.  Fox made a big investment in the Big Ten gives Fox a premier college football conference property.  The Big Ten can provide three different games that would get decent national audiences.  The Pac 12 costs a lot per broadcast and the current Pac 12 FS1 agreement expires in 2024.  

Both Fox and ESPN can keep viewers watching their network with a Window 4 game and they get "sports bar" license fees.  The MW is the only value out their for a Window 4 game and its important to sports bars on the east coast, midwest and southeast that there be a game on til closing time.

 

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2) "so it anticipates SDSU being invited to the Big 12"???...they didn't make the big 12's top 12 list just a few months agon

There is a profit sharing provision that only triggers if SDSU gets paid a lot more per game.  A contract thinking that revenue would go up, in this case, contemplates an invitation to a Power 5 league.

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3) "SDSU runs the MW with SJSU and FSUs' votes in their pocket." what makes you think they area voting block??? if sdsu ran the mwc they wouldnt have needed boise to stipulate under contract that sdsu could return...their isnt a cali voting block

The Cal STate system is one system with 23 campuses - there is no SDSU board of trustees who is plotting how to get out of the MW and away from SJSU and FSU.  If the Cal State trustees care, all three votes are the same.  Frankly SDSU is self evident proof that the CSU trustees have focused on this campus over the years.

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4)"Fox who had the primary tv contract with the Big 12" its evenly split with ESPN

Fox has 40 exclusive games and ESPN has 19 plus the mens basketball rights.  If two thirds and first pick isn't 'primary' then I apologize for the misstatement.

 

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to the sdsu fans

1) you will never go indy because its program suicide..and for what local tv???? uconn as is could get a 10 mil per tv deal from SNY (local ct sports channel) if it went pure local for all sports...that would kill its program despite the "8 mil per increase"

This is not an approach that has any chance of being considered by SDSU fans.  See SGF's post to you above.  

After a number of these threads have gone down in flames I think there are two big areas that are not addressed by Aztec partisans.

First, If it is being contemplated that SDSU go independent they would want to start scheduling as many FBS schools as possible in the first four games of the season.  Until the last few seasons, the FBS matchups BYU had on there schedule were one of the first four games of the year.  SDSU can maximize its profits from football by scheduling four Power 5 matchups in out of conference now.

 Second, what rationale would the CSU trustees use to move SDSU to independence?  They are charged with looking after the best interest of the entire system and the negative impact on Fresno State and SJSU from independence is obvious.  They aren't going to spend a bunch of money for a new stadium. Why would they gamble their top football program's fortunes at the certain expense of their other two FBS programs?

 

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2) if it was that bad, they'd likely just re-join the AAC..boise burned bridges when it left sdsu didnt..sdsu still has sports in the AAC

 

The money wasn't big enough to offset the payments that Boise STate would have to make to the Big West to house its Olympic sports.  http://www.usufans.com/Forums/download/file.php?id=1724

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–13_Mountain_West_Conference_realignment

You should probably read the wiki to understand how this dysfunctional family got this way

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1 hour ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

Let's split the difference: 2.5. Boise, UNLV and Hawaii. Hawaii's Olys are already in the BW and the BW would be orgasmic about the chance to get the rest of us.

CSU might be able to make it as a football indy too but where would it place its Olys? The Missouri Valley Conference maybe? But the issue could easily be moot because CSU is sufficiently far east that it's almost a foregone conclusion that with the new stadium the Rams will be asked to join the realigned B12 along with AFA. (I'm not sure about BYU. Their football program has become stagnant and the no-Sunday thing will be problematic.)

So my guess is that by a decade from now, SDSU, Boise, UNLV, Hawaii, CSU and AFA will all have left the Molehill Worst. Then they can rename it Half a Molehill.

hawaii is always ready to go.you already know cuz.

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23 minutes ago, Wyovanian said:

I'm a sporting sort of fellow. Care to make a wager that you won't be in a P5 conference in eight years?

What I've consistently said is SDSU has an excellent chance to be in a reconfigured B12 in 2025 and that if we aren't, we will either be independent for football with our Olys in the BW or we will be a member of a newly created conference or we could conceivably be offered membership in the Pac 12 or a newly created western division of the AAC. So if you want to make a wager based on what I've actually said, in other words that we won't be in the MWC in 2025, I'm game.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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2 hours ago, sactowndog said:

No I act like public education spending has slowed as the state deficit has resumed.  

The CSU system has tons of deferred maintanence and trustees from LA and SF that will be looking out for their schools.   Are they willing to pay for land that will largely go to a stadium?   

One question.  To what extent could other public entities submit a bid for the land such as UCSD?

Largely go to a stadium?  The stadium might be 12 of the 200 or so acres they'd be purchasing.  

UCSD has already gone on record saying they feel SDSU should get that land.

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39 minutes ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

What I've consistently said is SDSU has an excellent chance to be in a reconfigured B12 in 2025 and that if we aren't, we will either be independent for football with our Olys in the BW or we will be a member of a newly created conference or we could conceivably be offered membership in the Pac 12 or a newly created western division of the AAC. So if you want to make a wager based on what I've actually said, in other words that we won't be in the MWC in 2025, I'm game.

And I'll wager a bet on where WHYome will be! Oh wait, everyone knows the answer to that one,

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If the Mountain West can bring their bowl games to Fox there is an additional reason that the Mountain West and Fox would sign a regular national broadcast rights deal like CBS has now.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/college/sd-sp-holiday-bowl-tv-espn-fox-20170615-story.html

The Holiday Bowl is moving to FS1 from ESPN.  If Fox wants to compete with ESPN during the week between Christmas and New Years they would definitely benefit from having the Hawaii Bowl, the Las Vegas Bowl and the New Mexico Bowl in addition to the Holiday bowl.

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1 hour ago, Bruininthebay said:

Fox's agreement to broadcast SDSU local coverage is still a Mountain West broadcast.  If Fox wants to not keep getting continuously preempted by CBS Sports, they need to purchase the primary right and not just the local broadcast rights that are available if no other entity exercises them.  https://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/news/documents/2013/02/01/Mountain_West_Conference_Term_Sheet_1.pdf

 

UFC is leaving Fox and I think they would prefer football.  Fox made a big investment in the Big Ten gives Fox a premier college football conference property.  The Big Ten can provide three different games that would get decent national audiences.  The Pac 12 costs a lot per broadcast and the current Pac 12 FS1 agreement expires in 2024.  

Both Fox and ESPN can keep viewers watching their network with a Window 4 game and they get "sports bar" license fees.  The MW is the only value out their for a Window 4 game and its important to sports bars on the east coast, midwest and southeast that there be a game on til closing time.

 

There is a profit sharing provision that only triggers if SDSU gets paid a lot more per game.  A contract thinking that revenue would go up, in this case, contemplates an invitation to a Power 5 league.

The Cal STate system is one system with 23 campuses - there is no SDSU board of trustees who is plotting how to get out of the MW and away from SJSU and FSU.  If the Cal State trustees care, all three votes are the same.  Frankly SDSU is self evident proof that the CSU trustees have focused on this campus over the years.

Fox has 40 exclusive games and ESPN has 19 plus the mens basketball rights.  If two thirds and first pick isn't 'primary' then I apologize for the misstatement.

 

This is not an approach that has any chance of being considered by SDSU fans.  See SGF's post to you above.  

After a number of these threads have gone down in flames I think there are two big areas that are not addressed by Aztec partisans.

First, If it is being contemplated that SDSU go independent they would want to start scheduling as many FBS schools as possible in the first four games of the season.  Until the last few seasons, the FBS matchups BYU had on there schedule were one of the first four games of the year.  SDSU can maximize its profits from football by scheduling four Power 5 matchups in out of conference now.

 Second, what rationale would the CSU trustees use to move SDSU to independence?  They are charged with looking after the best interest of the entire system and the negative impact on Fresno State and SJSU from independence is obvious.  They aren't going to spend a bunch of money for a new stadium. Why would they gamble their top football program's fortunes at the certain expense of their other two FBS programs?

 

The money wasn't big enough to offset the payments that Boise STate would have to make to the Big West to house its Olympic sports.  http://www.usufans.com/Forums/download/file.php?id=1724

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–13_Mountain_West_Conference_realignment

You should probably read the wiki to understand how this dysfunctional family got this way

most of you said is based on bad assumptions again

1) yes, fox sports san diago has to negotiate through te mwc.. no duh..the mwc own all the sdsu content...ill go back to suny, suny buys uconn basketball and football through the AAC...that doesnt mean they are plotting to buy all of uconn or the aac in 2019

2) fs1 is ONE channel..they also have the pac12...they dont need the mwc...

2b) stop hyping up this sports bar licnesing thing..if it was a big deal the mwc would have been worth alot more, bars have been around way before 2013 when the deals were signed..and espn passed originally till the boise package came...and if they thought their was real money in late night, east coast or not, c-usa/mac/sunbelt would move their games to late night.. id bet money they prefer Saturday 10:00pm starts over tuesady (school day/work day) starts at 8/9 which is proven to kill attendance (stop acting like only the pac 12/mwc can do it)

3) the big 12  released a list of 12 schools they are only looking at....sdsu didnt make it ...but you are certain they are going to the big 12....please stop

4) sdsu choose to abandon the other cali schools in 2013, why do you think they are a voting block..if sdsu has power over the other cali school why didnt it get them to jump..it is well documented that sdsu never wanted to leave the aac, they just couldnt find a willing travel partner (why not use power over other cali schools to come over)

you just made a blanket assessment with no backing..each school has their own president and their own vision

5) here is the details to the espn/fox big 12 deal..the primary content is split evenly...not even sure where your false numbers are coming from it clearly states a minimum of 26 will be televised on a espn network, all national..also stating that all the fox games televised arent national

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205680799

1) sdsu already abandoned sjsu and fresno before (4 years ago)...what evidence has you thinking they wont be able to do it again????? there is NONE..you are just making bad assumption left and right..there is no csu overlord 

2) again sdsu is still technically a member of the AAC..They never wanted to leave..

and you need to read up on the situaion..first off the AAC volunteered to pay boise's big west fees..secondly it was 2.5mil to join, to be paid off in a span of 5 years (link below)...with the c7 exit fees, boise would have made 4 million year one of the AAC alone, even if the AAC didnt pay..the money the aac was offering was enough. Boise just wanted more for itself

http://www.pe.com/2012/08/24/big-west-boise-state-is-in/

you made a whole false scenerio off the fact that sdsu made a deal with foxsports sdsu...

 

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On 6/30/2017 at 11:35 AM, AztecSU said:

More than likely 2 or 3 schools will be coming with us...sorry.

 

Where you going???  BIG-12, 12-Pac or independence?

 

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11 minutes ago, nvspuds said:

Independence and the Big West..

for starters. and its STILL better than the MWC, Better football scheduling, comparable basketball

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9 hours ago, pesik said:
9 hours ago, pesik said:

there are alot of presumptions in this article...

1) Fox wants the Mountain West in 2019-20 tv package...not a single thing you posted suggested that..it more suggest that fox sports san diago wants sdsu's 3rd tier rght, and to be local home of sdsu for highlights and news....he even kinda hints that they arent looking to add and are are super selective..and says major market is the reason (sdsu is one of the few mwc in a major market)

 

That's the real reason that asswhole Hair won't give us our 3rd tier rights.  We could have CBSSN bidding against Fox to televise our games.  We could make more money than any other member because of our market, and Hair knows it. 

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15 minutes ago, Dr. Dre said:

for starters. and its STILL better than the MWC, Better football scheduling, comparable basketball

If we went that route, which indy isn't my choice, Big West would be better almost everything.  Don't  like trying to be BYU without BYU's status as a traditionally good team.  

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1 hour ago, Dr. Dre said:

for starters. and its STILL better than the MWC, Better football scheduling, comparable basketball

I am not dissing your plan..Just answering the question..I wish you well..If you think that's the way to go you should do it..

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5 hours ago, pesik said:

most of you said is based on bad assumptions again

1) yes, fox sports san diago has to negotiate through te mwc.. no duh..the mwc own all the sdsu content...ill go back to suny, suny buys uconn basketball and football through the AAC...that doesnt mean they are plotting to buy all of uconn or the aac in 2019

2) fs1 is ONE channel..they also have the pac12...they dont need the mwc...

2b) stop hyping up this sports bar licnesing thing..if it was a big deal the mwc would have been worth alot more, bars have been around way before 2013 when the deals were signed..and espn passed originally till the boise package came...and if they thought their was real money in late night, east coast or not, c-usa/mac/sunbelt would move their games to late night.. id bet money they prefer Saturday 10:00pm starts over tuesady (school day/work day) starts at 8/9 which is proven to kill attendance (stop acting like only the pac 12/mwc can do it)

3) the big 12  released a list of 12 schools they are only looking at....sdsu didnt make it ...but you are certain they are going to the big 12....please stop

4) sdsu choose to abandon the other cali schools in 2013, why do you think they are a voting block..if sdsu has power over the other cali school why didnt it get them to jump..it is well documented that sdsu never wanted to leave the aac, they just couldnt find a willing travel partner (why not use power over other cali schools to come over)

you just made a blanket assessment with no backing..each school has their own president and their own vision

5) here is the details to the espn/fox big 12 deal..the primary content is split evenly...not even sure where your false numbers are coming from it clearly states a minimum of 26 will be televised on a espn network, all national..also stating that all the fox games televised arent national

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205680799

1) sdsu already abandoned sjsu and fresno before (4 years ago)...what evidence has you thinking they wont be able to do it again????? there is NONE..you are just making bad assumption left and right..there is no csu overlord 

2) again sdsu is still technically a member of the AAC..They never wanted to leave..

and you need to read up on the situaion..first off the AAC volunteered to pay boise's big west fees..secondly it was 2.5mil to join, to be paid off in a span of 5 years (link below)...with the c7 exit fees, boise would have made 4 million year one of the AAC alone, even if the AAC didnt pay..the money the aac was offering was enough. Boise just wanted more for itself

http://www.pe.com/2012/08/24/big-west-boise-state-is-in/

you made a whole false scenerio off the fact that sdsu made a deal with foxsports sdsu...

 

So what do you think they will fill the 3-4 college football game sized time slots when fox loses their exclusive rights to the UFC? Rugby? 

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7 minutes ago, SalinasSpartan said:

So what do you think they will fill the 3-4 college football game sized time slots when fox loses their exclusive rights to the UFC? Rugby? 

is the mwc is moving to summer?? you realize they barely air ufc during college football season? they already released the tv schedule for next year first 2 weeks. all fs1 slots already filled including late night..numerous p5 games had to be moved to the weekday..note arizona st vs texas tech has been moved to local fox sports only...not sure where you guys think slots for a whole conference will come from

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18 minutes ago, pesik said:

is the mwc is moving to summer?? you realize they barely air ufc during college football season? they already released the tv schedule for next year first 2 weeks. all fs1 slots already filled including late night..numerous p5 games had to be moved to the weekday..note arizona st vs texas tech has been moved to local fox sports only...not sure where you guys think slots for a whole conference will come from

From the beginning of September through the first weekend of December The UFC is holding 13 events; 4 PPVs, 8 fight nights, and a finale event for the ultimate fighter. The majority of those fight night cards will be on FS1, along with the prelims for the 4 PPVs and the Ultimate Fighter finale. So again, what is going to fill those time slots? 

And I never said anything about Fox wanting all the MWC content, but could I see them wanting 10-14 games? Sure. 

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