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1 hour ago, nmlongbow said:

They won't be using 12oz gloves, Mayweather always uses 8oz gloves. The padding in boxing  gloves differs by manufacturer. Some offer more hand protection or lateral stability. The type of padding also varies between brands.

I don't think gloves will matter though. Connors footwork is no match for Floyds and I look for Connor to get dropped repeatedly when he squares up or crosses his feet. They might just end up hugging it out for 12 rounds because they're so happy to be making all of that easy money.

Split the difference, they're using 10 oz gloves from everything I've seen this morning.

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2 hours ago, TK_05 said:

 

uhh... so he's going to put on bigger gloves and have less power? lol

 

not sure you understand how this works in all honesty 

It's physics. Explain.

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There's a huge difference between hitting someone with 4 oz gloves vs. 8 oz vs. 10 oz gloves. It's laughable to argue that it doesn't make a difference.The smaller the gloves, the more it benefits the puncher. Also different types of gloves make a difference. For example power punchers tend to like Reyes gloves because they are soft and you feel like they are wrapped around your knuckles.  If they did fight with MMA 4 oz gloves, that would also be a huge advantage for Floyd. The hardest punches to absorb are the ones that you don't see coming. If Floyd hit Conor with one pull counter while wearing 4 oz gloves he would get KTFO. And most likely Floyd would break his hand. 

 

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28 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

It's physics. Explain.

 

ok... lets start at step one.

 

some guys are anatomically pre-disposed to be more "powerful" than other guys, right? this is clear with the differences in men vs women post puberty. some guys have better hips, some guys throw more power. yes or no? have i lost you already?

 

those guys that have heavy hands. be it throwing a fastball, punching a heavy bag, being a professional fighter. those guys with heavy hands, those guys that have knockout power... that's a real advantage over their opponent.

 

striking is striking. not every boxer has heavy hands, that's no what makes a boxer a boxer. that's certainly not what makes floyd mayweather floyd mayweather. this guy is a goat for a reason, and having knockout power is not one of them. so floyd is a defensive master, he's mastered the sweet science, prolonged his career by taking minimal damage. this is the reason for his reign and the reason he's not popular amongst a lot of "fans"

 

conor has 24 professional fights and 18 knock outs. by any metric, he has heavy hands. he punches with power. he finished aldo with one punch. that power translates. if you have heavy hands with 4 ounce gloves, you'll have comparatively heavy hands with 12-16 ounce gloves.

 

anyone thinking the glove side matters in terms of heavy hands just doesn't understand what it means to have heavy hands. anyone thinking the guy doesn't put in a lot of time boxing, just doesn't understand the amount of work it takes to be a mixed martial artist at that level. conor has heavy hands. those hands are heavy with no gloves, small gloves, big gloves. if conor clips you with his power, you're going to feel it. it doesn't matter if the blow has been cushioned or not. the gloves are the same for both fighters but the power levels are not.

 

got it?

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8 minutes ago, PTR said:

There's a huge difference between hitting someone with 4 oz gloves vs. 8 oz vs. 10 oz gloves. It's laughable to argue that it doesn't make a difference.The smaller the gloves, the more it benefits the puncher. Also different types of gloves make a difference. For example power punchers tend to like Reyes gloves because they are soft and you feel like they are wrapped around your knuckles.  If they did fight with MMA 4 oz gloves, that would also be a huge advantage for Floyd. The hardest punches to absorb are the ones that you don't see coming. If Floyd hit Conor with one pull counter while wearing 4 oz gloves he would get KTFO. And most likely Floyd would break his hand. 

 

 

why would it be an advantage for floyd to fight with gloves that he's literally never fought (or likely trained with) lol. are we pretending like the size of gloves isn't a huge factor in blocking and parrying punches in boxing? good luck trying to turtle with mma gloves

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Floyd hitting Hatton with a left hook (probably his least effective power punch) while wearing 10 oz gloves. And this was against Ricky Hatton a highly skilled world championship professional fighter. Now imagine him throwing the same punch with 4 oz gloves against a completely flat-footed Conor. A lot of what will happen depends on how Floyd views the fight. If he views this as a $300 million dollar glorified exhibition he'll clown Mcgregor, flash angles and movement that Connor won't know what to do, throw the occasional right hand lead. When Mcgregor gets too aggressive he'll throw a single counter over the top to back him off wash, rinse, repeat.  Now if during the course of the shit-talking, bad blood develops, that's a different story. The glorified exhibition goes out the window and it will look a lot like this:

 

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11 minutes ago, TK_05 said:

 

why would it be an advantage for floyd to fight with gloves that he's literally never fought (or likely trained with) lol. are we pretending like the size of gloves isn't a huge factor in blocking and parrying punches in boxing? good luck trying to turtle with mma gloves

Lol. Not trying to be a dick here, but  you're flat out wrong and your ignorance about boxing is showing. 

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Just now, PTR said:

Lol. Not trying to be a dick here, but  you're flat out wrong here and your ignorance about boxing is showing. 

feel free to explain

 

you think a guy that trained his whole life with boxing gloves for boxing matches would seemlessly make a transition to striking in mma? (hands only for arguments sake)

 

you think that glove size doesn't play a factor in the genius of floyd's defense? you think that the bigger gloves don't protect a larger area around floyd's body? interesting

 

glove sizes make a difference on head trauma, they're the same for both opponents. there's a reason mma fights often finish with 1 punch ko's and flash knockouts. boxing gloves let boxing matches typically last longer with a higher volume of strikes. all that sustained punishment is a huge reason for the rapid mental decline of many boxers. all of these guys at the top of their sport (boxing and mma) are athletes. if you make your name in the ufc, win titles, and sell ppv's as a heavy handed striker, that power will translate to whatever utilizes those same muscles. are we honestly pretending like conor throws bombs with 4ounce gloves but will throw pillows with boxing gloves? how naive is that?

 

and conor has history as a boxer. he started his athletics career as a boxer. "Kavanagh recalls McGregor as "a game kind of boxer. He was very game. He loved to fight. But he was also very strong - he could seriously bang.'" those are the words from a professional boxer that conor used to train with. conor went the mma route and has found unparalled success. but please, lets not pretend like the guy can't throw punches

 

my point is/was/will always be... HEAVY HANDS TRANSLATE. all this bullshit talk about "well he's not a boxer, boxers have magically punching power" and "gloves this, gloves that" is irrelevant. if conor touches another man that is roughly his size with a punch, he's punching as hard as anyone. that's all i'm saying. floyd doesn't get touched, that's what makes the fight intriguing. floyd is now 40, that's what makes the fight intriguing. 

 

is he on the same boxing level as floyd? no, who the +++++ is saying that? does he stand a chance to see the scorecards? lets see. floyd is expected to outclass conor much like he has outclassed everyone he's fought. there's a high likelihood conor barely touches floyd and floyd tunes up conor like schoolkid, he's done that to far more accomplished fighters. there's a punchers chance that 40 year old floyd doesn't take this fight serious and conor gets lucky. like i said, that's why it's intriguing. that's why these guys are making hundreds of millions of dollars. that's why this thread is so lively.

 

all the other "i know more than you so please don't participate in the discussion" bullshit is for the birds. if that's the route you're going to go than don't bother replying, just pm your opinions to yourself i guess

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1 hour ago, TK_05 said:

feel free to explain

 

you think a guy that trained his whole life with boxing gloves for boxing matches would seemlessly make a transition to striking in mma? (hands only for arguments sake)

 

you think that glove size doesn't play a factor in the genius of floyd's defense? you think that the bigger gloves don't protect a larger area around floyd's body? interesting

 

glove sizes make a difference on head trauma, they're the same for both opponents. there's a reason mma fights often finish with 1 punch ko's and flash knockouts. boxing gloves let boxing matches typically last longer with a higher volume of strikes. all that sustained punishment is a huge reason for the rapid mental decline of many boxers. all of these guys at the top of their sport (boxing and mma) are athletes. if you make your name in the ufc, win titles, and sell ppv's as a heavy handed striker, that power will translate to whatever utilizes those same muscles. are we honestly pretending like conor throws bombs with 4ounce gloves but will throw pillows with boxing gloves? how naive is that?

 

and conor has history as a boxer. he started his athletics career as a boxer. "Kavanagh recalls McGregor as "a game kind of boxer. He was very game. He loved to fight. But he was also very strong - he could seriously bang.'" those are the words from a professional boxer that conor used to train with. conor went the mma route and has found unparalled success. but please, lets not pretend like the guy can't throw punches

 

my point is/was/will always be... HEAVY HANDS TRANSLATE. all this bullshit talk about "well he's not a boxer, boxers have magically punching power" and "gloves this, gloves that" is irrelevant. if conor touches another man that is roughly his size with a punch, he's punching as hard as anyone. that's all i'm saying. floyd doesn't get touched, that's what makes the fight intriguing. floyd is now 40, that's what makes the fight intriguing. 

 

is he on the same boxing level as floyd? no, who the +++++ is saying that? does he stand a chance to see the scorecards? lets see. floyd is expected to outclass conor much like he has outclassed everyone he's fought. there's a high likelihood conor barely touches floyd and floyd tunes up conor like schoolkid, he's done that to far more accomplished fighters. there's a punchers chance that 40 year old floyd doesn't take this fight serious and conor gets lucky. like i said, that's why it's intriguing. that's why these guys are making hundreds of millions of dollars. that's why this thread is so lively.

 

all the other "i know more than you so please don't participate in the discussion" bullshit is for the birds. if that's the route you're going to go than don't bother replying, just pm your opinions to yourself i guess

Father time is undefeated in combat sports. If Floyd was fighting a highly skilled A level professional fighter in or around 147-160 pounds (Canelo again, GGG, Thurman, Spence etc.) one that could effective press him like Cotto did in spots then 40 becomes a huge factor. . Even then highly skilled defensive fighters like Hopkins. fought at an extremely high level well past their prime. And Floyd is better defensively than Hopkins. Conor doesn't even possess regional golden gloves quality footwork and movement, much less the ability to cut off the ring and press +++++ing Floyd Mayweather. 

Heavy hands do translate to a certain extent, but the effects are mitigated by a number of factors including the size and brand of the gloves. The bigger the glove size the more diminished the impact of heavy hands. This is boxing 101. 

That fight would never take place with anything other than whatever 8 oz gloves Floyd chooses, but if it did take place with smaller 4 oz boxing gloves, it would still favor Floyd because of the cumulative affects of his perfectly placed punches and the timing of counters that Conor never saw coming. Instead of just stunning Conor, the traps that he set would result in a likely knockout. 

Gloves do play a factor in Floyd's defense,but he's not a high-guard, nor a pick-a-boo style fighter. Floyd is absolutely a master of the philly shell defense which is as much about movement,  deflecting punches with your shoulders androlling as anything and  Conor does not have the skill set to force Floyd to cover up where he would need the extra glove size to defend himself. 

Lol at your example of  Kavanagh to argue  Conor's boxing prowess.  He is McGregor's +++++ing trainer what is he supposed to say "well McGregor's boxing skills are basic as +++++, but we're gonna make $100 million. 

Here is what Conor looks like sparing in a boxing environment

 

and here is what Freddie Roach says about Conor's ability (and he hates Mayweather). 

 

And lastly, no. There is no intrigue here. Just a naked grab for cash by Money May, Conor and the promotion teams for both fighters. 

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http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/19664207/sportsbooks-sees-flurry-square-bets-conor-mcgregor-fight-floyd-mayweather

Holy +++++ Vegas is giving away money. Mayweather down to -600. Mayweather by decision is at 2-1, by KO at 5-9.

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4 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/19664207/sportsbooks-sees-flurry-square-bets-conor-mcgregor-fight-floyd-mayweather

Holy +++++ Vegas is giving away money. Mayweather down to -600. Mayweather by decision is at 2-1, by KO at 5-9.

i was just going to post that. what i'm hearing is that yes, there is no doubt that mayweather will win. but conor will just keep coming at him, and will not let up.

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1 hour ago, 4UNLV said:

i was just going to post that. what i'm hearing is that yes, there is no doubt that mayweather will win. but conor will just keep coming at him, and will not let up.

How much lower do you think it can go before the sharps dump money on Floyd?

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Just now, thelawlorfaithful said:

How much lower do you think it can go before the sharps dump money on Floyd?

i have no idea, i didn't think it would go here, lol. but i wouldn't be surprised if it were another 100 or 2..

but i did hear on the radio yesterday that since this is still 2 months away, the sharps might not want to tie up their $$$$ for all that time and will come in closer to the actual fight.

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On 6/15/2017 at 6:27 AM, thelawlorfaithful said:

McGregor is going to get hit in the head flush more in this fight than he has in his entire career combined. Floyd's no puncher,  it's true, but he doesn't play patty cake with his shots either. He hits hard enough to make world class boxers wary of trying to walk through those shots.

McGregor shouldn't be in there with the 50th best welterweight, let alone Floyd Mayweather. This isn't an athletic competition, this is aggrivated battery as grand spectacle.

Floyd has 26 KO's in 49 fights.  

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Conor is bigger and stronger than Mayweather, and he's quick. His footwork definitely isn't on Floyd's level, but I don't doubt that he's going to land some nasty shots early in the fight. He's the only person that has ever knocked Jose Aldo out (Holloway was a TKO), and throws some huge punches. Hell, I'd probably be willing to risk $100 at +1000 on Conor knocking Floyd out. 

He proved that he does have some stamina in surviving the rematch with Nate Diaz, but I don't think he's got what it takes to win a decision, because he's going to fade no later than round five. 

 

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