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Chad Sexington

The PAC12 Sucks

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On 5/20/2017 at 8:44 AM, Chad Sexington said:

People keep telling me how the PAC12 sucks revenue a$$, and then reddit tweets out this stuff.  I admit to not knowing what to believe when even Jon Wilner is telling me how much a$$ the PAC12 sucks.  Help! Anyone?

 

SEC: $639m

PAC12: $488m

Big Ten: $483m

ACC: $373m

Big 12: $313m

 

You sound like an Aztec fan after only 7 years of playing in the P12. Despite never winning their division and usually finishing the season at .500, the Aztecs have had it with being associated with a bunch of P12 losers. In fact, they're not even interested in the SEC. Local radio talk show hosts and print writers have put pressure on and inspired Aztec school officials take the leadership role and forming a new "best of the rest" conference with P5's. 

 

I'm just kidding! 

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I know the collective wisdom is that Craig Thompson did something wrong, but I still have yet to learn what specifically that was.  I would say that the MW should have invited Boise State earlier but the WAC's ESPN deal was so lucrative ESPN wanted to continue it, in some way, when Boise joined the MW.   History suggests that Utah or TCU were not in favor of an earlier membership, or perhaps BYU, because it was only after those schools left that Boise's admission was granted.  Yes, the better half of the WAC followed and some suggest that wasn't ideal (not me).

I don't think the WCC did anything wonderful beyond a tv deal with ESPN.  The WCC schools, mostly originally Jesuit, appear to be of greater significance but are private universities with small enrollments.

The MW should take from the Pac 12, and every other FBS conference, to have equal revenue sharing in the next TV deal with a national cable network.  Of course if Regional sports networks get the rights then each school would probably vary more.  

The MW needs to drive the hardest bargain it can for Window 4 content and I think the Pac 12 is going to do exactly the same thing in 2024.  Our tv situations are much more comparable (the pac 12 and MW) than the American with the MW with respect to Window 4.

 I think the Pac 12 is going to offer a tv package for national broadcasts to CBS, Fox, ABC and NBC just like the NFL does.  While TV ratings decline overall, live sports get people to watch commercials and that is still going to be worth a fair amount in 2025.

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12 minutes ago, Bruininthebay said:

 History suggests that Utah or TCU were not in favor of an earlier membership, or perhaps BYU, because it was only after those schools left that Boise's admission was granted.  

 

 

Boise's invitation was made official Jun 11, 2010.  TCU's invite to the Big East came 5 months later.

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This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

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33 minutes ago, Bruininthebay said:

OK.  Utah, definitely.  BYU, probably.

For UTAH the deal breaker was Fresno St, not Boise 

"If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, are you still a moron?"

"Give me a Sandwich and a Douchebag and there's nothing I can't do!"

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On 5/22/2017 at 11:16 AM, Bruininthebay said:

We can scale the overhead way back and keep the minimal distribution we have.  Direct TV has a point when they say "SEC and Big Ten have one, maybe two networks and you want SEVEN?!".

Bingo.  Love the idea of those six regional channels as a way to build up rivalries.  I wouldn't mind the Arizona channel merging with the Mountain channel and the WA & OR as well.  The CA schools can decide if they want to do that.

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On 5/22/2017 at 10:16 AM, Bruininthebay said:

Direct TV now, more or less, owns Root Sports.  The Mountain West is an area where satellite service is often the only option, even for internet.   I know its a tangent but there really is a way for the Mountain West to get revenue from its deal with RSNs, primarily Root Sports, because Direct TV's business would include a lot of people from MW states.

Hey! The Molehill Worst is gonna earn megabucks from streaming its games!

But don't say you heard it from me cuz it's a secret. Same as Nixon's 1968 plan to immediately end the war in Vietnam.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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On 5/22/2017 at 0:47 PM, Chad Sexington said:

For UTAH the deal breaker was Fresno St, not Boise 

C'mon man, it's U not UTAH. You never liked SDSU either. Prolly a California thang.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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17 minutes ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

C'mon man, it's U not UTAH. You never liked SDSU either. Prolly a California thang.

I'm fine w/SDSU. I don't like Cal or UCLA, but I'm fine with USC and LJSC. 

I always stand up for you communist or socialist motherf*ckers. 

"If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, are you still a moron?"

"Give me a Sandwich and a Douchebag and there's nothing I can't do!"

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2 hours ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

Hey! The Molehill Worst is gonna earn megabucks from streaming its games!

But don't say you heard it from me cuz it's a secret. Same as Nixon's 1968 plan to immediately end the war in Vietnam.

I think the overall idea is to get the revenue from regional sports networks in the markets that MWC schools are located in (ROOT would be the biggest but Fox Sports in San Diego and NBC Sports in the Bay area would have interest) so that there is an option with total MW control over kick off times that is more or less equal in revenue to the amount that CBS and ESPN are paying for MW content.  The more legitimate that CBS and ESPN think this is, the more they have to make it worth the Mountain West's time to broadcast on their network.  

"Window 4" is what ESPN calls the 7PM PT/10 PM EST time slot.  This is the fourth among their prime time slots and they need to fill that with something.  I know the Pac 12 is asking for more than the MW is for that time slot and BYU could muck things up, but overall the MW has the ability to call ESPN's bluff because the MW can get up from the table while ESPN has to have something in that slot and they make WAY more money on a MW game than a pac 12 game.

Thompson referring to national distribution i.e. ESPN as being the equivalent of a free website is a decent troll.  ESPN is mostly a website with videoclips that is ad supported i.e. free.

 ESPN tries to get conferences to sign for next to nothing because 'exposure' is what the conference gets and in many cases the conferences think that there really are these intangible, non-monetary benefits to play FBS (e.g. CUSA, MAC, Sun Belt) on ESPN for the same nominal amount that ESPN pays FCS teams.

If the MW can get enough revenue from RSNs they can tell ESPN to take a hike.  The Mountain West as a region would make the most sense of any place in the United States where purchasing a satellite to get the regional sports network for a college football conference now that there is the SEC, Big Ten network et al.

ESPN should get serious and narrow the gap with the Pac 12 to better reflect the not huge difference between the overall quality of the Pac 12 and MW conferences apart from the very top programs.

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17 hours ago, Chad Sexington said:

I'm fine w/SDSU. I don't like Cal or UCLA, but I'm fine with USC and LJSC. 

I always stand up for you communist or socialist motherf*ckers. 

And I always stand up for you guys and your separation of church and state starting with that omnipresent beehive logo.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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5 minutes ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

And I always stand up for you guys and your separation of church and state starting with that omnipresent beehive logo.

Don't forget the Sego Lily.

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13 hours ago, ExplorerSunDevil said:

The PAC12 as a conference will be ok.

Whether members within the conference remain satisfied with the current setup is a whole different issue.

Seems to me that the two dregs of the conference, Oregon State and WSU, know they're just damn lucky to still be sitting in the wagon watching everybody else's horses pull it, the last thing they're going to do is complain. So you mean there's some animosity toward them for not doing their part? 

Boom goes the dynamite.

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1 hour ago, #1Stunner said:

Don't forget the Sego Lily.

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The lily doesn't ring a bell. Certainly it's not on all the state highway signs like the beehive.

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BEHIND the Mormon beehive.

I opposed deletion of a picture of one of the California missions on the L.A. county seal. Although similar to the Mormon beehive it was historically based, that picture was dissimilar in various ways. For one, the missions have been state historical landmarks for a century or so and although established by the Catholic Church they were basically funded by the Spanish crown, a civil institution. Also, that picture composed just a small fraction of the county logo and was not used anywhere else such as on road signs. I nevertheless did agree with the compromise reached, which was to remove the cross from the top of the picture.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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