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4 minutes ago, happycamper said:

The point is it was only whispers at UNC for 20 years, until it wasn't. 

I'm smart enough to know that if there's winning there's probably stuff the NCAA would freak out about. 

Considering the NCAA rules...of course.

This is about blatant selective enforcement though.

Whispers don't equal investigations.

All is well, For Rice is gone.                  

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1 minute ago, jdgaucho said:

 

American.  But who's counting?

UCONN built their program in the Big East.

The year they won it from the 1st year of AAC they brought back most their team.

They might be on decline. Think they have a couple big names transferring.

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Just now, BestintheWest said:

UCONN built their program in the Big East.

The year they won it from the 1st year of AAC they brought back most their team.

They might be on decline. Think they have a couple big names transferring.

They were still a non-P5 team when they won it. 

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1 minute ago, retrofade said:

They were still a non-P5 team when they won it. 

Non-P5 isn't even the right term.

Big East never was P5. It was THE basketball conference.

 

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Just now, cherrycrush said:

Where did all this UNLV pride crap ? come from?  These guys are coming out of the woodwork tonight. 

Woodwork?

UNLV fans dominate this board..

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36 minutes ago, happycamper said:

Yeah. And having gone to Gonzaga, you hear whispers. You know about what kind of resources the players get. 

When the sports are so beneficial to the university, shady shit goes down. No elite schools want anyone to look into NC's stuff too bad because, while they might not have that exact scam going on, they have shady ass shit going on. 

Agreed.  For example, at BYU a scandal revealed that athletes got free socks. 

@jackmormon, @Del Scorcho

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45 minutes ago, BestintheWest said:

Considering the NCAA rules...of course.

This is about blatant selective enforcement though.

Whispers don't equal investigations.

Let me give you all a close-to-home example of how effed-up the NCAA is when it comes to enforcement.

Hawaii was guilty of four rules violations:

- The former head basketball coach allowed the basketball operations manager to attend practice and occasionally help coach players, and then misled NCAA investigators about it.  This was the big violation.

- The former head basketball coach, when he found out that a player had borrowed a booster's car for three days, counseled the team not to take any favors from boosters but did not report the incident to UH's compliance manager.

- A former assistant basketball coach gave a player a used iPad... with a cracked screen.

- The same former assistant basketball coach made a correction to an entering player's paperwork.  Apparently the player had under-reported his parents' income (which could have jeopardized the player's entry into the school) so the assistant coach revised the income number with the player's knowledge and concurrence.  There was never a finding that the revised number was wrong.

As a result of these violations, the university:

- Terminated the head coach and the assistant coach (which cost the university over a million dollars in severance pay and legal fees).

- Suspended the player who received the iPad, who responded by leaving school and going pro.

- Docked the program one scholarship for one year.

- Self-reported all of the details to the NCAA.

The player whose paperwork was revised was not penalized because he didn't do anything wrong.

The NCAA Infractions Committee investigated for almost a year and then imposed a show-cause order on the former head coach (preventing him from coaching at an NCAA school for next few years) and imposed a post-season ban and an increased scholarship penalty (a loss of two scholies for two years) on the basketball program.  The post-season ban caused pretty much all of the returning players from Hawaii's 2016 NCAA tournament team to go pro or transfer.

Meanwhile the university determined based on a legal review that the Infractions Committee had overreached under the NCAA's own rules, and filed an appeal of the penalties imposed on the basketball program. The NCAA Appeals Committee took 10 months to examine the case and ultimately agreed with the university, bouncing the case back to the Infractions Committee with an instruction to reduce the basketball program penalties.

Five months later -- on the Friday before the start of the Big West tournament -- the Infractions Committee finally acted by lifting the post-season ban and restoring the lost scholarships.  But here's the kicker: the Infractions Committee took no blame or responsibility for having made an error in imposing the unwarranted additional penalties, which effectively had already gutted the Hawaii basketball program.  Rather, the Infractions Committee claimed that it was eliminating those penalties because the appeals committee took so long to decide the appeal that the Infractions Committee deemed that a "mitigating factor" in the university's favor!

How's that for a dysfunctional process?  The Infractions Committee grudgingly let Hawaii off the hook but blamed the Appeals Committee for a procedural error instead of admitting a mistake!

 

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It's not uncommon for the runner up to win the championship the following year. The Tar Heels are a prime example of that. I don't know Gonzaga's roster very well, but if they can keep that unit together (or close to it), then they should have a good chance of getting back to the Final Four. 

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Gonzaga loses Karnowski and Jordan Mathews to graduation.  Williams-Goss, Melson and Johnathan Williams will be seniors next year.  Perkins will be a junior, Tillie and Collins both sophomores. 

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2 hours ago, happycamper said:

Actually, it was. South Carolina's. His eye got scratched the last game and couldn't see.

That said... shitty reffing. Not one sided, shitty. It looked like a MWC reffing crew. Collins should have had 3, Tillie should have had 4, Karnowski should have had 2. Collins was GU's only inside threat, shut down. Hell Meeks was Carolina's only rebounder, shut down. Both offenses needed some fast break to get going and it was removed from the refs.

Hell there were so many fouls it stopped being fun to watch. 

verne harris was one of the refs...

the entire crew was terrible, could be one of the worst ever.

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7 hours ago, jdgaucho said:

Gonzaga loses Karnowski and Jordan Mathews to graduation.  Williams-Goss, Melson and Johnathan Williams will be seniors next year.  Perkins will be a junior, Tillie and Collins both sophomores. 

Thanks for looking it up jd:thumbsup:

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