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They speak to the GOP controlled house as if it wasn't them, or that they weren't a part of it the last 6yrs.  They don't have the support in house to support what they want.  What's their next move?  Are they OK torpedoing every other solution to the detriment of America?

It's cheap and easy to sit back and criticize.  They can only influence to the degree they can.  To their demise, the moderates on both sides need to step up and do what's right for America.

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7 minutes ago, jackmormon said:

It's good to see the republicans splintering into their own special interest groups. 

I actually agree with this.  You do realize that this splinter in the GOP has existed for quite some time, right?  The worse thing the Dems can do right now is sit back and do nothing like they did in 2012, 2014 and 2016.  That hasn't worked out well for them.

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10 minutes ago, pokebball said:

They speak to the GOP controlled house as if it wasn't them, or that they weren't a part of it the last 6yrs.  They don't have the support in house to support what they want.  What's their next move?  Are they OK torpedoing every other solution to the detriment of America?

It's cheap and easy to sit back and criticize.  They can only influence to the degree they can.  To their demise, the moderates on both sides need to step up and do what's right for America.

 

6 minutes ago, pokebball said:

I actually agree with this.  You do realize that this splinter in the GOP has existed for quite some time, right?  The worse thing the Dems can do right now is sit back and do nothing like they did in 2012, 2014 and 2016.  That hasn't worked out well for them.

Maybe, but they aren't going to step on their own dicks to reach out. Someone needs to reach out to them and there would have to be compromise; something that they can take back to their constituents. What could the Republicans offer that would sweeten the pot enough to garner a few Democratic votes? I can't think of anything that wouldn't at the same time lose more to the "right".

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A block on both sides needs to denounce partisanship, agree that compromise is not a dirty word, and work together to make incremental progress on our many, many problems. 

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3 hours ago, Old_SD_Dude said:

A block on both sides needs to denounce partisanship, agree that compromise is not a dirty word, and work together to make incremental progress on our many, many problems. 

That would be the worst thing that could happen to this country.

That would insure we would never have a market based approach to health care.

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8 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

That would be the worst thing that could happen to this country.

That would insure we would never have a market based approach to health care.

We had a market based approach. We also had nearly 50 million Americans with no insurance.

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10 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

That would be the worst thing that could happen to this country.

That would insure we would never have a market based approach to health care.

Have we ever had a market based approach to HC?  Consumers are pretty ignorant when it comes to HC.  That makes it pretty difficult.

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4 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

That would be the worst thing that could happen to this country.

That would insure we would never have a market based approach to health care.

I'm talking about a lot more than just health care. I'm talking about governance in general. Hyperpartisanship and the sentiment that if you don't agree with me you're wrong, stupid and evil is going to take this country down. You epitomize it. 

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1 hour ago, Old_SD_Dude said:

I'm talking about a lot more than just health care. I'm talking about governance in general. Hyperpartisanship and the sentiment that if you don't agree with me you're wrong, stupid and evil is going to take this country down. You epitomize it. 

Stupid and evil is limiting freedom, is government control of your health care choices, is government killing its citizens, that is all on you.

Stupid and evil is using federal money and programs to bribe voters and make them dependent on you generationally.

Stupid and evil is insisting on socialist government policies even though we have a 150 years of examples of failure.  We know it hurts the poor most and the disadvantaged.

Stupid and evil is brainwashed morons like you.

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1 minute ago, bluerules009 said:

Stupid and evil is brainwashed morons like you.

As I said... you epitomize the all-too-frequent component of our political discourse where anyone who disagrees with you is stupid and evil. It's a frame of mind that will destroy us. 

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1 minute ago, Old_SD_Dude said:

As I said...

Nothing more evil then policies that everyone knows, have been proven for a century to hurt the poor and helpless the most.  Which is epitomized by baby killers like you.

 

Nothing has helped the poor and helpless more then freedom based capitalistic western economies which I hope I epitomize.  History proven success over and over, everywhere it has been tried.

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16 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

Nothing more evil then policies that everyone knows, have been proven for a century to hurt the poor and helpless the most.  Which is epitomized by baby killers like you.

 

Nothing has helped the poor and helpless more then freedom based capitalistic western economies which I hope I epitomize.  History proven success over and over, everywhere it has been tried.

Would love to see the evidence of this...you know, actual fact based numbers....

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22 minutes ago, PokeTransplant said:

Would love to see the evidence of this...you know, actual fact based numbers....

Look around you.

Travel to europe or ecuador or africa or mexico.  Then travel to japan, germany or england.

Look at any western capitalist democracy and the poor are usually better off then 90% of the population in any socialist authoritarian country.    The people who work at Walmart full time in the United States make more then the average citizen of Mexico.

It is has obvious a fact as there is.  Only a total moronic fool like SDdoubleD and the rest would argue for socializing large portion of an economy.  

 

There is not even one example of an economic output that does not support the primacy of a free capitalist economy helping the poor more then any other system.

 

“A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.” 
 Milton Friedman
“One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results.” 
 Milton Friedman

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/358771/capitalisms-triumph-michael-tanner

http://www.fff.org/2015/09/25/the-pope-socialism-and-capitalism/

Isn’t the answer obvious? If Americans want a peaceful, prosperous, harmonious, and free way of life, there is but one way to achieve that — by restoring and building on the principles of free markets, private property, free enterprise, and limited government on which our nation was founded. That necessarily means a dismantling, not a reform, of the welfare-warfare state apparatuses that liberals and conservatives grafted onto our federal governmental system.

http://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/report/defending-the-dream-why-income-inequality-doesnt-threaten-opportunity

 

General Prosperity. Even those who fail to take advantage of the opportunities afforded by this country or who do not succeed in their ventures will still benefit from the general prosperity generated by the American commercial republic. We who live in such a society, where standards of living and life expectancies dwarf anything else that the world has ever seen, are prone to take them for granted. We easily forget that a minimum-wage worker in America has a level of material comfort that even Louis XIV could not have imagined.

Free-market capitalism generates formidable levels of wealth, and it does so by tapping into that most stable and enduring of human passions: self-interest. Capitalism links rewards to efforts and as a result creates a strong incentive for all to exert themselves and work hard.

Alexander Hamilton, the preeminent Founder of our commercial republic, called the spirit of enterprise fostered by free markets “an inexhaustible mine of national wealth.”[37] As he wrote in Federalist No. 12, “The assiduous merchant, the laborious husbandman, the active mechanic, and the industrious manufacturer, all orders of men look forward with eager expectation and growing alacrity to this pleasing reward of their toils.”[38]

As a result, society as a whole benefits. Heritage’s global Index of Economic Freedom makes this abundantly clear. The correlation between economic freedom and prosperity is stunningly high, with more freedom translating into greater per capita income:

The broad consensus, supported by volumes of research, is that vibrant and lasting economic growth is achievable only when governments adopt economic policies that increase individual choice and opportunity, empowering and encouraging entrepreneurship.[39]

 

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19 hours ago, pokebball said:

They speak to the GOP controlled house as if it wasn't them, or that they weren't a part of it the last 6yrs.  They don't have the support in house to support what they want.  What's their next move?  Are they OK torpedoing every other solution to the detriment of America?

It's cheap and easy to sit back and criticize.  They can only influence to the degree they can.  To their demise, the moderates on both sides need to step up and do what's right for America.

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10 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

Look around you.

Travel to europe or ecuador or africa or mexico.  Then travel to japan, germany or england.

Look at any western capitalist democracy and the poor are usually better off then 90% of the population in any socialist authoritarian country.    The people who work at Walmart full time in the United States make more then the average citizen of Mexico.

It is has obvious a fact as there is.  Only a total moronic fool like SDdoubleD and the rest would argue for socializing large portion of an economy.  

 

There is not even one example of an economic output that does not support the primacy of a free capitalist economy helping the poor more then any other system.

 

“A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.” 
 Milton Friedman
“One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results.” 
 Milton Friedman

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/358771/capitalisms-triumph-michael-tanner

http://www.fff.org/2015/09/25/the-pope-socialism-and-capitalism/

Isn’t the answer obvious? If Americans want a peaceful, prosperous, harmonious, and free way of life, there is but one way to achieve that — by restoring and building on the principles of free markets, private property, free enterprise, and limited government on which our nation was founded. That necessarily means a dismantling, not a reform, of the welfare-warfare state apparatuses that liberals and conservatives grafted onto our federal governmental system.

http://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/report/defending-the-dream-why-income-inequality-doesnt-threaten-opportunity

 

General Prosperity. Even those who fail to take advantage of the opportunities afforded by this country or who do not succeed in their ventures will still benefit from the general prosperity generated by the American commercial republic. We who live in such a society, where standards of living and life expectancies dwarf anything else that the world has ever seen, are prone to take them for granted. We easily forget that a minimum-wage worker in America has a level of material comfort that even Louis XIV could not have imagined.

Free-market capitalism generates formidable levels of wealth, and it does so by tapping into that most stable and enduring of human passions: self-interest. Capitalism links rewards to efforts and as a result creates a strong incentive for all to exert themselves and work hard.

Alexander Hamilton, the preeminent Founder of our commercial republic, called the spirit of enterprise fostered by free markets “an inexhaustible mine of national wealth.”[37] As he wrote in Federalist No. 12, “The assiduous merchant, the laborious husbandman, the active mechanic, and the industrious manufacturer, all orders of men look forward with eager expectation and growing alacrity to this pleasing reward of their toils.”[38]

As a result, society as a whole benefits. Heritage’s global Index of Economic Freedom makes this abundantly clear. The correlation between economic freedom and prosperity is stunningly high, with more freedom translating into greater per capita income:

The broad consensus, supported by volumes of research, is that vibrant and lasting economic growth is achievable only when governments adopt economic policies that increase individual choice and opportunity, empowering and encouraging entrepreneurship.[39]

 

Tools much of what you write is true but those of us who used to be considered moderate Republican recognize cases where markets don't function well.  In these cases, government intervention is needed to shape a functioning market.  

Republican Roosevelt busted trusts 

Republican Bush dealt with acid rain via cap and trade.   

Such examples are anathema in today's Republican Party who religiously believe all markets function properly regardless of the evidence they do not.  And those who disagree a market functions are communists, stupid, Rhinos.  Pick your derogatory term.   

SD Dude is correct.  But sadly today's Republicans are riddled with people like you.  People who even when one side tries to create market solutions are derided and the goal posts are moved further right. 

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