pokebball Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, RoscoesDad said: F yeah! Freedom cacus didnt think this law screwed over enough lazy losers! That is the ticket to your success. A worse law that screws over more poor and old people. It's almost like you trabagging fools do not realize that all americans want access to cheap and accesible healthcare. Get a clue beavis. You think our healthcare is cheap? And you're calling us beavis? Yowkay! 3 Quote The World Needs More Cowboys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawlorfaithful Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, pokebball said: You think our healthcare is cheap? And you're calling us beavis? Yowkay! Shhhh, he's the kid with the propeller hat. Don't tell him unicorns aren't real. 3 Quote We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HR_Poke Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 18 hours ago, RoscoesDad said: F yeah! Freedom cacus didnt think this law screwed over enough lazy losers! That is the ticket to your success. A worse law that screws over more poor and old people. It's almost like you trabagging fools do not realize that all americans want access to cheap and accesible healthcare. Get a clue beavis. No you're right. We should offload the costs of healthcare on the middle class, young, and non profit health organizations like Obama care. Pure genius. Do the rest of us a favor and drink bleach so your idiocy stops screwing up the gene pool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HR_Poke Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 5 minutes ago, Joe from WY said: Yeah. But at least they'll be able to go to their ass-licking minions on twitter and say they're for "freedom" and "limited government" and "no taxes" What a bunch of losers. I've never understood their cult among the dimwitted. They're just loud obstructionists that talk a big game but are really just big government socialists when it boils down to it. Plus their followers just repeat ad nauseum the same groupthink mantra they put out. Really not much different than the SJW crowd on the left. Pretty much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akkula Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 On 3/24/2017 at 10:45 PM, bluerules009 said: Just because it didn't pass today doesn't mean there won't be repeal and reform. I suspect in 3 months we will here about another approach. In 5 months you will see a bill and maybe by the new year it will pass. In plenty of time to have kept promises and looked thoughtful while doing it. You people need to realize that Democrats will NEVER vote to repeal the ACA in the way that Republicans demand. This is a hard-right position that moderates in the Democratic party will never support. The moderate realization is the only thing worse than Obamacare was the system we had prior to Obamacare. Trying to go back in time or reinvent the system would be a worse outcome and we would just have to relive all of the growing pains again. We don't repeal and replace Social Security and Medicare every time it needs to be tweaked or formulas adjusted. Democrats will only vote for targeted reforms to address some of the specific issues with the law. If Trump wants Democratic support he will need to scrap the repeal and replace mantra and go for targeted reforms that improve the American healthcare system. He needs to be thinking about reforms that will help those mid-western swing districts and ignore the hard right in southern districts he will win anyway. Paul Ryan, as a hard-right ideologue, may need to be repealed and replaced if he doesn't decide to "play ball" with the Democrats to vote on middle of the road legislation. We will see if Trump is smart or if he decides to try to ride or die with the freedom caucus. If he does that his presidency will be in shambles because they will never compromise on anything to allow legislation to advance. They will only allow hard right legislation to get through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Bauer Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 23 hours ago, mysfit said: Freedom caucus will not be bullied. If Ryan and Trump want to get anything done, other than flat out dismantling the government, they will have to work with the Dems. They will need to govern closer to center, but I doubt they can manage that. It isn't about governing anymore, it's about "winning" and screwing the opposition. Not to mention the average person. Like the Dems worked with the Rs on the first law we got? Good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 6 minutes ago, Joe from WY said: Call me crazy, but I preferred the pre-Obamacare system. With reason. The current system puts too much burden on young people. Everyone agrees it needs to be adjusted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 10 minutes ago, Jack Bauer said: Like the Dems worked with the Rs on the first law we got? Good stuff. Does finger pointing backwards really help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Akkula said: You people need to realize that Democrats will NEVER vote to repeal the ACA in the way that Republicans demand. This is a hard-right position that moderates in the Democratic party will never support. The moderate realization is the only thing worse than Obamacare was the system we had prior to Obamacare. Trying to go back in time or reinvent the system would be a worse outcome and we would just have to relive all of the growing pains again. We don't repeal and replace Social Security and Medicare every time it needs to be tweaked or formulas adjusted. Democrats will only vote for targeted reforms to address some of the specific issues with the law. If Trump wants Democratic support he will need to scrap the repeal and replace mantra and go for targeted reforms that improve the American healthcare system. He needs to be thinking about reforms that will help those mid-western swing districts and ignore the hard right in southern districts he will win anyway. Paul Ryan, as a hard-right ideologue, may need to be repealed and replaced if he doesn't decide to "play ball" with the Democrats to vote on middle of the road legislation. We will see if Trump is smart or if he decides to try to ride or die with the freedom caucus. If he does that his presidency will be in shambles because they will never compromise on anything to allow legislation to advance. They will only allow hard right legislation to get through. Apparently moderates in the Republican Party won't support it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Bauer Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 35 minutes ago, sactowndog said: Does finger pointing backwards really help? No, but I'm tired of people acting like there was compromise and bipartisan support of the first law. There wasn't. The reason we have the mess we have is because the current law was forced down our throats without compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akkula Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 19 minutes ago, Jack Bauer said: No, but I'm tired of people acting like there was compromise and bipartisan support of the first law. There wasn't. The reason we have the mess we have is because the current law was forced down our throats without compromise. There wasn't because congressional Republicans wanted to defeat Obama no matter what and wouldn't contribute any votes no matter what he did. Please don't rewrite history because we can all remember. The entire Republican party pulled a "Freedom Caucus" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackmormon Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Jack Bauer said: Like the Dems worked with the Rs on the first law we got? Good stuff. The entire law was proposed by the Rs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysfit Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Jack Bauer said: Like the Dems worked with the Rs on the first law we got? Good stuff. The Dems managed to get their bill passed. How's the GOP doing? 0 for 1 isn't it? Good stuff Quote One of the Final Five.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Bauer Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 52 minutes ago, Akkula said: There wasn't because congressional Republicans wanted to defeat Obama no matter what and wouldn't contribute any votes no matter what he did. Please don't rewrite history because we can all remember. The entire Republican party pulled a "Freedom Caucus" It has nothing to do with that. They didn't like the law, they knew they were going to get it shoved down their throats, and they didn't want any of their names associated with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Bauer Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, mysfit said: The Dems managed to get their bill passed. How's the GOP doing? 0 for 1 isn't it? Good stuff That's irrelevant. They passed a bad law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysfit Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 The reason we have a mess is because there isn't bipartisan compromise and cooperation. And if you want to point fingers, which isn't at all helpful, you ca look to both sides with the lions share of it being on the party of NO who has gotten more and more extreme and uncompromising. The party which ran out all moderates. The party which now has majorities in Congress and the WH and STILL CAN'T GET IT DONE! It isn't making claims of past bipartisanship, which I NEVER did, Mr Defensive, to point out the rather obvious truth that if the GOP controlled government wants to get anything done they are going to have to look across the aisle. They don't have the leadership to turn their little party of no into a cohesive group. Not with the Tuesday group and the HFC on the same team. Quote One of the Final Five.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysfit Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jack Bauer said: That's irrelevant. They passed a bad law. Come on Jack, you're better than that. Quote One of the Final Five.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawlorfaithful Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 24 minutes ago, jackmormon said: The entire law was proposed by the Rs... Really? How many Rs voted for it? Quote We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysfit Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 A law which now enjoys majority support.....a law which needs to be fixed, yes. But this bill wasn't a fix, it was a tax cut for the wealthy. If the GOP wants to fix it, they need the Dems. But the fact is, they don't want to fix it and even if they did, they have no clue how to. All they know how to do is tear things down. Not build them up. Quote One of the Final Five.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Bauer Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 7 minutes ago, mysfit said: The reason we have a mess is because there isn't bipartisan compromise and cooperation. And if you want to point fingers, which isn't at all helpful, you ca look to both sides with the lions share of it being on the party of NO who has gotten more and more extreme and uncompromising. The party which ran out all moderates. The party which now has majorities in Congress and the WH and STILL CAN'T GET IT DONE! It isn't making claims of past bipartisanship, which I NEVER did, Mr Defensive, to point out the rather obvious truth that if the GOP controlled government wants to get anything done they are going to have to look across the aisle. They don't have the leadership to turn their little party of no into a cohesive group. Not with the Tuesday group and the HFC on the same team. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...