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It's a win/win for the Ds either way.  If the house approves it, the senate will just shoot it down and then it will get kicked back and forth for at least a couple of years.  If the house does not approve, it's a huge loss for Trump and will just devolve into a couple of years of the Rs attacking each other and throwing fellow cons under the bus, just like Trump will do to Paul Ryan today if it does not pass.  And in either situation, Obamacare continues to get more popular with the people as they realize there is no magic bullet solution to decrease premiums and deductibles while also increasing access.  

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31 minutes ago, RoscoesDad said:

It's a win/win for the Ds either way.  If the house approves it, the senate will just shoot it down and then it will get kicked back and forth for at least a couple of years.  If the house does not approve, it's a huge loss for Trump and will just devolve into a couple of years of the Rs attacking each other and throwing fellow cons under the bus, just like Trump will do to Paul Ryan today if it does not pass.  And in either situation, Obamacare continues to get more popular with the people as they realize there is no magic bullet solution to decrease premiums and deductibles while also increasing access.  

You're right about the infighting but that last sentence is utter nonsense. The goodies have run out, Obamacare premiums are going to be exploding going forward. The hikes this year were only the beginning. Whichever party can effectively blame the other for Obamacare will be the short term winner.

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10 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

You're right about the infighting but that last sentence is utter nonsense. The goodies have run out, Obamacare premiums are going to be exploding going forward. The hikes this year were only the beginning. Whichever party can effectively blame the other for Obamacare will be the short term winner.

In Oct 2016 it was 40% approval to 49% disapprove.  Today those #s are 48% approve vs. 43% disapprove.  I am no math major, but that seems like more people are approving of the ACA than before now that people are starting to realize the solution is worse.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html 

IMO, all this fuss over the new plan and how shitty it is (and how there is no real plan to replace with that isn't shitty),  is going to push senate into improving upon the existing ACA law.  Put the Ds on the spot and make them come to the table to work out a bi partisan solution to improve their own plan.  That can still be a win for the GOP.

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1 hour ago, RoscoesDad said:

It's a win/win for the Ds either way.  If the house approves it, the senate will just shoot it down and then it will get kicked back and forth for at least a couple of years.  If the house does not approve, it's a huge loss for Trump and will just devolve into a couple of years of the Rs attacking each other and throwing fellow cons under the bus, just like Trump will do to Paul Ryan today if it does not pass.  And in either situation, Obamacare continues to get more popular with the people as they realize there is no magic bullet solution to decrease premiums and deductibles while also increasing access.  

Don't you mean "having someone else pay" for "increased" access?

I think we ought to send this health care "right" back to the states and make them responsible.  If CA wants to insure, say, illegals, let them do it.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/30/californias-undocumented-kids-could-be-first-to-lose-medical-care-under-trump/

I don't care what they do with their own money - let them make the budgetary choices about who and what they can afford to cover.  

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48 minutes ago, RoscoesDad said:

In Oct 2016 it was 40% approval to 49% disapprove.  Today those #s are 48% approve vs. 43% disapprove.  I am no math major, but that seems like more people are approving of the ACA than before now that people are starting to realize the solution is worse.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html 

IMO, all this fuss over the new plan and how shitty it is (and how there is no real plan to replace with that isn't shitty),  is going to push senate into improving upon the existing ACA law.  Put the Ds on the spot and make them come to the table to work out a bi partisan solution to improve their own plan.  That can still be a win for the GOP.

Polls are only as useful as the last one. Wait til November when next year's rates come out and check again.

There is no way the Senate Republicans help the Democrats fix Obamacare. They are going to have it repealed, even if they replace it with the exact same bill. Democrats will never vote to repeal it this cycle. If it can't be repealed they are going to let it circle the drain another year and hope to win the war of public opinion.

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2 hours ago, RoscoesDad said:

It's a win/win for the Ds either way.  If the house approves it, the senate will just shoot it down and then it will get kicked back and forth for at least a couple of years.  If the house does not approve, it's a huge loss for Trump and will just devolve into a couple of years of the Rs attacking each other and throwing fellow cons under the bus, just like Trump will do to Paul Ryan today if it does not pass.  And in either situation, Obamacare continues to get more popular with the people as they realize there is no magic bullet solution to decrease premiums and deductibles while also increasing access.  

Obamacare will implode in the next 12 months, republicans would be better off to let that happen so democrats get discredited before fixing it.

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15 minutes ago, CPslograd said:

The Freedom Caucus just votes against everything and preaches from their soapbox.  They're ridiculous.

They ran against this stuff and in voting against it they are keeping their campaign promises.  I realize that is something you aren't used too.

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10 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

Obamacare will implode in the next 12 months, republicans would be better off to let that happen so democrats get discredited before fixing it.

I agree, but the left will pin it on Trump.

I wish Trump would have tackled tax reform first.  In the meantime, Obamacare would have started the crash and burn in the meantime, making the fix, any fix, more palatable.

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2 hours ago, RoscoesDad said:

It's a win/win for the Ds either way.  If the house approves it, the senate will just shoot it down and then it will get kicked back and forth for at least a couple of years.  If the house does not approve, it's a huge loss for Trump and will just devolve into a couple of years of the Rs attacking each other and throwing fellow cons under the bus, just like Trump will do to Paul Ryan today if it does not pass.  And in either situation, Obamacare continues to get more popular with the people as they realize there is no magic bullet solution to decrease premiums and deductibles while also increasing access.  

Well....Trump did promise we would get tired of winning!B)

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9 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

They ran against this stuff and in voting against it they are keeping their campaign promises.  I realize that is something you aren't used too.

Well, you can be pure as the driven snow if you want, but then nothing happens.

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5 minutes ago, CPslograd said:

Well, you can be pure as the driven snow if you want, but then nothing happens.  If a hockey goal keeper does his job nothing happens either, but he is hailed as a hero.

They were able to force the sequestration requirements into law in 2012 which cut our national debt by over $3 trillion by the time Obama left office.   They have been able to keep congress from passing several fiscally irresponsible bills.   I think they have accomplished a lot.  Considering there are only about 30 of them they have been very effective.

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30 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

They were able to force the sequestration requirements into law in 2012 which cut our national debt by over $3 trillion by the time Obama left office.   They have been able to keep congress from passing several fiscally irresponsible bills.   I think they have accomplished a lot.  Considering there are only about 30 of them they have been very effective.

They just accomplished keeping a ridiculously fiscally irresponsible law in place, instead of a slightly less fiscally irresponsible law.

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4 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

They just accomplished keeping a ridiculously fiscally irresponsible law in place of a slightly less fiscally irresponsible law.

We don't know what they have accomplished as of yet.  Republicans still have to deal with this issue and all they have done is force a longer process so far.

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5 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

We don't know what they have accomplished as of yet.  Republicans still have to deal with this issue and all they have done is force a longer process so far.

Well, our leverage isn't going to get any better.  It's going to get far worse.

It's not like we are going to get to just watch Obamacare collapse.  Once it starts failing, the democrats will say we have to poor more money into it, and trot out some poor kid that is going to lose his coverage.  So we'll wind up throwing more money at it.

Then it will eventually fail, and the democrats will put single payer in the next time they have the whole ball of wax.  Which was always their plan anyway.

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