toonkee Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 21 minutes ago, Packman04 said: I saw that game, at least half were duke fans A testament to Las Vegas and UNLV. Good luck getting 9,000 Duke fans to Reno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosegreen Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 3 hours ago, ph90702 said: You can live in your bubble, but look no further than Menzies' post game comments. He pretty much telegraphed that some of these guys aren't sticking around. Not just his comments on the roster but specifically that some players do not understand the UNLV brand. He seems pretty unsettled by the lack of progress with these guys and you might say he's lost some of the players. They'll need to go. Given that, I still think we're looking at 3-4 additional newcomers in the offseason at minimum in addition to those that already committed. Should be much more talented and deeper roster next year. Menzies and co. chief asset ( like Dave Rice) is recruiting and he'll need to upgrade the talent pool significantly next year. I don't have any doubt about Menzies getting talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packman04 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 13 minutes ago, toonkee said: A testament to Las Vegas and UNLV. Good luck getting 9,000 Duke fans to Reno. True, and I never said we would have ever accomplished that. Congrats on being an A-pipe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lester_in_reno Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 15 minutes ago, Packman04 said: True, and I never said we would have ever accomplished that. Congrats on being an A-pipe LMAO. his insecurity is epic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonkee Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 46 minutes ago, Packman04 said: True, and I never said we would have ever accomplished that. Congrats on being an A-pipe I see most of your comments on this thread have been very civil but I took the "half of them were Duke fans" jab as a bit of smack talk so I responded in kind. Also, you've referred to me as an ass-pipe? and you called Roscoe's Dad "bro". Just saying the road you're on may not be as high as you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packman04 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 41 minutes ago, toonkee said: I see most of your comments on this thread have been very civil but I took the "half of them were Duke fans" jab as a bit of smack talk so I responded in kind. Also, you've referred to me as an ass-pipe? and you called Roscoe's Dad "bro". Just saying the road you're on may not be as high as you think. Fair enough and it was a half jab so your response was warranted. My bad...I do try to be respectful but do fall short of that goal often. As for the road I'm on I completely realize I can't control or worry about what people think of me. Again I do apologize for playing the name calling game. I enjoy a bit of smack talking, but personal attacks, from me, are lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonkee Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 11 minutes ago, Packman04 said: Fair enough and it was a half jab so your response was warranted. My bad...I do try to be respectful but do fall short of that goal often. As for the road I'm on I completely realize I can't control or worry about what people think of me. Again I do apologize for playing the name calling game. I enjoy a bit of smack talking, but personal attacks, from me, are lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNLV2001 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 14 hours ago, BestintheWest said: No hes not. Why would he clean house? I can see guys like Poyser and Clyburn bouncing, but Mooring and the freshmen need to stay. Dwayne Morgan healthy and Johnson eligible. Anthony Smith should contribute right away. Bring in Lamine Diane and McCoy and you have a pretty damn solid roster...at least a middle of the pack MWC team. You don't just keep hitting the reset button every year. You rally around the pieces you do have and then go from there. He's barely 10 months on the job. Hitting reset once again would set the program right back to where it was last offseason unless he lands some huge transfers and remaining recruits. I don't see MM clearing the roster either - UNLV loses Uche Ofoegbu, Tyrell Green & Christian Jones as seniors & there's no real loss in those three I think Cheickna Dembele Dwayne Morgan Jovan Mooring Zion Morgan Kris Clyburn all return Troy Baxter Jr. Jalen Poyser Djordjije Sljivancanin Ben Coupet Jr. - Any of these players could transfer.....of this group, I'd prefer to keep Baxter of all of them Biggest question is WTF happened to Poyser as the season moved from non-conference to MWC games........Poyser just had the wheels come off. Not sure if it's a mental thing or a coaching thing but it might be the cause for Poyser to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNLV2001 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Rosegreen said: He pretty much telegraphed that some of these guys aren't sticking around. Not just his comments on the roster but specifically that some players do not understand the UNLV brand. He seems pretty unsettled by the lack of progress with these guys and you might say he's lost some of the players. They'll need to go. Given that, I still think we're looking at 3-4 additional newcomers in the offseason at minimum in addition to those that already committed. Should be much more talented and deeper roster next year. Menzies and co. chief asset ( like Dave Rice) is recruiting and he'll need to upgrade the talent pool significantly next year. I don't have any doubt about Menzies getting talent. One selling point MM has to recruits is that they can get on the court right away and potentially have a solid 3 or 4 year run with a lot of playing time.......there isn't one starting spot spoken for going into next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNLV2001 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Marvin Menzies must tear up UNLV roster and start over http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/columns/ed-graney/marvin-menzies-must-tear-unlv-roster-and-start-over Excepts from the column: Marvin Menzies was a beaten man beyond just a scoreboard Saturday, the raw honesty of his emotional words rightly painting a picture of UNLV basketball in its current grim and unforgiving state. Major changes are coming, and that shouldn’t surprise anyone who has watched UNLV. Recruiting will dictate how large the renovation becomes for a UNLV team that has one signee and one oral commitment thus far for next season. When hired in April, Menzies signed bodies to fill out uniforms and field a team. Now, he needs to sign more legitimate ones to build a program, as many as he can before deciding which current names have a place. It can be brutal. I would think freshman Cheickna Dembele and juniors Jovan Mooring and Kris Clyburn are in those plans. Jordan Johnson, sitting out a transfer year from Milwaukee, will have one season remaining to fill the point guard spot. I have no idea about anyone else. How could you? Some will survive — you still need enough bodies to practice — but to believe many others will play a major role, or any for that matter, isn’t realistic for a side that is 10-19 overall and last at 3-13 in a terrible Mountain West. Coaches handle these things different ways, but there is almost always a discussion about how, while the program will most often renew a player’s scholarship if he has taken care of business in the classroom and been a model citizen and given maximum effort in practice and games, there is also a great chance he would never play another second for the team. In other words, you make it easy for the kid to decide his fate and move on. “We’re bad,” Menzies said. “I’m not going to say too much because I don’t want to say the wrong things. We have a long ways to go, obviously. I know what we’re doing works, but it is not working with this group.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mundyc3 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 I feel better with Menzies comments. It shows that him and his staff are the alpha-males and that there is a system in place that you need to buy into in order to remain with this program. He is setting a foundation. With Rice, the culture was that "Hey big name recruit, come to UNLV and do whatever you want and you'll get drafted". That is what always bugged me about his reign. I know he was a good offensive coach from his days at BYU, but he couldn't reign in his players because of the players and the way UNLV recruited them. I am optimistic that things will improve, especially with Jordan Johnson being with Coach Menzies all year running the point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brillio Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 I know vegas will get back to their old selves, but until then I will enjoy these years 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph90702 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 4 hours ago, UNLV2001 said: I don't see MM clearing the roster either - UNLV loses Uche Ofoegbu, Tyrell Green & Christian Jones as seniors & there's no real loss in those three I think Cheickna Dembele Dwayne Morgan Jovan Mooring Zion Morgan Kris Clyburn all return Troy Baxter Jr. Jalen Poyser Djordjije Sljivancanin Ben Coupet Jr. - Any of these players could transfer.....of this group, I'd prefer to keep Baxter of all of them Biggest question is WTF happened to Poyser as the season moved from non-conference to MWC games........Poyser just had the wheels come off. Not sure if it's a mental thing or a coaching thing but it might be the cause for Poyser to move on. If the bottom four transfer, that is cleaning house to me. You're telling four underclassmen that they're not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 3 hours ago, ph90702 said: If the bottom four transfer, that is cleaning house to me. You're telling four underclassmen that they're not good enough. Are they good enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapdad Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 9 hours ago, Packman04 said: Fair enough and it was a half jab so your response was warranted. My bad...I do try to be respectful but do fall short of that goal often. As for the road I'm on I completely realize I can't control or worry about what people think of me. Again I do apologize for playing the name calling game. I enjoy a bit of smack talking, but personal attacks, from me, are lame. F*#k both of you! Just trying to get in on the make up beer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slappy Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 27 minutes ago, renoskier said: Are they good enough? MM sounds a little overwhelmed with trying to be a HC at this level. And nobody on that roster should be suiting up for a MW game. They are low level D1 kids and D2 kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonkee Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 10 minutes ago, Slapdad said: F*#k both of you! Just trying to get in on the make up beer! Absolutely! You're buying though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph90702 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 9 hours ago, renoskier said: Are they good enough? Poyser, Sljivancanin, and Coupet = No. Baxter = maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph90702 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 9 hours ago, slappy said: MM sounds a little overwhelmed with trying to be a HC at this level. And nobody on that roster should be suiting up for a MW game. They are low level D1 kids and D2 kids. That's absolutely false. There are some players who belong. Cheickna Dembele was recruited by Baylor, Michigan State, and Syracuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosegreen Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Only thing that overwhelms CMM is the lack of talent and the amount of suck on this roster. Guys like Mooring should be spark plugs coming off the bench, not playing 30 mins a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...