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1 hour ago, CPslograd said:

There are health safety concerns with vaccines.  

Just having a commission on it doesn't mean trump is anti vaccination or anti science.

Anti-vaccine people still cite Wakefield, whose FAKED study fueled the autism/vaccine nonsense. Trump met with that guy. He's pandering to the anti-vaccine crowd

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1 hour ago, CPslograd said:

There are health safety concerns with vaccines.  

Just having a commission on it doesn't mean trump is anti vaccination or anti science.

Like what?  https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/journal-club-debunks-anti-vaccine-myths/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/autism-vaccine-myth.html

http://sciencenordic.com/mmr-vaccine-science-exposes-biggest-myths

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2015/02/17/15-myths-about-anti-vaxxers-debunked-part-1/#4beb6b562655

 

Robert Kennedy Jr. has based his antiscience campaign on a constantly debunked myth based on autism.  It is completely antiscience and idiotic in the extreme.  There was an issue in live cultured vaccines decades ago leading to direct cases of heart failure.  Outside of that, nothing.

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1 hour ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Like what?  https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/journal-club-debunks-anti-vaccine-myths/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/autism-vaccine-myth.html

http://sciencenordic.com/mmr-vaccine-science-exposes-biggest-myths

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2015/02/17/15-myths-about-anti-vaxxers-debunked-part-1/#4beb6b562655

 

Robert Kennedy Jr. has based his antiscience campaign on a constantly debunked myth based on autism.  It is completely antiscience and idiotic in the extreme.  There was an issue in live cultured vaccines decades ago leading to direct cases of heart failure.  Outside of that, nothing.

You last statement is false.  What do you mean nothing?  Don't post a bunch of links jackmormon style, what the phuck is that?  Those links basically all say the risks are low, and that the public benefit outweighs the risk.  Which I agree with.  But you turn that into "outside of that nothing".  

People die every year from vaccinations, according to the CDC.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25598306  what's that come out to?  Eighty a year or so from the flu vaccine in the US every year?  

Do less people die than if we didn't immunize?  Of course.  But let's not pretend there are no risks or that the medical community is all knowing about possible dangers.

My kids were vaccinated and I don't blame my daughters autism on vaccinations.  But you dismiss legitimate concerns.

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43 minutes ago, renoskier said:

Isn't that what the FDA is for?

Well hell bud, we have commissions on everything under the sun in this country, regardless of whether or not there is a government agency/branch that has legal authority for the issue.  Shit, how many entitlements commissions have we had?

i understand you point, and yah, as far vaccine recommendations and schedules that should be handled by the FDC or CDC, and the medical community.  But if nothing else, we have to agree that the public losing confidence in immunization is a problem.  The government just spewing "vaccines good" hasn't been working.

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34 minutes ago, CPslograd said:

You last statement is false.  What do you mean nothing?  Don't post a bunch of links jackmormon style, what the phuck is that?  Those links basically all say the risks are low, and that the public benefit outweighs the risk.  Which I agree with.  But you turn that into "outside of that nothing".  

People die every year from vaccinations, according to the CDC.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25598306  what's that come out to?  Eighty a year or so from the flu vaccine in the US every year?  

Do less people die than if we didn't immunize?  Of course.  But let's not pretend there are no risks or that the medical community is all knowing about possible dangers.

My kids were vaccinated and I don't blame my daughters autism on vaccinations.  But you dismiss legitimate concerns.

Considering 30K a year die from the flue, almost all not having been vaccinated.  I think the vaccination saves thousands of lives.   Flue vaccination started in the 1930's and you see a dramatic drop in flue related deaths.

FIGURE 2

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374803/

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PH90702 must've been vaccinated quite a bit 

On 12/1/2016 at 12:26 PM, WyomingCoog said:

I own a vehicle likely worth more than everything you own combined and just flew first class (including a ticket for a 2 1/2 year old), round trip to Las Vegas and I'm not 35 yet. When you accomplish something outside of finishing a book, let me know. When's the last time you saw a 2 year old fly first class in their own seat? Don't tell me about elite.  

28 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

I’d happily compare IQ’s with you any day of the week.

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2 hours ago, CPslograd said:

You last statement is false.  What do you mean nothing?  Don't post a bunch of links jackmormon style, what the phuck is that?  Those links basically all say the risks are low, and that the public benefit outweighs the risk.  Which I agree with.  But you turn that into "outside of that nothing".  

People die every year from vaccinations, according to the CDC.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25598306  what's that come out to?  Eighty a year or so from the flu vaccine in the US every year?  

Do less people die than if we didn't immunize?  Of course.  But let's not pretend there are no risks or that the medical community is all knowing about possible dangers.

My kids were vaccinated and I don't blame my daughters autism on vaccinations.  But you dismiss legitimate concerns.

What I meant by nothing is that in the 70's live cultures for certain viruses were not properly vetted and it lead to some serious and preventable complications.  We have much stricter controls today.  We have a problem in that if 99.9% of the population is vaccinated and you choose to not vaccinate your kid then than that child will be statistically OK and not suffer the one in a million or so chance of a health complication from the vaccine.  The real issue is that if antiscience, anti vaccine parents start making up larger parts of the population we could see a resurgence of the terrible afflictions modern medicine has made nearly extinct in the next few decades.  

The flu vaccine is a different animal.  The numbers show that it saves tens of thousands of lives annually.  If 80 or so  year die because of it is still a huge net positive.

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Well Halfman you know that there is a very significant correlation between the percentage of the population that is vaccinated and deaths by heart disease, diabetes, and cancer right?

Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. 

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2 minutes ago, happycamper said:

Well Halfman you know that there is a very significant correlation between the percentage of the population that is vaccinated and deaths by heart disease, diabetes, and cancer right?

There is also an even larger correlation between supersized big macs, twinkies and diet coke with those diseases. People pick and choose what science they want to support their beliefs. For Kennedy, Climate Change science is good; for vaccines-bad; for GMOs bad.

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9 minutes ago, NMpackalum said:

There is also an even larger correlation between supersized big macs, twinkies and diet coke with those diseases. People pick and choose what science they want to support their beliefs. For Kennedy, Climate Change science is good; for vaccines-bad; for GMOs bad.

There is also a significant correlation between the percentage of the population that has been vaccinated and the percentage of the population receiving government aid in both monetary benefits and medical benefits. 

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1 minute ago, happycamper said:

There is also a significant correlation between the percentage of the population that has been vaccinated and the percentage of the population receiving government aid in both monetary benefits and medical benefits. 

There is also a larger correlation between poverty and those benefits. Anyway here is the largest study on autism risks among those vaccinated, unvaccinated and at higher risk already.

http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2275444

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2 minutes ago, NMpackalum said:

There is also a larger correlation between poverty and those benefits. Anyway here is the largest study on autism risks among those vaccinated, unvaccinated and at higher risk already.

http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2275444

There's also a large correlation between vaccination of the population and divorce rates

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47 minutes ago, happycamper said:

Well Halfman you know that there is a very significant correlation between the percentage of the population that is vaccinated and deaths by heart disease, diabetes, and cancer right?

Actually I find this interesting, do you have a link to an article, I can't find anything supporting this. I am curious if there is significant correlation.

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8 minutes ago, NMpackalum said:

Actually I find this interesting, do you have a link to an article, I can't find anything supporting this. I am curious if there is significant correlation.

There is a significant correlation to all of them because after vaccines became prevalent, people stopped dying of diseases so early ;)

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1 hour ago, happycamper said:

Well Halfman you know that there is a very significant correlation between the percentage of the population that is vaccinated and deaths by heart disease, diabetes, and cancer right?

I blame moon beams.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=54468.0

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1 hour ago, happycamper said:

There is a significant correlation to all of them because after vaccines became prevalent, people stopped dying of diseases so early ;)

Ah...  I get it. Saving live with vaccines increases the incidence of everything. Very poetic.

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