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UNLV/NFL Stadium (Next up is the NFL Approval for the Raiders to move to Vegas)

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1 hour ago, CockyUNLVPoster said:

Years and years of tears.  What else can you say?

It would be sad if the average building had a life expectancy of only 50 years. The average college football stadium with its two handful of annual events should see a lot less wear and tear than the average office building or whatever. So is it just shitty build quality?

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36 minutes ago, Nevada Convert said:

Oh stop!!

Not saying it will or when it will happen, but UNLV at least has the potential to go P5. Always amusing to watch UNR fans most quickly "scoff" at this and denounce it. Deep down because they know UNR has reached it's ceiling and LV and UNLV have a much brighter future then they ever will. 

Also still seem to be living with that little brother complex and memory of languishing in the WAC and wanting to join us in the MWC. Gonna suck when it happens again...

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3 minutes ago, I am Ram said:

It would be sad if the average building had a life expectancy of only 50 years. The average college football stadium with its two handful of annual events should see a lot less wear and tear than the average office building or whatever. So is it just shitty build quality?

I can't speak for other cities but, Vegas is always trying to reinvent itself.  We've imploded more hotel/casinos in the last 50 years to make room for something bigger and better.  It is just what I have learned to expect.  

As for our current stadium I personally don't have a problem with it.  People complain about it's distance from our campus (8 miles).  Some complain about the unpaved parking lot but, that unpaved parking lot isn't even owned by UNLV.  I personally like the Sam Boyd stadium but, I won't mind the new stadium as it will be a shorter drive for me.  Sure Sam Boyd needs a new locker room but, outside of that it isn't half bad.

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2 hours ago, I am Ram said:

Other than the fact that the 60s weren't exactly the most glorious times in architecture, why do all these stadiums crumble away after just 40 or 50 years, especially in the desert?

in california, an earthquake or two (or 100, lol) may have had an effect. building codes in the 60s didn't help.

as for vegas, our hotels weren't imploded because they were crumbling, they were just outdated and 'needed' more bling. :P because it's vegas.

 

1 hour ago, CockyUNLVPoster said:

We are making progress for a school that is only 59 years old.  In addition to our Medical School, Dental School, Law School, Architectural School, and our highly rated Hotel Administration program we just need to get to that Tier 1 level.  Overshadowed by the Fertitta Football Practice facility announced recently and now the Stadium is the 5 year $5,000,000 collaborative agreement with Lockheed Martin for our students and faculty to work with that company's engineers and scientists on space exploration projects.  Baby steps for sure but, we are on the right path.  http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/education/unlv-joins-lockheed-martin-work-space-exploration-projects

this is a big deal that was definitely overshadowed by all the rest of the news in las vegas in the last couple of weeks. the engineering school has always been a well respected program, and it just got a lot better.

academics at unlv are on the rise.

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1 hour ago, Greedy Reb said:

Not saying it will or when it will happen, but UNLV at least has the potential to go P5. Always amusing to watch UNR fans most quickly "scoff" at this and denounce it. Deep down because they know UNR has reached it's ceiling and LV and UNLV have a much brighter future then they ever will. 

Also still seem to be living with that little brother complex and memory of languishing in the WAC and wanting to join us in the MWC. Gonna suck when it happens again...

That's exactly it. I am devastated by your news, and I've been reduced to a tiny puddle on the ground, 

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2 hours ago, I am Ram said:

It would be sad if the average building had a life expectancy of only 50 years. The average college football stadium with its two handful of annual events should see a lot less wear and tear than the average office building or whatever. So is it just shitty build quality?

So many stadiums that were built 50 years ago were poorly thought out.  Location, construction, whatever.  I think modern considerations will allow new stadiums to outlast that 50 year mark by a big margin.  Also, as you pointed out, 50 years ago stadiums were just concrete bunkers meant to be inhabited a handful of times.  Nowadays, there seems to be a lot more emphasis given to a stadium being a building rather than just a structure.

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39 minutes ago, Headbutt said:

So many stadiums that were built 50 years ago were poorly thought out.  Location, construction, whatever.  I think modern considerations will allow new stadiums to outlast that 50 year mark by a big margin.  Also, as you pointed out, 50 years ago stadiums were just concrete bunkers meant to be inhabited a handful of times.  Nowadays, there seems to be a lot more emphasis given to a stadium being a building rather than just a structure.

Poorly thought out by today's standard.  When Sam Boyd was approved to be built we might have had 250,000 people living in the Vegas Valley. It was also viewed as my high school's home field on our home game day.  I don't recall why they chose that site other than it must have been dirt cheap.

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3 hours ago, 4UNLV said:

in california, an earthquake or two (or 100, lol) may have had an effect. building codes in the 60s didn't help.

as for vegas, our hotels weren't imploded because they were crumbling, they were just outdated and 'needed' more bling. :P because it's vegas.

 

this is a big deal that was definitely overshadowed by all the rest of the news in las vegas in the last couple of weeks. the engineering school has always been a well respected program, and it just got a lot better.

academics at unlv are on the rise.

This is the first time I've heard about the Lockheed partnership.  Pretty neat!

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10 hours ago, Wyovanian said:

I still think there's another shoe yet to drop in Oakland. Now that Nevada, Clark County, and LV have shown their willingness to put up taxpayer money for Adelson and Davis, will Oakland/ Alameda County ante up for a hand in the game?

Short answer...

 

No.

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9 hours ago, Nevada Convert said:

That's exactly it. I am devastated by your news, and I've been reduced to a tiny puddle on the ground, 

Well you sure seem to invest a bunch of time and energy dismissing the notion of UNLV going P5 at some point. You know what they say about those who protest too much...

Bottom line is if your mortgage was on the line and you had to answer honestly, you would admit that UNLV has a chance of going P5 and UNR has reached it's ceiling. Getting a new 2 billion dollar stadium only reinforces that reality for you and everyone else; Vegas is different and has a much higher ceiling than Reno does and ever could. 

Deal with it. 

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3 minutes ago, Greedy Reb said:

Well you sure seem to invest a bunch of time and energy dismissing the notion of UNLV going P5 at some point. You know what they say about those who protest too much...

Bottom line is if your mortgage was on the line and you had to answer honestly, you would admit that UNLV has a chance of going P5 and UNR has reached it's ceiling. Getting a new 2 billion dollar stadium only reinforces that reality for you and everyone else; Vegas is different and has a much higher ceiling than Reno does and ever could. 

Deal with it. 

In retrospect one thing this stadium project has done has made stronger connections for UNLV and President Jessup to the gaming/hotel leaders.  There is still a lot of opportunity to tap into those resources.  However, President Jessup needs to get us a dynamic Athletic Director as quickly as possible to help cultivate those connections.  Whether they like it or not our futures are intertwined in this stadium.  I can't help but feel they would want our football team to succeed in the new stadium.  Our success will be a reflection of all of Las Vegas in this new venue.  We need to get after the MGM and Caesars Entertainment Corporation.  They aren't giving anything to the stadium project financially but, were there supporting this project with their testimony to the legislature.  One of our Legislators, Assemblyman Moore,  was very direct and blunt in speaking to former mayor and current vice-president of Caesars Jan Jones-Blackhurst in asking her why they were not contributing to this project.  I couldn't help but feel she and Caesars were publicly put on the spot.  But, I wouldn't look at it as a negative but as an opportunity if we can get the right AD to get after these people for their support. 

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Since the Raiders look for new digs every 11-12 years, how long are the tax payers on the hook for? It seems like there are $800+ million in required infrastructure improvements outside of the room tax. That's a lot for 8 games a season especially if the Raiders are back to Oakland in 10 years 

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13 hours ago, CockyUNLVPoster said:

As for our current stadium I personally don't have a problem with it.  People complain about it's distance from our campus (8 miles).  Some complain about the unpaved parking lot but, that unpaved parking lot isn't even owned by UNLV.  I personally like the Sam Boyd stadium but, I won't mind the new stadium as it will be a shorter drive for me.  Sure Sam Boyd needs a new locker room but, outside of that it isn't half bad.

 

10 hours ago, CockyUNLVPoster said:

Poorly thought out by today's standard.  When Sam Boyd was approved to be built we might have had 250,000 people living in the Vegas Valley. It was also viewed as my high school's home field on our home game day.  I don't recall why they chose that site other than it must have been dirt cheap.

I would rather drive farther and have easy/quick/cheap parking.

From everything I've heard the placement of Sam Boyd stadium out by the sewage treatment swamps when UNLV could have had ample FREE land in the Trop/Decatur area was part of shady profiteering politics and LVCVA corruption that makes the current stadium politics look almost legitimate by comparison.

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3 hours ago, CockyUNLVPoster said:

In retrospect one thing this stadium project has done has made stronger connections for UNLV and President Jessup to the gaming/hotel leaders.  There is still a lot of opportunity to tap into those resources.  However, President Jessup needs to get us a dynamic Athletic Director as quickly as possible to help cultivate those connections.  Whether they like it or not our futures are intertwined in this stadium.  I can't help but feel they would want our football team to succeed in the new stadium.  Our success will be a reflection of all of Las Vegas in this new venue.  We need to get after the MGM and Caesars Entertainment Corporation.  They aren't giving anything to the stadium project financially but, were there supporting this project with their testimony to the legislature.  One of our Legislators, Assemblyman Moore,  was very direct and blunt in speaking to former mayor and current vice-president of Caesars Jan Jones-Blackhurst in asking her why they were not contributing to this project.  I couldn't help but feel she and Caesars were publicly put on the spot.  But, I wouldn't look at it as a negative but as an opportunity if we can get the right AD to get after these people for their support. 

it should not take much to get jan jones on board, she used to be a huge supporter of unlv. as you said, now that they are all intertwined, it might be possible to get all these corps to work together for everyone's benefit. the stadium will benefit all if they get it together.

new AD needs to happen ASAP. jessup needs to hire a search firm and get it right.

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from San Diego's experience when dealing with the NFL, team owner and their sponsors ... what I can tell you is this:

it will be all cordial and coopertive in the beginning ... but it will quickly evolve into a one-sided financial arrangement for the benefit of the NFL

It will all happen covertly as contracts are re-worked in private and and agreements restructured over some convoluted reason or another -- each time redirecting more money, resources and authority to the team and its sponsors.

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3 hours ago, NMpackalum said:

Since the Raiders look for new digs every 11-12 years, how long are the tax payers on the hook for? It seems like there are $800+ million in required infrastructure improvements outside of the room tax. That's a lot for 8 games a season especially if the Raiders are back to Oakland in 10 years 

The stadium isn't just about the Raiders. It isn't even mostly about the Raiders (at least originally it wasn't, but has morphed in the last few months). It's about getting large special events. Now if the Raiders fall thru before construction, the ball goes to UNLV's court, and we probably get a smaller stadium, but still one that can host events that we currently cannot in Vegas. As you say, the Raiders are vagabonds... no worries. If they leave in 10 yrs., we will still have a ton of events by that time to pay the note. Look at what Jerry's World has managed to pull in (outside NFL games). Vegas will attract more. I have 0 concerns about this project paying for itself with or without the Raiders.

And the infrastructure improvements (assuming you are talking about the NDOT report as it used the $800 million figure) were already planned before the stadium sites were even discussed. They were just planned for further down the line, and are now being moved to the front of the line. It may be just a happy coincidence that these projects were planned to serve the proposed stadium sites, or it might have been something that was actually discussed when siting the project? Hmmmm....

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3 hours ago, NMpackalum said:

Since the Raiders look for new digs every 11-12 years, how long are the tax payers on the hook for? It seems like there are $800+ million in required infrastructure improvements outside of the room tax. That's a lot for 8 games a season especially if the Raiders are back to Oakland in 10 years 

Those infrastructure improvements were already slated before the stadium. Also there will be many more events than 8 Raider games every year. 

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4 hours ago, Greedy Reb said:

Well you sure seem to invest a bunch of time and energy dismissing the notion of UNLV going P5 at some point. You know what they say about those who protest too much...

Bottom line is if your mortgage was on the line and you had to answer honestly, you would admit that UNLV has a chance of going P5 and UNR has reached it's ceiling. Getting a new 2 billion dollar stadium only reinforces that reality for you and everyone else; Vegas is different and has a much higher ceiling than Reno does and ever could. 

Deal with it. 

Oh dear god. There has been a ton of civil discussion about the stadium on this board between fans of both schools.  Not sure what you're talking about. I personally have never discounted Vegas' ability or stomach to spend money on sports. It just spent $80 million on an upgrade to the T&M. I think the schools have very different concepts of how it should spend money. 

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