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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/sen-ted-cruz-2016-presidential-bid-116285.html?hp=t1_r

Cruz is the first to throw his hat in the ring.

Like I said before, he can't win. But he will cause a lot of grief for some people in Iowa and most likely sink enough candidates that the field of true contenders will be down to 2 or 3 at the most.

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/sen-ted-cruz-2016-presidential-bid-116285.html?hp=t1_r

Cruz is the first to throw his hat in the ring.

Like I said before, he can't win. But he will cause a lot of grief for some people in Iowa and most likely sink enough candidates that the field of true contenders will be down to 2 or 3 at the most.

 

Bush announced in December.

 

http://time.com/3635737/jeb-bush-announces-presidential-exploratory-run/

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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/sen-ted-cruz-2016-presidential-bid-116285.html?hp=t1_r

Cruz is the first to throw his hat in the ring.

Like I said before, he can't win. But he will cause a lot of grief for some people in Iowa and most likely sink enough candidates that the field of true contenders will be down to 2 or 3 at the most.

 

I wonder if the Dems will cry and ++++ the way the GOP has about whether or not this buffoon can run for president. 

I can't sing and I can't dance but I can make romance - Macho Man Randy Savage

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I wonder if the Dems will cry and ++++ the way the GOP has about whether or not this buffoon can run for president. 

I'm wondering if GOP "birthers" will turn on one of their own & attack Cruz about his birth certificate!??!

 

Maybe not though, those were some crazy republicans & Cruz appeals to the GOP nut jobs 

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It's been clear for a long time who has been running. The Politico article said he was the first to launch his campaign so I just went and started a thread.

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I wonder if the Dems will cry and ++++ the way the GOP has about whether or not this buffoon can run for president.

I doubt he gets far enough or becomes a big enough threat to win that much will come of it.

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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I'm wondering if GOP "birthers" will turn on one of their own & attack Cruz about his birth certificate!??!

Maybe not though, those were some crazy republicans & Cruz appeals to the GOP nut jobs

I bet none of the birthers will utter a peep about Cruz being born in Canada. In politics, hypocrisy is the one thing people on both sides always have in common.

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Sorry, I know this is a little off topic.

 

But the biggest problem for the GOP in a presidential election isn't the increasing minority vote, because that's offset by the Dems continuing to bleed out in regards to working class white voters.

 

The problem in this trench warfare we have now, is Virginia.  Ohio is static, and if anything the demographic trends should slightly favor Republicans.  Florida is more dynamic, but the there are different trends working against each other that kind of cancel each other out.

 

But VA is bad news.  DC metro area is always going to be liberal, and it keeps getting bigger.  It's going to get harder and harder to overcome the Northern VA vote for the GOP.  Without VA the GOP path to victory doesn't work on the electoral map.  They'd have to try to build a new coalition.  North Carolina is a problem too.

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The GOP is effectively the party of (mostly rich) emigres from Commuinst nations (Cuba, USSR, China) and white people. The problem is that their social values actually appeal more to immigrants (especially first generation) if they simply muted their (Protestant) Christian and jingoistic tones. However, "family values" are passe for young whites and jingoism is a core plank of the Republican over-50 appeal. At the same time, I suspect only the culturally American (or those scarred by Communism) and/or the rich would support Republican economic policies.

I personally wouldn't mind voting for a party that was economically socialist but socially conservative but sadly such a party doesn't exist in the USA.

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The GOP is effectively the party of (mostly rich) emigres from Commuinst nations (Cuba, USSR, China) and white people. The problem is that their social values actually appeal more to immigrants (especially first generation) if they simply muted their (Protestant) Christian and jingoistic tones. However, "family values" are passe for young whites and jingoism is a core plank of the Republican over-50 appeal. At the same time, I suspect only the culturally American (or those scarred by Communism) and/or the rich would support Republican economic policies.

I personally wouldn't mind voting for a party that was economically socialist but socially conservative but sadly such a party doesn't exist in the USA.

I'll support the flip side. I'll support the economically conservative socially libertarian candidate.

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The GOP is effectively the party of (mostly rich) emigres from Commuinst nations (Cuba, USSR, China) and white people. The problem is that their social values actually appeal more to immigrants (especially first generation) if they simply muted their (Protestant) Christian and jingoistic tones. However, "family values" are passe for young whites and jingoism is a core plank of the Republican over-50 appeal. At the same time, I suspect only the culturally American (or those scarred by Communism) and/or the rich would support Republican economic policies.

I personally wouldn't mind voting for a party that was economically socialist but socially conservative but sadly such a party doesn't exist in the USA.

The GOP is (well, used to be) a bigger tent party than the Democrats. While it's true that many of the more vocal Republicans are very lasseiz-faire, in each of the two election cycles the more centrist candidate won the nomination. The Democrats increasingly seem to be making room for Wall Street and lower middle class down; the upper middle to lower upper/professional and SBO/petit bourgouis are already solidly republican and will continue to keep at least the presidential nominee to the center. The GOP's biggest money will push the libertarian side but the bulk of the GOP voters- suburbia and retirees- are more interested in the status quo with a little more fiscal discipline. 

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The GOP is (well, used to be) a bigger tent party than the Democrats. While it's true that many of the more vocal Republicans are very lasseiz-faire, in each of the two election cycles the more centrist candidate won the nomination. The Democrats increasingly seem to be making room for Wall Street and lower middle class down; the upper middle to lower upper/professional and SBO/petit bourgouis are already solidly republican and will continue to keep at least the presidential nominee to the center. The GOP's biggest money will push the libertarian side but the bulk of the GOP voters- suburbia and retirees- are more interested in the status quo with a little more fiscal discipline. 

This demo was and still is the democratic base- middle to lower income working people - that's why unions lean D 95% of the time. Been that way since the 1932 election at least.............before that progressive republicans like Teddy Roosevelt were champions of the working class.

 

The wealthy have been the GOP base since then too.

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