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Glad you took the time to post your opinion.

I think he meant RebRun

On 12/1/2016 at 12:26 PM, WyomingCoog said:

I own a vehicle likely worth more than everything you own combined and just flew first class (including a ticket for a 2 1/2 year old), round trip to Las Vegas and I'm not 35 yet. When you accomplish something outside of finishing a book, let me know. When's the last time you saw a 2 year old fly first class in their own seat? Don't tell me about elite.  

28 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

I’d happily compare IQ’s with you any day of the week.

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Polarized would be a better on here. But, as baron is trying to convey, the circle jerkers in question won't stfu about the same point, in every thread for what seems to be the beginning of time on the MWC board. The circle jerkers are getting off on negative bull shizzle; also, no fun.

The issue, AGAIN, is not really what anyone's feelings, opinions, analysis or predictions of Dave Rice's ability and possible future here are, it's the domination of UNLV discussion on here, by the same FEW over a long period of time.

And contrary to what the hendo gangsta says, or cunty18 repeats, those that would give up on the team today and fire the coach, are in the MINORITY of the Rebel fan base. But you wouldn't know that here, because every UNLV topic contains the same anti-Rice crap. And it's been like this for too long, and has ruined this board for many a Rebel fan.

 

What point is everyone trying to convey? That they have the vision to understand that Rice hit his ceiling and it wasn't even with his own players? And so what if every UNLV thread contains the same crap? It's a message board and people are going to voice their opinion. That doesn't make them "circle jerkers" that makes them fans. There isn't one UNLV fan that posts here that wants the program to fail but I am a UNLV fan, a UNLV alum and a RAF donor so I would say I have a vested interest in how the program does. I don't have to be a Dave Rice fan to be any of those other 3. Do I want Rice to succeed? Of course because that means the program is winning but after 4 years of watching Rice it's painfully obvious to me he isn't going to succeed. Sure you can hold out hope that he all of a sudden gets it and I hope you are right but I don't see it. No light switch is going to all of a sudden go on. 

 

And I disagree with your last comment, there are more UNLV fans that post here now than when I joined 4 years ago. I'd venture to guess that many of the newer posters got sick of the "circle jerk" that takes place on the other board.

 

 

Are you not paying attention?

Why do you insist on making this about Rice Lovers and Rice Haters?

How about UNLV supporters who are making up their minds on the current state of affairs.

Had you been following events you would notice that there are more fans that are coming to the conclusion that either Rice needs to go now are that he's on severe notice of having to produce better results.

 

Why do you need to polarize the fan base into two sides on this forum?

Things will happen as they happen and we really don't have much input on when that will be.

 

Let me ask you the same question I asked Rebel18. How do you propose we accomplish Rice's replacement regarding contract buyout, raising monies for a new coach and what new coach that might be. There is much more to this then just saying "Fire Rice" and choosing sides. Unless you're coming up with the funding needed to accomplish his replacement or know about boosters that will perhaps you should realize that this is no longer simply keep him or fire him. His time has come to put up or get out. If you want it to happen today then perhaps you should tell us how we do that or wait for events to naturally reach that conclusion (boosters and admin) and move in that direction.

 

So because fans here don't have the inside track to how the boosters feel they shouldn't comment on wanting Rice canned? The bottom line is Rice needs to go if this team fails to make the NCAA Tournament. However the best coaching move the guy has made was last season when he power played UNLV into giving him a contract extension. Personally I would have let him walk and if his recruits left would it have really been as inconsistent as this season has been? Not all of his recruits were following him to USF. 

I can't sing and I can't dance but I can make romance - Macho Man Randy Savage

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My position on Dave Rice is "NEUTRAL" 

 

Why? For the following thoughts, both good and bad

 

1) No question Rice has been attracting top level and good talent to UNLV - POSITIVE

 

2) Excepting this season, Rice has won at UNLV, he is winning this season - 12-9 is still winning, but not winning at the pace commensurate with the caliber of the recruiting...........this roster is young, but for the caliber of recruit, I have seen much less than expected from both coaches and players thus far this season......due to the players just coming together, the youth and a coaching staff learning on the job - I will give this season a pass - NEUTRAL

 

3) Offensive scheme / philosophy of Rice has not been anything close to what was advertised upon his arrival at UNLV. We have seen no running game and little if any pressure defense......nothing of the mold of offense/defense that Rice played under or even coached under at UNLV & BYU - NEGATIVE

 

4) Add this in light of negatives of item 3, is how is Rice selling UNLV to recruits based on the pedestrian style of offense we have seen this far. Regardless of liking Rice or disliking Rice, you have to give him credit for selling top rated recruits that UNLV is the place for them despite a team averaging 65 ppg & struggling in many other areas..........this alone is an amazing accomplishment for Rice & the coaching staff - POSITIVE

 

5) Is it UNLV or is it Rice? Kruger didn't sniff the ranked recruits that Rice is signing to UNLV, yet Kruger had the longer resume' & track record........Rice is signing up kids and not getting much in the way of W-L results or showcasing their talent..........so which is it, the coach or the program?!?! - NEUTRAL

 

6) As for the coach or the program, then UNLV as a program should be able to be the draw for recruits as long as the program has a coach of a certain caliber - UNLV and the coach go hand in hand.........therefore, there is no reason for the UNLV Admin to get all in a panic if another school offers Dave Rice a tempting deal........because I'm under the opinion, (after seeing 4 years of Rice) that should a Central Florida offer him, let him go. I seriously doubt Rice will attract the level of recruit to another mid level program.....Rice needs UNLV more than UNL needs Rice is the bottom line. - POSITIVE

 

So after all that prattle thru flu & cold meds and delirium of fever - I remain NEUTRAL on Dave Rice thru this season into next season.

I'm pretty much at the same place. There isn't much in Rice that has earned my support other than his title as UNLV HC. If he leaves we will have yet another chance to find the right guy. If he stays and the heaven's open up to bless the program then I'm happy although very pessimistic of that happening.

The whole point about being able to support the program and not the coach is realistic until it comes to the point of wanting the team to lose so you can accelerate the departure of the coach. I support the players and program overall and will never want to see them lose.

The point of this thread was to try to build on the USU vs UNLV thread where an actual conversation started to break out. The first few pages of this thread was working towards that same conversation before it was hijacked by the other side of the same bad penny. RunRebs, back away from the keyboard, slowly.

I also believe that the die is cast and changes will inevitably be made. I also understand that we will never find another coach that will become the winningest coach in NCAA MBB basketball history as we were once fortunate enough to watch. That said this program deserves the commitment and support of the University and community to build an Elite program again.

I don't have any problem with any other persons opinion. That is what a sports forum is all about. I do have a problem when someone tries to consume every discussion in every way possible and look at any other opinion as a threat to their viewpoint. Add to that when others try to tell me what my opinion is. Many of us are tired of being shouted down in anything related to UNLV in the same way that many of you say that you were shouted down on Rebel-Net. It really gets tiring when everything needs to become adversarial, you know kind of like how 1 member here has made this thread adversarial. Enough or maybe too much said...

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Wow some passionate and lengthy responses. I'm going to need some afternoon expresso to read all of that...be back in a lil bit for that.

A first quick take is a big deal is being made about an extremely accurate descriptive word. Just truth. Disappointing digression, but expected. And this erroneous and unfounded assumption that I support a coach rather than simply the success of UNLV basketball. Again, dissapointing but expected.

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Who's to say we're not supporting the team?

 

Why don't you want Rice gone?

 

As how tired I am of these threads, I am more tired of Rice himself.

 

7 hours ago, ph90702 said:

If you’re such a UNLV fan, why did you go elsewhere?

 

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Who's to say we're not supporting the team?

 

Why don't you want Rice gone?

 

As how tired I am of these threads, I am more tired of Rice himself.

 

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I'm sure you have valid reasons for it which many agree with.

Other people have their own opinions with their own valid reasons which others agree with.

Do we all have to agree with you or them or anyone?

Let's just get back to being Rebel fans, after all we all want the same thing which is for the Rebels to reclaim their historic place at the top of college basketball.

It's OK for us to have our own ideas about how we get there.

 

Unless you're a member of the admin or can influence a member of the admin, are a big money booster or can influence a big money booster or own a major casino or big corporation that donates to UNLV it doesn't really matter what our opinions are on this web board.

 

Can't we all just get along?  ~Rodney King~

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wow reb baron might be the most obsessive person in this thread, and that's saying a lot..Get over yourself and your hurt feelings..If you don't like reading opinions contradictory to your own, then I'm sure there's plenty of nerds on rebel-net who would join you in your own "circle jerk".

 

 

no I most definitely meant reb baron

 

Does this mean I have to go to Rebel-Net and "Circle Jerk" with strangers?

Not sure I'm comfortable with that.

I'd much rather stay here and "Circle Jerk" with those I know.

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Using your reasoning we shouldn't listen to you either because UNLV hasn't been elite since 91'. What do you know about the path to elite level basketball? Seems you guys could use some help. Here's a tip #1. Get a new coach.

If a UNLV fan would have posted on this board 5-7 years ago we should/will/could get top 5 recruiting classes and top ten players (elite level recruiting) the most common response from a mwc rival would probably be contain something like, "UNLV hasn't been elite since '91."

You see, rival opinions matter least on the subject as far as I'm concerned.

Good luck though, Wyoming. You guys got good fans that deserve some march madness fun.

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You really are something else...I didn't try to take ownership of the effective use of language on this board, I've certainly dropped an f bomb occasionally myself, I simply asked you to not use one word when responding to ME...I can't think of anybody on here who would be the d-bag about it that you are, but if it means that much to you, go right ahead, as I said earlier, it really isn't that big of a deal. Class act, btw...

Your quote there is not my response to you. You asked for me to not use my accurate description while responding to you. I did not, out of respect; and I've altered the description. Another nice thing.

This is a digressive mountain out of a mole hill. Moving on....

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The irony of a Rebelnet poster calling anyone myopic is staggering and laughable. You need a reality check. Rice will never produce results. I hope he does, but based on FACTS I know he won't.

 

I'm going to be real with you.

 

Your personal investment in Rice is blinding you. You need to stop trolling your own fanbase. You call us divisive? You intentionally came over here to call people "cunts" and make yourself look like a clown. You are literally a caricature of the stereotypical "Rebelnet" or "AztecMesa" or "Broncocountry" poster everyone on the MWCBoard despises. Quit bytching and take some pointers from an OG like RebBaron, who understands that our hearts are in the same place- we all want UNLV to succeed. Even 18 wants that. You have no idea how incredibly stupid you look caping for your boy Rice when he has 9 losses halfway through conference season. For the love of God stop being so emotional about Rice and have some common, objective sense. That's what this board is for.

This is generally just all wrong, made up and exaggerated. I've still got hope for us though!

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That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I'm sure you have valid reasons for it which many agree with.

Other people have their own opinions with their own valid reasons which others agree with.

Do we all have to agree with you or them or anyone?

Let's just get back to being Rebel fans, after all we all want the same thing which is for the Rebels to reclaim their historic place at the top of college basketball.

It's OK for us to have our own ideas about how we get there.

 

Unless you're a member of the admin or can influence a member of the admin, are a big money booster or can influence a big money booster or own a major casino or big corporation that donates to UNLV it doesn't really matter what our opinions are on this web board.

 

Can't we all just get along?  ~Rodney King~

Maybe you could fight fire, with fire? Just copy and paste this post, or variations of it in every UNLV or basketball related thread on here...hmmm, I think this may eventually be effective!

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This is generally just all wrong, made up and exaggerated. I've still got hope for us though!

Everyone with here agrees with me pal. Evaluate yourself.

On 12/1/2016 at 12:26 PM, WyomingCoog said:

I own a vehicle likely worth more than everything you own combined and just flew first class (including a ticket for a 2 1/2 year old), round trip to Las Vegas and I'm not 35 yet. When you accomplish something outside of finishing a book, let me know. When's the last time you saw a 2 year old fly first class in their own seat? Don't tell me about elite.  

28 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

I’d happily compare IQ’s with you any day of the week.

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I'm pretty much at the same place. There isn't much in Rice that has earned my support other than his title as UNLV HC. If he leaves we will have yet another chance to find the right guy. If he stays and the heaven's open up to bless the program then I'm happy although very pessimistic of that happening.The whole point about being able to support the program and not the coach is realistic until it comes to the point of wanting the team to lose so you can accelerate the departure of the coach. I support the players and program overall and will never want to see them lose.The point of this thread was to try to build on the USU vs UNLV thread where an actual conversation started to break out. The first few pages of this thread was working towards that same conversation before it was hijacked by the other side of the same bad penny. RunRebs, back away from the keyboard, slowly.I also believe that the die is cast and changes will inevitably be made. I also understand that we will never find another coach that will become the winningest coach in NCAA MBB basketball history as we were once fortunate enough to watch. That said this program deserves the commitment and support of the University and community to build an Elite program again.I don't have any problem with any other persons opinion. That is what a sports forum is all about. I do have a problem when someone tries to consume every discussion in every way possible and look at any other opinion as a threat to their viewpoint. Add to that when others try to tell me what my opinion is. Many of us are tired of being shouted down in anything related to UNLV in the same way that many of you say that you were shouted down on Rebel-Net. It really gets tiring when everything needs to become adversarial, you know kind of like how 1 member here has made this thread adversarial. Enough or maybe too much said...

Great job quickdraw. Haha but don't overlook or dismiss my contribution to your cause. And don't worry about me backing away. I'm coming in hard and sudden and will leave just as fast. I have not the time or lasting interest to flap my virtual gums here, or anywhere for any extended length of time. My hope is that , going forward, there's more of what posts like 2001 just offered and less of the...other stuff.

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Everyone with here agrees with me pal. Evaluate yourself.

Oh, everyone? Well that's intimidating. Still though, it was all generally wrong, made up and/or exaggerated.

The initial point to the fans dominating the discussion here is... try not to dominate the discussion here. For better understanding of this, please refer to the many posts in this thread and the other by quickdraw and Baron. That is all on that.

The thing you are correct about? Do I believe Rice will bring the success we want? Well, after the gut punch that was January, it's obviously up in the air, but in the spirit of our great city and it's pretty good suburb lets do this: I'm gonna say there is enough talent and will be enough wins for Rice to coach here passed next year. You've made up your mind otherwise, and believe he does not have the ability and will be fired after this year or the next. Right? So, let's bet. A pair of tickets to the Duke game in '16. I'll watch Rice beat Duke, or you can watch your fancy new coach beat Duke.

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Oh, everyone? Well that's intimidating. Still though, it was all generally wrong, made up and/or exaggerated.

The initial point to the fans dominating the discussion here is... try not to dominate the discussion here. For better understanding of this, please refer to the many posts in this thread and the other by quickdraw and Baron. That is all on that.

The thing you are correct about? Do I believe Rice will bring the success we want? Well, after the gut punch that was January, it's obviously up in the air, but in the spirit of our great city and it's pretty good suburb lets do this: I'm gonna say there is enough talent and will be enough wins for Rice to coach here passed next year. You've made up your mind otherwise, and believe he does not have the ability and will be fired after this year or the next. Right? So, let's bet. A pair of tickets to the Duke game in '16. I'll watch Rice beat Duke, or you can watch your fancy new coach beat Duke.

 

I'm still waiting for you to tell us why all of a sudden the light switch is going to go on and Rice is going to lead the school to greatness. My evaluation of him took 3 seasons to determine he wasn't fit to be coach and I kept waiting for it to go on but 3 1/2 seasons in and I don't think it's going to. I hope I'm wring because Dave is a nice guy and he genuinely cares about UNLV and the city so it'd be great if it did but I'm done holding my breathe. 

 

And I don't care who the coach is, I want to beat Duke in 16

I can't sing and I can't dance but I can make romance - Macho Man Randy Savage

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Oh, everyone? Well that's intimidating. Still though, it was all generally wrong, made up and/or exaggerated.

The initial point to the fans dominating the discussion here is... try not to dominate the discussion here. For better understanding of this, please refer to the many posts in this thread and the other by quickdraw and Baron. That is all on that.

The thing you are correct about? Do I believe Rice will bring the success we want? Well, after the gut punch that was January, it's obviously up in the air, but in the spirit of our great city and it's pretty good suburb lets do this: I'm gonna say there is enough talent and will be enough wins for Rice to coach here passed next year. You've made up your mind otherwise, and believe he does not have the ability and will be fired after this year or the next. Right? So, let's bet. A pair of tickets to the Duke game in '16. I'll watch Rice beat Duke, or you can watch your fancy new coach beat Duke.

So you're saying Rice will coach here in '16? With our inept administration I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

I would bet on us not getting a single tourney win in the next two years (pretty safe), but I have a hard time betting against my own team.

Where in the Hendo are you from? If you answer correctly I might be aight with you.

On 12/1/2016 at 12:26 PM, WyomingCoog said:

I own a vehicle likely worth more than everything you own combined and just flew first class (including a ticket for a 2 1/2 year old), round trip to Las Vegas and I'm not 35 yet. When you accomplish something outside of finishing a book, let me know. When's the last time you saw a 2 year old fly first class in their own seat? Don't tell me about elite.  

28 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

I’d happily compare IQ’s with you any day of the week.

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Oh, everyone? Well that's intimidating. Still though, it was all generally wrong, made up and/or exaggerated.

The initial point to the fans dominating the discussion here is... try not to dominate the discussion here. For better understanding of this, please refer to the many posts in this thread and the other by quickdraw and Baron. That is all on that.

The thing you are correct about? Do I believe Rice will bring the success we want? Well, after the gut punch that was January, it's obviously up in the air, but in the spirit of our great city and it's pretty good suburb lets do this: I'm gonna say there is enough talent and will be enough wins for Rice to coach here passed next year. You've made up your mind otherwise, and believe he does not have the ability and will be fired after this year or the next. Right? So, let's bet. A pair of tickets to the Duke game in '16. I'll watch Rice beat Duke, or you can watch your fancy new coach beat Duke.

Just curious, who do you guys have coming back next year?  To me, that will be the biggest question.  Will next year finally be the year it is all on Rice?  They will all be his players and next year there will not be any excuses about youth I am assuming.   

 

G--McCaw/Poyser

G--Cook/Cornish

F--Morgan

F--Jones

C--Okonoboh

 

Reading Rebel fans posts, I am assuming Wood and Vaughn are gone to NBA/D-League?  That will still be a talented bunch.  I don't know if you guys will pick up anyone else recruiting wise either.  A guy like Zimm could make a huge impact.  That team had better finish well.  

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I'm still waiting for you to tell us why all of a sudden the light switch is going to go on and Rice is going to lead the school to greatness. My evaluation of him took 3 seasons to determine he wasn't fit to be coach and I kept waiting for it to go on but 3 1/2 seasons in and I don't think it's going to. I hope I'm wring because Dave is a nice guy and he genuinely cares about UNLV and the city so it'd be great if it did but I'm done holding my breathe. 

 

And I don't care who the coach is, I want to beat Duke in 16

My evaluation is ongoing. It's definitely to the point where wins will determine the outcome. Most of the concerns and criticisms expressed concerning Rices program have validity. Still, my belief is they have not outweighed the positives. Simple take is, I'm betting on the coaching being good enough for us to see this amazing young crop (along with the next) grow and succeed; but I'm well aware there are probabilities that play out otherwise.Time will tell.

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